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  • Independent
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    The reader of the following should consider that I’m possibly being satirical – or playing devil’s advocate. Serious? Moi? But whatever one’s assumption of my standpoint, that this is just one man’s opinion should be the reader’s judgment. Even if I’ve written serious commentary regarding some organizations, I could be wrong, misled, misinformed, or missing the state of sanctity achieved by those who believe – whichever.

    Spent the afternoon watching a Scientology expose' on some TV channel at my son’s place. I've read a couple or more books on the "church". Amazing what psychopathology people will espouse as "religion" -- and frightening such mob mania that could so easily turn Nazi-ish. At least Scientology's fascistic procedures have been kept within the organization, primarily to keep people from leaving it.
    So many examples of such craze-cult congregations: small scale was the Jim Jones event ending in mass suicide. Mormonism is enshrined lunacy (the angel Maroni appeared in a field, further revelations were from the founder's putting his head in a hat. There's the Unification Church whose members were called "Moonies" after the founder, "Reverend" Moon.
    Amazing the mass membership. And maybe more so, the economic accumulation and power these organizations acquire. And in such short time-spans. L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology (after the wane of Dianetics) only 60 or so years ago. And now it's an international econo-political powerhouse in ways. Mormons were despised and driven out of several of their "promised land" locales before settling in Utah mid-l800s or so. And by l900s they were building the Temple and already very influential and rich. Moon's scam has legitimized, so to speak, to the point of owning major newspapers and heaven knows what else.
    Even "mainstream" religions are significantly based on beliefs which, from perspective other than the believers' would be considered childish, nonsense, fiction, or psychosis.
    The actually observable and scientifically demonstrable ( and theoretically provable) phenomena of the earth, life, sky, space, . . . should be the "supernatural dimension of the Natural", the wonder and beauty and power and glory of it all what mankind seeks to be encompassed within. To become "one" with (through knowledge, yes, but just being amazed and enthralled.
    Angels and visitations and "future-wives" of Mormonism . . . and spirits from failed former worlds escaped from the volcanoes to then "infest" those not "cleared" by Scientology's stunts . . . and even bearded old white men in the sky along with the revelations of Revelations (that some assert are prophecy of airplanes or automobiles)!!! A species capable of technology and medicine and art and comprehension of the universe's actual processes even from the sub-atomic unto the very expansionist galactic scope . . . . gathers in mumbling and mania and mutual hatred so often. Gathers to worship some god of glorification of their autonomy apart from the whole of Being?
    What a sin religion, so much, is.
    What worse, so often, what somehow cons terminology and tax exempt status, enterprises that people pour their culpability into. Perhaps the epic of this category is Scientology.
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/76941.aspx">alongcameaschneider[/url] Wrote: The reader of the following should consider that I’m possibly being satirical – or playing devil’s advocate. Serious? Moi? But whatever one’s assumption of my standpoint, that this is just one man’s opinion should be the reader’s judgment. Even if I’ve written serious commentary regarding some organizations, I could be wrong, misled, misinformed, or missing the state of sanctity achieved by those who believe – whichever.

    Spent the afternoon watching a Scientology expose' on some TV channel at my son’s place. I've read a couple or more books on the "church". Amazing what psychopathology people will espouse as "religion" -- and frightening such mob mania that could so easily turn Nazi-ish. At least Scientology's fascistic procedures have been kept within the organization, primarily to keep people from leaving it.
    So many examples of such craze-cult congregations: small scale was the Jim Jones event ending in mass suicide. Mormonism is enshrined lunacy (the angel Maroni appeared in a field, further revelations were from the founder's putting his head in a hat. There's the Unification Church whose members were called "Moonies" after the founder, "Reverend" Moon.
    Amazing the mass membership. And maybe more so, the economic accumulation and power these organizations acquire. And in such short time-spans. L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology (after the wane of Dianetics) only 60 or so years ago. And now it's an international econo-political powerhouse in ways. Mormons were despised and driven out of several of their "promised land" locales before settling in Utah mid-l800s or so. And by l900s they were building the Temple and already very influential and rich. Moon's scam has legitimized, so to speak, to the point of owning major newspapers and heaven knows what else.
    Even "mainstream" religions are significantly based on beliefs which, from perspective other than the believers' would be considered childish, nonsense, fiction, or psychosis.
    The actually observable and scientifically demonstrable ( and theoretically provable) phenomena of the earth, life, sky, space, . . . should be the "supernatural dimension of the Natural", the wonder and beauty and power and glory of it all what mankind seeks to be encompassed within. To become "one" with (through knowledge, yes, but just being amazed and enthralled.
    Angels and visitations and "future-wives" of Mormonism . . . and spirits from failed former worlds escaped from the volcanoes to then "infest" those not "cleared" by Scientology's stunts . . . and even bearded old white men in the sky along with the revelations of Revelations (that some assert are prophecy of airplanes or automobiles)!!! A species capable of technology and medicine and art and comprehension of the universe's actual processes even from the sub-atomic unto the very expansionist galactic scope . . . . gathers in mumbling and mania and mutual hatred so often. Gathers to worship some god of glorification of their autonomy apart from the whole of Being?
    What a sin religion, so much, is.
    What worse, so often, what somehow cons terminology and tax exempt status, enterprises that people pour their culpability into. Perhaps the epic of this category is Scientology.

    Thus the danger of enshrining religious belief with the force of law.

    Heinlein wrote that one man's theology is another man's belly laugh.

    But it is much more than that. It is tribalism and the other. It is justification and rationale for violence and hate-filled actions and words. It is selective reading and interpretation of so-called sacred writings.

    It is disappointing and dangerous to man.
  • Independent
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    My exuses; most of these "loonies" were tossed out of Europe and fled to the US. So we are stuck with them. The bad part is that they managed to get more influence. The human race regardless of its evolution is mentaly still in the stone age; the fear factor related to death still reigns. Just because certain "humans" did write something we have now wars all over the place. The whole town is loaded with churches with all kinds of weird names; the police has to control traffic of our tax money to lead all these dummo's to church while the churches pay nothing. What a weird society we live in. How is it possible that millions of people just follow all kind of preachers without thinking or common scientific sense. At least in Europe there is a tendency to ask the right questions; here they just follow like a dumb animal instinct herd. Jesus or no Jesus does that change death? or the world? or the universe? I guess not.
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    I've read the book "Going Clear" and seen the movie. Disgusting, to say the least but that's what religion and "faith" is all about - isn't it?
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    Dutch Wrote: My exuses; most of these "loonies" were tossed out of Europe and fled to the US. So we are stuck with them. The bad part is that they managed to get more influence. The human race regardless of its evolution is mentaly still in the stone age; the fear factor related to death still reigns. Just because certain "humans" did write something we have now wars all over the place. The whole town is loaded with churches with all kinds of weird names; the police has to control traffic of our tax money to lead all these dummo's to church while the churches pay nothing. What a weird society we live in. How is it possible that millions of people just follow all kind of preachers without thinking or common scientific sense. At least in Europe there is a tendency to ask the right questions; here they just follow like a dumb animal instinct herd. Jesus or no Jesus does that change death? or the world? or the universe? I guess not.
    Dutch -- Right you are. They weren't born that way. They were indoctrinated from birth....much the same as Muslims, Hindus, Buddists and Jews are indoctrinated from birth. I've mentioned in other posts how neuroscientists have studied how the brain develops from baby to early childhood to teen years to young adult hood...the neurons being connected up with "synapses" according to what they experience in their surroundings. That's mostly family influence from generation to generation to generation all the way back to old Europe and even further...to the crusades. They came here by the boat loads from Europe and proceeded to conduct witch trials, etc. as they consolidated their gains.

    I believe their worldviews are largely based on their surroundings from birth, but I have to wonder if after so many generations of these type of thinkers (or lack of critical thinking) we might not find some kind of "God gene" in their DNA as well. Ha.

    Happy Easter.
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/76941.aspx">alongcameaschneider[/url] Wrote: The reader of the following should consider that I’m possibly being satirical – or playing devil’s advocate. Serious? Moi? But whatever one’s assumption of my standpoint, that this is just one man’s opinion should be the reader’s judgment. Even if I’ve written serious commentary regarding some organizations, I could be wrong, misled, misinformed, or missing the state of sanctity achieved by those who believe – whichever.

    Spent the afternoon watching a Scientology expose' on some TV channel at my son’s place. I've read a couple or more books on the "church". Amazing what psychopathology people will espouse as "religion" -- and frightening such mob mania that could so easily turn Nazi-ish. At least Scientology's fascistic procedures have been kept within the organization, primarily to keep people from leaving it.
    So many examples of such craze-cult congregations: small scale was the Jim Jones event ending in mass suicide. Mormonism is enshrined lunacy (the angel Maroni appeared in a field, further revelations were from the founder's putting his head in a hat. There's the Unification Church whose members were called "Moonies" after the founder, "Reverend" Moon.
    Amazing the mass membership. And maybe more so, the economic accumulation and power these organizations acquire. And in such short time-spans. L. Ron Hubbard founded Scientology (after the wane of Dianetics) only 60 or so years ago. And now it's an international econo-political powerhouse in ways. Mormons were despised and driven out of several of their "promised land" locales before settling in Utah mid-l800s or so. And by l900s they were building the Temple and already very influential and rich. Moon's scam has legitimized, so to speak, to the point of owning major newspapers and heaven knows what else.
    Even "mainstream" religions are significantly based on beliefs which, from perspective other than the believers' would be considered childish, nonsense, fiction, or psychosis.
    The actually observable and scientifically demonstrable ( and theoretically provable) phenomena of the earth, life, sky, space, . . . should be the "supernatural dimension of the Natural", the wonder and beauty and power and glory of it all what mankind seeks to be encompassed within. To become "one" with (through knowledge, yes, but just being amazed and enthralled.
    Angels and visitations and "future-wives" of Mormonism . . . and spirits from failed former worlds escaped from the volcanoes to then "infest" those not "cleared" by Scientology's stunts . . . and even bearded old white men in the sky along with the revelations of Revelations (that some assert are prophecy of airplanes or automobiles)!!! A species capable of technology and medicine and art and comprehension of the universe's actual processes even from the sub-atomic unto the very expansionist galactic scope . . . . gathers in mumbling and mania and mutual hatred so often. Gathers to worship some god of glorification of their autonomy apart from the whole of Being?
    What a sin religion, so much, is.
    What worse, so often, what somehow cons terminology and tax exempt status, enterprises that people pour their culpability into. Perhaps the epic of this category is Scientology.

    Fear of death combined with tribal fear/hatred of the other is very powerful. Add in a being as noted that can conceive the infinite in a finite body and you have humans.

    Parke Godwin in "the snake oil wars" said this-

    Two characters talking, Joshua speed (actually Abraham lincoln) and Peter helm (actually john Calvin)

    Helm asks why speed is so obstinate against god's will and speed replies:

    "Not against god's will, helm, but yours. People like you can never bow to the cross without your foot on somebody's neck."
  • Independent
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    Lonely; Yes your last line says it all. Anyway please join my "snake oil church" if you become a member it is oly 20% of your income and you get a pair of free "jesus" sandals if you join.
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/76635.aspx">Dutch[/url] Wrote: Lonely; Yes your last line says it all. Anyway please join my "snake oil church" if you become a member it is oly 20% of your income and you get a pair of free "jesus" sandals if you join.

    Nah, the sandals wouldn't look good on me. ;)
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/76635.aspx">Dutch[/url] Wrote: Lonely; Yes your last line says it all. Anyway please join my "snake oil church" if you become a member it is oly 20% of your income and you get a pair of free "jesus" sandals if you join.


    Dutch, do we drink the snake oil or rub it all over our bodies (or someone else's body, for that matter)?
  • Independent
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    [url=https://www.democratichub.com/user/76635.aspx">Dutch[/url] Wrote: Lonely; Yes your last line says it all. Anyway please join my "snake oil church" if you become a member it is oly 20% of your income and you get a pair of free "jesus" sandals if you join.


    Dutch, do we drink the snake oil or rub it all over our bodies (or someone else's body, for that matter)?
    No, our priest is a gorgeous 24 year old virgin, who sprinkles the "virgin" snake oil over your head; you will smell like the sewer, so people around you know then that you "belong" to my church.Halejuja, praise the snake oil and once you're dead you still will smell like dead garbage but you stay "blessed" forever..