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NYT: Obama and the Iran Doctrine

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    TJ Wrote:

    Nothing happens if a country develops one. The only real danger is if they use one or lose control and a bomb goes rogue and ends up in the wrong hands and those persons use it.

    The fall out of a bomb sent from Iran to Palestine (Errrrrr - Israel) is the horrible effects it would have down wind. It could or would spread into all surrounding countries. It would contaminate the Med causing major loses in food supplies. Egypt would take a hard hit being so close. Southern Italy, Greece, France, Spain, and Northern Africa would get nasty contamination and fall out. Jordan, Kuwait, Lebanon, Turkey, Iraq and Syria would probably get much nasty fall out. The countries to the east of Italy would get hit hard. A very bad day indeed.

    Worst case scenario. Why cannot that happen here? Why is the assumption that anyone not Anglo-American must have crappy security? I don't mean you, TJ. I mean in general. Pakistan or NK are more likely to have crappy security. Pakistan's intelligence apparatus is riddled with radical sympathizers.

    Jonathan Schell's " the seventh decade" lays out the problem including reasons why countries want nukes.

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    LB,

    It's Pakistan that I worry the most about. They seem quite likely to become unstable. They want theirs because they hate India and India has them. An action worthy on a Nobel peace prize would be if anyone could convince both Pakistan and India to reduce their arsenal to two bombs each. Much more than either need but better than a dozen or two dozen. At the same time, the US and Russia should reduce their bombs to 20. Way more than is needed but far better than the current stock piles. In addition, the cost of maintaining whatever we have (1,000 - 3,000 is my guess) would be drastically reduced. With 95% less the likelihood of an accident is reduced as well.

    With the religious divide......I would think that if Iran had one or more, Saudi Arabia would want some as well because they are on opposite sides.

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    jaredsxtn Wrote:

    The truth of the matter is that only one country has ever used a nuclear weapon against another country.

    It just all seems a bit hypocritical for America to pick and choose who can or can't have nuclear energy/weapons. Pakistan? Sure, why not? North Korea? Sure, why not? Iran? HELL NO!

    Pakistan is responsible for the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, but we're not bombing them. North Korea threatens us with annihilation on a daily basis, but we're not bombing them. Iran hasn't done a damn thing to us other than have some students take over the American Embassy in 1979. It's been 36 years. It's time for us to get over it.

    If, and this is a big if, Iran does decide to build a nuclear weapon then what does anyone honestly think will happen? They aren't stupid and they know that they would risk total annihilation if they were dumb enough to use it. So if they ever decided to build the bomb it would be for leverage and not because they were actually intent on using one.

    It's time for us to pull up our big boy pants and accept that Iran already has a nuclear program. No amount of bombs and missiles will take that away because they will just build it back up again after the bombings stop. And if we were stupid enough to bomb them then we sure as hell better be ready for a regional, and possibly world, war that would kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people. Would all those deaths be worth it just to set their nuclear program back a few years and guarantee that they actually will develop a bomb?

    So the real question is whether or not America will fall into the trap that Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to set up for us. We should not be used as his pawns who will bomb any country he tells us to. We should use our unique position of being a superpower to solve things peacefully for once.

    Jared, yes you paint the right picture; again the culprit is the US we started the whole nuke mess; now we try with a "bully" tactic to reign in the spread; the same as all our foreign policies. We make the same mistake over and over again; as I said many times neither the US or someone else can run the whole world and have everyone "marching" the way we want; wake up America; ask Napoleon and Hitler how that worked.
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    Hold on Mr. Dutchman

    Somebody on the block always has the biggest gun. I'd rather it be me.. Nuclear bombs were going to eventually be created...by someone.....we just did it first.

    We also used them first......But, in saying that....we brought the world The Kardashians, TV Dinners, Craft beer, and the Hill Billy Olypmics. Nuclear weapons made that possible.

    So have seat, crack open a beer.....tonights Kardashian episode: KIM gets a brazillian wax....ENJOY

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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:

    Hold on Mr. Dutchman

    Somebody on the block always has the biggest gun. I'd rather it be me.. Nuclear bombs were going to eventually be created...by someone.....we just did it first.

    We also used them first......But, in saying that....we brought the world The Kardashians, TV Dinners, Craft beer, and the Hill Billy Olypmics. Nuclear weapons made that possible.

    So have seat, crack open a beer.....tonights Kardashian episode: KIM gets a brazillian wax....ENJOY

    L.A. I guess you are mistaken; I was talking about due to our fault every nation as T.J. said has them now. So sorry, we did have the "biggest" gun but gave it away to others like Israel etc.; don't forget either that ballistic missiles and nukes where not "created" by Americans but mostly Germans and other foreigners chartered by the US.
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    I'm for total anarchy. Let's just move on to extinction and give the bunny rabbits a shot at running things
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    The Iran nuclear deal has finally been agreed. Secretary Kerry, President Obama and his team will now begin the arduous process over the next 60 days of informing Congress of the specific terms of the deal. Certainly most Republicans and some Democrats have spoken out against the deal, aligning themselves with Prime Minister Netanyahu rather than the Obama administration. They are the obedient "Israel Firsters". Of course with the first Republican debate to kick off in August you can expect bellicose rhetoric about how bad this deal is...but never mentioning what "no deal" entails.

    President Obama has vowed to veto any Congressional attempt to scuttle the deal. Congress would need 2/3rds of their members to override the Obama veto. If that happens it would be a bad day for America and the rest of the world.

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The Iran nuclear deal has finally been agreed. Secretary Kerry, President Obama and his team will now begin the arduous process over the next 60 days of informing Congress of the specific terms of the deal. Certainly most Republicans and some Democrats have spoken out against the deal, aligning themselves with Prime Minister Netanyahu rather than the Obama administration. They are the obedient "Israel Firsters". Of course with the first Republican debate to kick off in August you can expect bellicose rhetoric about how bad this deal is...but never mentioning what "no deal" entails.

    President Obama has vowed to veto any Congressional attempt to scuttle the deal. Congress would need 2/3rds of their members to override the Obama veto. If that happens it would be a bad day for America and the rest of the world.

    From the early first snippets of what this deals entails is the 14 days notice of any "snap inspection" of Iran's nuclear facilities, I have a real problem with that as will many Congressmen and Senators.
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    The Iran nuclear deal has finally been agreed. Secretary Kerry, President Obama and his team will now begin the arduous process over the next 60 days of informing Congress of the specific terms of the deal. Certainly most Republicans and some Democrats have spoken out against the deal, aligning themselves with Prime Minister Netanyahu rather than the Obama administration. They are the obedient "Israel Firsters". Of course with the first Republican debate to kick off in August you can expect bellicose rhetoric about how bad this deal is...but never mentioning what "no deal" entails.

    President Obama has vowed to veto any Congressional attempt to scuttle the deal. Congress would need 2/3rds of their members to override the Obama veto. If that happens it would be a bad day for America and the rest of the world.

    This is a historic day. President Obama has shown America can work with the major world powers to come to diplomatic solutions to some of the most complex issues of our day.

    If Congress somehow manages to scuttle this deal by overriding President Obama's veto then America will be alone on the world stage. The other world powers who signed on to this deal will still abide by it and ease their sanctions against Iran. They will move forward and America will stay stuck in the past and have a much weaker hand in dealing with other major world issues because we have proven that we aren't willing to work with our international partners.

    Is that what Republicans want? For America to be left behind just because they don't like the current President? That is so short sighted and unpatriotic.

    I just ask the Republicans who have already come out against this deal after reading a Fox News article about it this one question--if not this deal then what? The rest of the world is moving forward with this deal. Do you honestly think that we would somehow gain the upper hand by going it alone with no allies standing by our side?

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    If you haven't had the chance to watch the President's statement on this deal then I highly encourage you to. He refutes Republican talking points one by one and explains this deal better than any pundit ever will be able to.

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    Again I have a hard time with the concept of a 2 week notice for the IAEC to inspect, that was an ABC news report from this morning, also as the President said , this Accord is based not on trust but on verify, and a two notice prior to any inspection is hardly a form of verification let alone a "snap Inspection".
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    I agree with you JC. I think the pressure should be harder to insist that no hiding the truth is going on.
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    The lengthy document, which few people have yet seen, will be scrutinized by opponents for any kind of "loose end" that will be blown out of proportion with the intent of scuttling the agreement. Prime Minister Netanyahu, the most outspoken critic, has not seen the document enough to comment. Those who are obliged to criticize the deal, either out of loyalty to their tribe or out of their hate for our African American President, do so out of total ignorance.

    This is a BIG F**KIN DEAL! It's good for America and the world. I, for one, trust the Iranians to comply.

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    Schmidt, I wish I had your convictions as far as trusting the Iranians go, who up to just 4 days age were chanting "Death to America."
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    TJ Wrote: I agree with you JC. I think the pressure should be harder to insist that no hiding the truth is going on.

    The pressure is astronomically harder. Iran must greatly downsize their current stockpile and then accept unfettered nuclear inspections at all of their sites; they must convert their most secretive and "bunker buster proof" facility to something else and also accept inspections there; and they will get caught if they ever decide to cheat.

    Here's the dirty little secret the Republicans won't admit--they want war with Iran. The sanctions regime is now over. If the US walks away then the international community will go into disarray and Iran will, without any doubt, build a nuclear bomb. Then war with Iran is inevitable, but this time they will have a nuclear weapon at their disposal.

    Tony, I beg of you, please don't fall into their trap. This is a highly technical deal that the six major world powers spent years negotiating. There isn't going to be a better deal. This is it. The countries have signed on the dotted line. The negotiations are over. Secretary Kerry and his negotiating partners in the P5 + 1 are heading home.

    The alternative to this deal is war with Iran with the United States being used as Israel's pawns. I am not willing to shed American blood to do Netanyahu's bidding.