progressiveconnie Wrote: That Orwellian World of Rot has been ignoring a very important issue for years and it could result in a major war.The Israeli Government has been trying to get the U.S. Government to attack Iran and now the U.S. Congress is doing its level best to destroy the treaty with Iran that Obama has been trying to put together, in other words, the U.S. Congress is doing the bidding of a foreign country and these activities are called treason.
Zach F Wrote: Calling it treason is a step to far. Is it underhanded? Yes. Is it wrong? Yes. Is it Unconstitutional? Maybe. Is it treason? No.
Zach F Wrote:The Congressmen are not doing the bidding of a foreign country. The Congressmen are doing what they feel is best for themselves, their party, their constituents, and/or what they feel is best for the country. Just because the Congressmen's goals happen to align with Israel's does not mean they are doing the bidding of a foreign country.
jaredsxtn Wrote:These Congresspeople are not thinking about what this very tough and internally backed agreement will do to reign in Iran's nuclear program and put it under strict international inspections; they are thinking what Netanyahu tells them to think, which is 'no compromise under any circumstances.' What else can you call it other than doing the bidding of a foreign country?
Zach F Wrote: I like to think that the Congressmen are acting in what they feel are in the best interests for this country or their constituents unless solid proof is provided that suggests otherwise. Claiming that congressmen are working for another country is a huge accusation and shouldn't be thrown around lightly.
jaredsxtn Wrote:Zach F Wrote: I like to think that the Congressmen are acting in what they feel are in the best interests for this country or their constituents unless solid proof is provided that suggests otherwise. Claiming that congressmen are working for another country is a huge accusation and shouldn't be thrown around lightly. What else would you call going behind the President's back to sabotage a major international agreement than doing the bidding of a foreign country? I never said they were working for another country; I said they were doing the bidding of another country's leader.And it's quite clear they are doing the bidding of a foreign country to the detriment of the rest of the world by working to sabotage this agreement. On one side stands Congressional Republicans and a handful of hawkish Democrats; on the other side stands the entire international community who actually wants to solve this problem diplomatically.This is the same international community who warned us what would happen if we went into Iraq and overthrew their government. Instead of listening to them last time, we listened to Netanyahu who convinced us to invade Iraq. War is always his 1st, 2nd, and 3rd option. I will fight with everything I have to prevent him from succeeding in convincing our leaders to fight another war for him in Iran.
Dutch Wrote: Jared; I agree 100% with you; soorry Zack is way too mellow on this subject.
jaredsxtn Wrote:Dutch Wrote: Jared; I agree 100% with you; soorry Zack is way too mellow on this subject. I wouldn't call someone 'mellow' or any other word for having a different perspective. I would call it a couple of informed people who look at a complex issue in different ways. It's not like he's calling for us to start a war with Iran. There's nothing wrong with a healthy debate.
pr Wrote: And Chuck Schumer isn't owned 100% by the Israli lobby! I can think of a handful of Senators and Congressmen, at best, who are truly interested in doing their job and what's best for the whole country at large, the rest are owned 100% by their financial backers and they are nothing but front men for the wealthy. We have the best lawmakers money can buy!
Schmidt Wrote: I'll add my two bits worth to the discussion. The members of Congress, mostly Republicans and some Democrats, are not doing the bidding of Israel the country but rather are following the biblical apocalyptic prophecy regarding the rapture and the second coming of Christ. Those Christian evangelical --fundamentalists that believe in this stuff need to preserve the "land of Israel" but really don't give a crap about the Jewish people otherwise. They are putting their religious beliefs above country. Who dares argue with that?
jaredsxtn Wrote:Schmidt Wrote: I'll add my two bits worth to the discussion. The members of Congress, mostly Republicans and some Democrats, are not doing the bidding of Israel the country but rather are following the biblical apocalyptic prophecy regarding the rapture and the second coming of Christ. Those Christian evangelical --fundamentalists that believe in this stuff need to preserve the "land of Israel" but really don't give a crap about the Jewish people otherwise. They are putting their religious beliefs above country. Who dares argue with that? Great point.Christian fundamentalists scare the hell out of me. Anyone who wants to usher in the end of days so Jesus can come down and bring them all up to heaven should hold no place in our government.