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progressiveconnie Wrote: That Orwellian World of Rot has been ignoring a very important issue for years and it could result in a major war.
The Israeli Government has been trying to get the U.S. Government to attack Iran and now the U.S. Congress is doing its level best to destroy the treaty with Iran that Obama has been trying to put together, in other words, the U.S. Congress is doing the bidding of a foreign country and these activities are called treason.

Yes, Connie you are right again; this country makes sure more and more people around the world will hate us. Our love for wars and militarism is Nazi like and will be our demise in the future. Right now the Pentagon blocks all media info related to what they are all doing with their bombs and drones; you get only news if a drone per accident hit an sole American; then Obama apologizes. We are flattening whole cities right now in Iraq and Syria; no disclosure at all about how many thousands civilians we are killing; what is left becomes refuge's and a huge burden for the UN in the future and now. Sorry we are on the wrong track.

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2015-04-25 03:46:30 PM

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progressiveconnie Wrote: That Orwellian World of Rot has been ignoring a very important issue for years and it could result in a major war.
The Israeli Government has been trying to get the U.S. Government to attack Iran and now the U.S. Congress is doing its level best to destroy the treaty with Iran that Obama has been trying to put together, in other words, the U.S. Congress is doing the bidding of a foreign country and these activities are called treason.

Calling it treason is a step to far. Is it underhanded? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. Is it Unconstitutional? Maybe. Is it treason? No.

The Congressmen are not doing the bidding of a foreign country. The Congressmen are doing what they feel is best for themselves, their party, their constituents, and/or what they feel is best for the country. Just because the Congressmen's goals happen to align with Israel's does not mean they are doing the bidding of a foreign country.

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2015-04-25 04:30:37 PM

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Zach F Wrote: Calling it treason is a step to far. Is it underhanded? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. Is it Unconstitutional? Maybe. Is it treason? No.

I agree. Throwing words like treason and Un-American at people who we happen to disagree with muddies an already complex debate about our foreign policy and who, exactly, is in charge of it.

Zach F Wrote:The Congressmen are not doing the bidding of a foreign country. The Congressmen are doing what they feel is best for themselves, their party, their constituents, and/or what they feel is best for the country. Just because the Congressmen's goals happen to align with Israel's does not mean they are doing the bidding of a foreign country.

Here is where I disagree with you. These Congressmen (and women) are most definitely doing the bidding of a foreign country. Going around the Executive Branch's back and inviting a leader of a foreign county who is actively trying to sabotage a major international agreement to speak in front of a joint session of Congress is unprecedented in our nations history.

These Congresspeople are not thinking about what this very tough and internally backed agreement will do to reign in Iran's nuclear program and put it under strict international inspections; they are thinking what Netanyahu and Sheldon Adelson tell them to think, which is:

* No compromise under any circumstances.
* It's my way or the highway.
* War is always the answer.

If that's not doing the bidding of a foreign country then I don't know what is.

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2015-04-25 04:43:27 PM

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jaredsxtn Wrote:

These Congresspeople are not thinking about what this very tough and internally backed agreement will do to reign in Iran's nuclear program and put it under strict international inspections; they are thinking what Netanyahu tells them to think, which is 'no compromise under any circumstances.' What else can you call it other than doing the bidding of a foreign country?

I like to think that the Congressmen are acting in what they feel are in the best interests for this country or their constituents unless solid proof is provided that suggests otherwise. Claiming that congressmen are working for another country is a huge accusation and shouldn't be thrown around lightly.

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Zach F Wrote: I like to think that the Congressmen are acting in what they feel are in the best interests for this country or their constituents unless solid proof is provided that suggests otherwise. Claiming that congressmen are working for another country is a huge accusation and shouldn't be thrown around lightly.

What else would you call going behind the President's back to sabotage a major international agreement than doing the bidding of a foreign country? I never said they were working for another country; I said they were doing the bidding of another country's leader, and to a much greater extent, a foreign country's lobby.

Regardless, the Supreme Court made it nearly impossible to ever be able to prove corruption anyway. Sheldon Adelson can 'donate' billions of dollars to buy off politicians, but unless there is an explicit quid pro quo that is uncovered then we will never know if his billions of dollars actually make certain politicians vote exactly as he would like them to or if it's just one giant coincidence.

And it's quite clear they are doing the bidding of a foreign country to the detriment of the rest of the world by working to sabotage this agreement. On one side stands Congressional Republicans and a handful of hawkish Democrats; on the other side stands the entire international community who actually wants to solve this problem diplomatically.

This is the same international community who warned us what would happen if we went into Iraq and overthrew their government. Instead of listening to them last time, we listened to Netanyahu who convinced us to invade Iraq. War is always his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option. I will fight with everything I have to prevent him from succeeding in convincing our leaders to fight another war for him in Iran.

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jaredsxtn Wrote:
Zach F Wrote: I like to think that the Congressmen are acting in what they feel are in the best interests for this country or their constituents unless solid proof is provided that suggests otherwise. Claiming that congressmen are working for another country is a huge accusation and shouldn't be thrown around lightly.
What else would you call going behind the President's back to sabotage a major international agreement than doing the bidding of a foreign country? I never said they were working for another country; I said they were doing the bidding of another country's leader.

And it's quite clear they are doing the bidding of a foreign country to the detriment of the rest of the world by working to sabotage this agreement. On one side stands Congressional Republicans and a handful of hawkish Democrats; on the other side stands the entire international community who actually wants to solve this problem diplomatically.

This is the same international community who warned us what would happen if we went into Iraq and overthrew their government. Instead of listening to them last time, we listened to Netanyahu who convinced us to invade Iraq. War is always his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option. I will fight with everything I have to prevent him from succeeding in convincing our leaders to fight another war for him in Iran.

Jared; I agree 100% with you; soorry Zack is way too mellow on this subject.

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Dutch Wrote: Jared; I agree 100% with you; soorry Zack is way too mellow on this subject.

I wouldn't call someone 'mellow' or any other word for having a different perspective. I would call it a couple of informed people who look at a complex issue in different ways. It's not like he's calling for us to start a war with Iran. There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate.

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And Chuck Schumer isn't owned 100% by the Israli lobby! I can think of a handful of Senators and Congressmen, at best, who are truly interested in doing their job and what's best for the whole country at large, the rest are owned 100% by their financial backers and they are nothing but front men for the wealthy. We have the best lawmakers money can buy!

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jaredsxtn Wrote:
Dutch Wrote: Jared; I agree 100% with you; soorry Zack is way too mellow on this subject.
I wouldn't call someone 'mellow' or any other word for having a different perspective. I would call it a couple of informed people who look at a complex issue in different ways. It's not like he's calling for us to start a war with Iran. There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate.

Just look at what PR wrote; how do you want a "healthy debate" if that is the case; thus I keep saying I fully agree with you, but not with "mellow" Zach.

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pr Wrote: And Chuck Schumer isn't owned 100% by the Israli lobby! I can think of a handful of Senators and Congressmen, at best, who are truly interested in doing their job and what's best for the whole country at large, the rest are owned 100% by their financial backers and they are nothing but front men for the wealthy. We have the best lawmakers money can buy!

I'd suggest we have the lawmakers we vote for. If more people didn't sit on their hands every two years then maybe we could finally get some better representation. If the over sixty percent of eligible voters continue to think its more important to watch their reality television show instead of exercising their right to vote then we will keep getting the same politicians we have now.

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Obeying a foreign country? No.

making an erroneous assumption that israel's interests and our's are aligned? Yes.

israel needs to stfu. They complicate the situation just by idiots like bibi opening their mouths. Of course complicating situations means that Israel won't actually gave to resolve anything. They can keep their military/industrial satisfied and keep the agitprop machine churning all while doing nothing to resolve situations while claiming the opposite. Now we must also admit that the Arab world and Iran are equally guilty of failing to deal with the mess that they helped create. Either way our so-called leaders need to step back from the "Israel: right or wrong!" narrative. It does not serve our needs.

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I'll add my two bits worth to the discussion. The members of Congress, mostly Republicans and some Democrats, are not doing the bidding of Israel the country but rather are following the biblical apocalyptic prophecy regarding the rapture and the second coming of Christ. Those Christian evangelical --fundamentalists that believe in this stuff need to preserve the "land of Israel" but really don't give a crap about the Jewish people otherwise. They are putting their religious beliefs above country. Who dares argue with that?

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Schmidt Wrote: I'll add my two bits worth to the discussion. The members of Congress, mostly Republicans and some Democrats, are not doing the bidding of Israel the country but rather are following the biblical apocalyptic prophecy regarding the rapture and the second coming of Christ. Those Christian evangelical --fundamentalists that believe in this stuff need to preserve the "land of Israel" but really don't give a crap about the Jewish people otherwise. They are putting their religious beliefs above country. Who dares argue with that?

Great point.

Christian fundamentalists scare the hell out of me. Anyone who wants to usher in the end of days so Jesus can come down and bring them all up to heaven should hold no place in our government.

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