NYT: Obama and the Iran Doctrine
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Dutch -- I agree that America needs to have a much tougher stance against Israel. But right now Republicans (and a few Democrats) are threatening to scuttle the UN Security council (5 plus 1) deal with Iran because they are totally in bed with Netanyahu. Most Americans support Israel, and if Obama was to announce tougher actions against Israel, it would be a gift to the Republican propagandists.
Despite everything that Obama has done to support Israel, it is never enough. Republicans want him to crawl with them to kiss Netanyahu's feet, and Obama won't do that. Republicans are always trying to put impossible demands on Obama, and asking Iran to recognize Israel as a part of the deal is a non-starter. They know that, but it makes for good political theater in the USA...Florida to be exact. Maybe Iran, as a apart of the deal, should ask the USA to apologize for overthrowing their democratically elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953 and for their support for the Shah of Iran and his 22 year rein of terror by his brutal SAVAK secret police force that was set up with the help of the CIA and Israeli Mossad agents, who helped train the SAVAK agents in the arts of interrogation, surveillance and torture. Yeah that Mossad.
Oh and better yet as a condition of the deal, Iran should ask that Israel give up its vast arsenal of nuclear bombs for a nuclear free Middle East.
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Schmidt Wrote: Dutch -- I agree that America needs to have a much tougher stance against Israel. But right now Republicans (and a few Democrats) are threatening to scuttle the UN Security council (5 plus 1) deal with Iran because they are totally in bed with Netanyahu. Most Americans support Israel, and if Obama was to announce tougher actions against Israel, it would be a gift to the Republican propagandists.
Despite everything that Obama has done to support Israel, it is never enough. Republicans want him to crawl with them to kiss Netanyahu's feet, and Obama won't do that. Republicans are always trying to put impossible demands on Obama, and asking Iran to recognize Israel as a part of the deal is a non-starter. They know that, but it makes for good political theater in the USA...Florida to be exact. Maybe Iran, as a apart of the deal, should ask the USA to apologize for overthrowing their democratically elected Prime Minister Mossadegh in 1953 and for their support for the Shah of Iran and his 22 year rein of terror by his brutal SAVAK secret police force that was set up with the help of the CIA and Israeli Mossad agents, who helped train the SAVAK agents in the arts of interrogation, surveillance and torture. Yeah that Mossad.
Oh and better yet as a condition of the deal, Iran should ask that Israel give up its vast arsenal of nuclear bombs for a nuclear free Middle East. Schmidt yes you got it right; guess who were the stupid one's which gave Israel nuke's? By doing this Israel becomes an arrogant nation; they can do whatever they like; no one can touch us attitude; just flatten the whole of Gaza, no one blinks an eye and is of course supported by the religious zealots in this country. Our political leaders probably never heard of a " balanced" approach between all parties. It is like feeding one alligator; then the other gets upset and attacks you.
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The June 30th deadline for completing the Iranian nuclear negotiations has passed, but the negotiators have extended the deadline one week to July 7th McClatchy, June 30, 2015: Iran nuclear negotiators extend talks 1 week as deadline passes There is so much distrust on both sides. The United Against a Nuclear Iran (UANI) is running TV ads every day against the deal. It's nothing more than fear mongering. Like all these agreements under negotiation...what is the alternative? Endless sanctions against Iran? We will see how well that is working out when the Russians and Chinese are all too willing to undermine those sanctions if and when the talks fail. Just look at how well sanctions against Cuba have worked for the last 54 years. So more sanctions? Not really. What Israel hardliners and militarists in the USA want more than anything else is for the USA to bomb Iran. Or as John McCain so aptly put it, "bomb, bomb, bomb, Iran". That is the end game that Netanyahu and the neocons and war profiteers in the USA are pushing for.
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Jared -- Yes it's relatively easy to undermine a deal. It's extremely hard to put one together in the first place. Here's an extract from the McClathy article above: "As an example of the complexity of the negotiation, the official cited one item that had previously been agreed to, the modification of a nuclear reactor at Arak, Iran, so that it cannot produce weapons-grade plutonium. "“There are myriad details involved in that, everything from how is that project going to be managed, who’s going to do it, who’s going to certify the design, how will it be monitored, what happens to the heavy water, what happens to the spent fuel, and about a hundred other details that underlie that decision – many details,” the official said. “All of those have to be agreed to. We have to understand what we have agreed to here.” "Other sections of the deal are even more difficult, he asserted, made additionally complicated because first the United States and its five negotiating partners must agree before an item is talked about with Iranian negotiators." There is nothing easy about these negotiations. Every single point has to be argued. Every single point is difficult. Those that sit at home and second guess what is going on have no idea of how complex and delicate the negotiations are...or how many compromises have to be made. But what drives the negotiators on both sides is the realization that no deal is a bad deal. They work on burning the midnight oil, but catching nothing but flack from the tiny minds of the naysayers who don't seem to give a crap or have any concept or visualization of how events might play out in the future. Adelson can go to hell and take his dirty money with him.
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The truth of the matter is that only one country has ever used a nuclear weapon against another country. It just all seems a bit hypocritical for America to pick and choose who can or can't have nuclear energy/weapons. Pakistan? Sure, why not? North Korea? Sure, why not? Iran? HELL NO! Pakistan is responsible for the deaths of hundreds, if not thousands, of our soldiers fighting in Afghanistan, but we're not bombing them. North Korea threatens us with annihilation on a daily basis, but we're not bombing them. Iran hasn't done a damn thing to us other than have some students take over the American Embassy in 1979. It's been 36 years. It's time for us to get over it. If, and this is a big if, Iran does decide to build a nuclear weapon then what does anyone honestly think will happen? They aren't stupid and they know that they would risk total annihilation if they were dumb enough to use it. So if they ever decided to build the bomb it would be for leverage and not because they were actually intent on using one. It's time for us to pull up our big boy pants and accept that Iran already has a nuclear program. No amount of bombs and missiles will take that away because they will just build it back up again after the bombings stop. And if we were stupid enough to bomb them then we sure as hell better be ready for a regional, and possibly world, war that would kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of people. Would all those deaths be worth it just to set their nuclear program back a few years and guarantee that they actually will develop a bomb? So the real question is whether or not America will fall into the trap that Benjamin Netanyahu is trying to set up for us. We should not be used as his pawns who will bomb any country he tells us to. We should use our unique position of being a superpower to solve things peacefully for once.
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