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Clinton versus the NRA

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  • Independent
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    As soon as Hillary was ready to announce her wish to run; the first total idiot who attacked her was the head of the NRA. Personally I don't see what "guns" she is going to use. The NRA followers are likely to vote Republican if you believe this guy; "she's going to take your guns away" The churches may use the same slogan: "she's going to take your "bibles" away" and have "gay's" run the country. Wow, Sorry to say voting here is "rigged" certain groups like the NRA and the "churches" will make sure that their followers vote as they say. In an other thread, I mentioned the "Kentucky" voter reasons; no one dared to admit that the churches determine there who to vote for; not common sense or research. I guess people here are very gullible and run with the "herd" or were "army" trained; to follow up orders. Yes Sir!! I've never seen such an insecure/naive/scared/uneducated population in my life as here. That is the reason we always end up with the Government we deserve.
  • Democrat
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    What do you care what the NRA says or does , they are merely another lobby group just as many others are,I am a NRA member ( Surprise!!) and I am not uneducated,nor gullible, my church has never told me to vote for anyone , any other unbased facts you care to discuss.
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/78196.aspx">johnnycee[/url] Wrote: What do you care what the NRA says or does , they are merely another lobby group just as many others are,I am a NRA member ( Surprise!!) and I am not uneducated,nor gullible, my church has never told me to vote for anyone , any other unbased facts you care to discuss.



    NRA member? No, not a surprise.
    Not gullible? That's a very debatable subject.
  • Democrat
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    it's debatable only if you don't believe me, I chose to not believe as you do that is not debatable as is my being gullible also.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:
    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/78196.aspx">johnnycee[/url] Wrote: What do you care what the NRA says or does , they are merely another lobby group just as many others are,I am a NRA member ( Surprise!!) and I am not uneducated,nor gullible, my church has never told me to vote for anyone , any other unbased facts you care to discuss.



    NRA member? No, not a surprise.
    Not gullible? That's a very debatable subject.
    J.C. Why are you an NRA member? scared of something? They are the most "sick" bunch in the US. Just saw onTV how sick they are. They are shooting condors in CA; some nuthead said don't use leadtipped bullets because the lead pieces go all through the body, use copper or hardened steel one's instead if you want to eat it. Wow, promoting to shoot protected birds with the approval of the NRA. Sorry J.C. guns etc. are not needed to boost your ego; it shows again a Republican attitude; Inferiority complex that is what they call that..
  • Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    pr Wrote:
    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/78196.aspx">johnnycee[/url] Wrote: What do you care what the NRA says or does , they are merely another lobby group just as many others are,I am a NRA member ( Surprise!!) and I am not uneducated,nor gullible, my church has never told me to vote for anyone , any other unbased facts you care to discuss.



    NRA member? No, not a surprise.
    Not gullible? That's a very debatable subject.
    J.C. Why are you an NRA member? scared of something? They are the most "sick" bunch in the US. Just saw onTV how sick they are. They are shooting condors in CA; some nuthead said don't use leadtipped bullets because the lead pieces go all through the body, use copper or hardened steel one's instead if you want to eat it. Wow, promoting to shoot protected birds with the approval of the NRA. Sorry J.C. guns etc. are not needed to boost your ego; it shows again a Republican attitude; Inferiority complex that is what they call that..
    My original reason for joining the NRA was it's Eddie Eagle program and the many shooting competitions that are listed in the News letter/ book, then I became interested in ballistics in general and the History of certain fire arms and their inception in particular,. I have been a member for over 40 years now and don't regret a moment of it, and again I am not a republican although it must make you feel good saying that but whatever floats your boat, I guess. There is story abet an Urban legend type of story that goes when a Trooper stopped an elderly women who seemed to be driving a bit erratic and requested her paper work which was in the glove compartment, a .357 Mangum fell out, when the trooper now his senses heightened asks if its loaded she says yes as is the Glock 17 under the seat as well as the .38 in her purse, the trooper than asked what are you so afraid of, he reply was "Not a Damn Thing, does that answer your question about fearful of carrying a firearm. As I often said the nature of our society is of a predatory nature, and seniors are considered prey for these predators, as well as the weak and infirmed, so I guess it's better to be tried by 12 rather than be carried by six.
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    why do some countries with strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    why do some countries with less strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    look to answer those two questions.
  • Democrat
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    lonely bird Wrote: why do some countries with strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    why do some countries with less strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    look to answer those two questions.
    Stats are so overrated , one has to see how the stats were compiled and was the outcome geared to the survey, some countries have lower gun crimes but an increase in other crimes including crimes of violence, some stats use a per capita based denominator while others do not, in the case of police shootings, the stats are all over the place, in one particular poll only 17 States participated in it and many formed their conclusions on that stat, knowing that 37 states did not participate in the study,. and some of those who did participate were on a limited to know basis only. So right from the start those stats were skewed. It is so difficult to compare a country by country survey about gun crimes because of the myriad of different cultures, laws, government and population, plus the economics of those countries should also be taken into account..
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: why do some countries with strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    why do some countries with less strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    look to answer those two questions.
    Stats are so overrated , one has to see how the stats were compiled and was the outcome geared to the survey, some countries have lower gun crimes but an increase in other crimes including crimes of violence, some stats use a per capita based denominator while others do not, in the case of police shootings, the stats are all over the place, in one particular poll only 17 States participated in it and many formed their conclusions on that stat, knowing that 37 states did not participate in the study,. and some of those who did participate were on a limited to know basis only. So right from the start those stats were skewed. It is so difficult to compare a country by country survey about gun crimes because of the myriad of different cultures, laws, government and population, plus the economics of those countries should also be taken into account..
    J.C. we discussed this subject many times; it happens to be a fact that "guns kill people" the most in the good old USA. Every night here in Ft.Myers and Miami there is a "gun" killing. Statistics are useless because the "cops" make sure the crime rate "on paper" is below the year before otherwise they don't get promotion or a medal made in China. No the NRA I consider as a criminal institute by promoting even more guns.Give some to 9 year old kids etc. Why not?
  • Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote:
    lonely bird Wrote: why do some countries with strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    why do some countries with less strict gun control have fewer gun crimes?

    look to answer those two questions.
    Stats are so overrated , one has to see how the stats were compiled and was the outcome geared to the survey, some countries have lower gun crimes but an increase in other crimes including crimes of violence, some stats use a per capita based denominator while others do not, in the case of police shootings, the stats are all over the place, in one particular poll only 17 States participated in it and many formed their conclusions on that stat, knowing that 37 states did not participate in the study,. and some of those who did participate were on a limited to know basis only. So right from the start those stats were skewed. It is so difficult to compare a country by country survey about gun crimes because of the myriad of different cultures, laws, government and population, plus the economics of those countries should also be taken into account..
    J.C. we discussed this subject many times; it happens to be a fact that "guns kill people" the most in the good old USA. Every night here in Ft.Myers and Miami there is a "gun" killing. Statistics are useless because the "cops" make sure the crime rate "on paper" is below the year before otherwise they don't get promotion or a medal made in China. No the NRA I consider as a criminal institute by promoting even more guns.Give some to 9 year old kids etc. Why not?
    That is your strong opinion and I will defend your right to have a strong opinion ,even if it means defending it with a gun. Also a gun has never killed anyone unless someone picks it up and uses it, Should I use the tired old clich├ęs of eating utensils causing obesity, whisky sitting on a shelf causes everyone in the room to become drunk, and of course ,the pen if left alone would written our Constitution, so it is not a fact that guns kill without human use.
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    J.C. just a question; why are there more guns than people in this country?

    1) they are affraid of their own shadow
    2) they don't trust anyone, including themselves
    3) if it is only for hunting; then not one animal will be left
    4) Is it an inferiority complex?
    5) they want power and authority and feel superior over others
    6) they learned shooting in the army and like to kill something; they are used to it.
    7) it keeps the population in check ( every night plenty of killings)
    8) It is a great tool to get it your way
    9) If you have one then you want to use it ( kill your wife/kid or rob a gasstation)
    10) If you get killed yourself then your 9 year old daughter will love to have it in order to kill her little brother..
    11) Perhaps fewer brains here than in other countries which got strict gun control
    12) Americans are more in love with their guns than their wifes; (polish and oil it and pat it) that's why they leave it on the kitchen counter with the safety off, so the whole family can use and enjoy it; make sure it has the hard nose bullets in it; kills so much better.
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    Dutch Wrote: J.C. just a question; why are there more guns than people in this country?

    1) they are affraid of their own shadow
    2) they don't trust anyone, including themselves
    3) if it is only for hunting; then not one animal will be left
    4) Is it an inferiority complex?
    5) they want power and authority and feel superior over others
    6) they learned shooting in the army and like to kill something; they are used to it.
    7) it keeps the population in check ( every night plenty of killings)
    8) It is a great tool to get it your way
    9) If you have one then you want to use it ( kill your wife/kid or rob a gasstation)
    10) If you get killed yourself then your 9 year old daughter will love to have it in order to kill her little brother..
    11) Perhaps fewer brains here than in other countries which got strict gun control
    12) Americans are more in love with their guns than their wifes; (polish and oil it and pat it) that's why they leave it on the kitchen counter with the safety off, so the whole family can use and enjoy it; make sure it has the hard nose bullets in it; kills so much better.
    if there are 12 answers to one question ,perhaps you have asked the wrong question, but then again these are your opinions are they not , which means you are not seeking an answer but proof for your own convictions.
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    No, J.C. I don't have to convince myself; but people like you who have the mentality as described above. NRA members like you are actually the "drivers" to promote gun ownership and therefore part of the blame for all the killings here. More killings here than all the soldiers lost in our also loosing wars over 10 years. Be proud of it!! Go pat your guns!!!
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    one recalls one of heinlein's more lucid comments. Despite his increased libertarianism he made this comment in "time enough for love": if carrying a gun makes you feel 3 meters tall and covered with hair better let someone else do the shooting.
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    Dutch Wrote: J.C. just a question; why are there more guns than people in this country?

    1) they are affraid of their own shadow
    2) they don't trust anyone, including themselves
    3) if it is only for hunting; then not one animal will be left
    4) Is it an inferiority complex?
    5) they want power and authority and feel superior over others
    6) they learned shooting in the army and like to kill something; they are used to it.
    7) it keeps the population in check ( every night plenty of killings)
    8) It is a great tool to get it your way
    9) If you have one then you want to use it ( kill your wife/kid or rob a gasstation)
    10) If you get killed yourself then your 9 year old daughter will love to have it in order to kill her little brother..
    11) Perhaps fewer brains here than in other countries which got strict gun control
    12) Americans are more in love with their guns than their wifes; (polish and oil it and pat it) that's why they leave it on the kitchen counter with the safety off, so the whole family can use and enjoy it; make sure it has the hard nose bullets in it; kills so much better.
    My answers to your ludicrous questions;
    # 1 I do not fear the shadows either my own or those perceived by others
    # 2 I trust myself fully as well as many others.
    #3 I do not hunt but I have mine for self defense and target shooting.
    # 4 No
    #5 wrong conclusion on your part, the only power and authority needed is when I need to protect myself or my family
    # 6 I learned to shoot when I was about 9 or 10, while staying at my Uncles in the Cumberland mountains one summer
    #7 along with many other forms of violence such as car accidents, sickness which also contributes to keeping the population down
    # 8 don't understand the question
    #9 again wrong conclusion, more firearms are used for target shootings and self defense than are used for criminal murders.
    # 10 now that is a wacko conclusion
    #11 Way off the mark on this one also, too many varibles to make a true comparison
    #12 see answer #10.