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Framework for Iran Nuclear Deal Reached

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    The P5 + 1 and Iran reached a tentative deal regarding their countries nuclear program today, announcing a framework for a final agreement that should be complete by this summer. The deal now enters into the next phase of actually drafting a formal agreement that all parties will then sign on to.

    It's a first step, but it is a huge first step in the years long process to reign in Iran's nuclear ambitions and bring about a strong inspections regime that will keep Iran's nuclear activities in check.

    I think this is a great day. Our President and his Administration has shown that working with the international community in reaching diplomatic solutions is possible. We seem to finally be moving away from a 'shoot first, ask questions later' mentality that dogged us during the Bush years. I know we have a long way to go with convincing Congress to sign on to the deal, but they will be hard pressed to make too much of a stink about it and risk alienating ourselves in the world community. All of our major allies have signed on to this deal and we would look like idiotic bullies if our Congress decides to screw everything up.

    You can watch the President's remarks below:

  • Liberal Democrat
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    From what both President Obama and Secretary Kerry have outlined in their speeches today, this is indeed a very good deal if it can be finalized by June 30th. It is a win-win for Iran and the rest of the world. It is a good deal for Israel if they can put their hate and politics aside. Mitch McConnell and John Boehner should be able to get behind it if they can put their politics aside. However, as we know, a certain segment of the Republican Party will oppose this deal, not because of the terms, which are very good, but because they don't want any deal...they want more war. They look to Netanyahu as their leader.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I agree with you Schmidt, but I surely hope that cooler heads prevail on both sides of the aisle. Now that Democrats know what the agreement looks like then hopefully they won't join Republicans in making a veto-proof majority of any additional sanctions the Republicans in Congress want to impose. If they will stand with our President and not Boehner and McConnell then we may be able to see this deal succeed.

    My main worry is the loosening of sanctions and whether the Republican Congress will refuse to go along with it out of spite for President Obama or their appetite for war. Or both. If Congress refuses to go along with loosening the sanctions after Iran proves that it's fulfilling their part of the deal then this whole thing can fall apart. It would be a shame to see a good thing collapse just because Republicans would rather bow down and worship Netanyahu than do what's best for our country.
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    It would seem that the proposed agreement addresses every concern ever raised by Republicans in terms of verification. About all they can say is we don't trust them, but that's why the agreement is so tough on inspections. If Republicans scuttle the deal because they don't trust the Iranians, then that is nothing more than BS. It means that the only deal they want is NO DEAL.

    Obama and Kerry have the Republicans backed into the corner. If they don't agree to the deal, then it is the USA that has scuttled a deal for peace. But hey, that's okay with the war mongers.

    Scott Walker in a radio interview today has already come out and said he would "blow up the deal."

    Washington Post, April 2, 2015: Scott Walker: I’ll blow up any Iran deal, no matter what our European allies think

    SYKES: You have said that you would cancel any Iranian deal the Obama administration makes. Now would you cancel that even if our trading partners did not want to reimpose the sanctions?

    WALKER: Absolutely. If I ultimately choose to run, and if I’m honored to be elected by the people of this country, I will pull back on that on January 20, 2017, because the last thing — not just for the region but for this world — we need is a nuclear-armed Iran. It leaves not only problems for Israel, because they want to annihilate Israel, it leaves the problems in the sense that the Saudis, the Jordanians and others are gonna want to have access to their own nuclear weapons…

    More bluster...not qualified to be president.
  • Center Left
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    I sure hope the verifications are followed up with very closely. I know the right will find over a dozen reasons to criticize the agreement. I must admit that I don't trust Iran at all. That's why I would be fine with the world turning up the spying to see what is really happening. Plus all of the centrifuges that Iran has built, sure points to uranium enrichment I can see reasons that will occur wherein we and much of the rest of the world have doubts going forward. I bet the further access to inspections won't happen as agreed to as well. I don't want to be negative but Iran being a huge supporter of terrorism leads to my doubts.

    Let's look back on this 18 - 36 months from now to see how things are going.
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    TJ -- Yes we have three more months of tough negotiations to get the final agreement in place. The verification part of this is pretty iron clad as many so called "experts" have chimed in on the networks. Even Bill O'Reilly (an expert on everything) is showing support for the deal. As President Obama has said in one of his speeches, "Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei has issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons, and President Rouhani has said that Iran would never develop a nuclear weapon." If that is true, it is significant.

    My own opinion, and I know many Americans don't share this view, is that I trust the Iranians more to hold up their end of the deal (assuming it is finalized by June 30th) than I trust the Israelis and their Republican partners to somehow scuttle the deal. Let's just say I don't trust Netanyahu as far as I can spit. In his quest to build more and more settlements on Palestinian owned territory on the West Bank, he has shown that what he really wants to do is slowly swallow up all of the Palestinian territory into a Jewish state where the indigenous Arabs are treated as second class citizens...an apartheid state. And he lies about it.

    Netanyahu and the Christian Apocalyptic Republicans quoting Biblical scriptures want NO DEAL no matter how good it is. They will use every means to subvert it including using the US media to undermine it.

    As per Al Jazeera,

    In a phone conversation with Obama, Netanyahu said that a final deal based on this agreement "would threaten the survival of Israel", while the prime minister's spokesperson Mark Regev quoted the premier as saying that the emerging deal "would not block Iran's path to the bomb. It would pave it".

    That's bull s**t pandering to the hardliners in Israel. The hardliners in Israel, the hardliners in America and the hardliners in Iran are all against this deal. What bed partners they make. I don't trust Netanyahu.
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    Schmidt Wrote: TJ -- Yes we have three more months of tough negotiations to get the final agreement in place. The verification part of this is pretty iron clad as many so called "experts" have chimed in on the networks. Even Bill O'Reilly (an expert on everything) is showing support for the deal. As President Obama has said in one of his speeches, "Iran’s Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei has issued a fatwa against the development of nuclear weapons, and President Rouhani has said that Iran would never develop a nuclear weapon." If that is true, it is significant.

    My own opinion, and I know many Americans don't share this view, is that I trust the Iranians more to hold up their end of the deal (assuming it is finalized by June 30th) than I trust the Israelis and their Republican partners to somehow scuttle the deal. Let's just say I don't trust Netanyahu as far as I can spit. In his quest to build more and more settlements on Palestinian owned territory on the West Bank, he has shown that what he really wants to do is slowly swallow up all of the Palestinian territory into a Jewish state where the indigenous Arabs are treated as second class citizens...an apartheid state. And he lies about it.

    Netanyahu and the Christian Apocalyptic Republicans quoting Biblical scriptures want NO DEAL no matter how good it is. They will use every means to subvert it including using the US media to undermine it.

    As per Al Jazeera,

    In a phone conversation with Obama, Netanyahu said that a final deal based on this agreement "would threaten the survival of Israel", while the prime minister's spokesperson Mark Regev quoted the premier as saying that the emerging deal "would not block Iran's path to the bomb. It would pave it".

    That's bull s**t pandering to the hardliners in Israel. The hardliners in Israel, the hardliners in America and the hardliners in Iran are all against this deal. What bed partners they make. I don't trust Netanyahu.
    All you guys said the right things; I just wonder about what dirty tricks the GOP will pull out of the hat; like that statement made by Walker.
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    Apparently the word out of Iran thru their spokesperson is that President Obama has misrepresented the framework of the pending agreement in that Iran will not stop their enrichment program nor will they allow unannounced inspections, Now what!
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    johnnycee Wrote: Apparently the word out of Iran thru their spokesperson is that President Obama has misrepresented the framework of the pending agreement in that Iran will not stop their enrichment program nor will they allow unannounced inspections, Now what!
    Of course they won't stop their enrichment program. That was never in any discussion outside of what Netanyahu and his Republican pawns wanted. Anything short of another Middle Eastern war is unacceptable to them.

    And there will be unannounced inspections. I don't know what 'news' you were listening to, but they were misinformed.

    Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: Why the framework nuclear agreement with Iran is good for both sides

    From the article:
    "This means that IAEA inspectors will be able to regularly monitor Iranian facilities and can conduct unannounced inspections as well. Inspectors will also have access to the supply chain through which Iran obtains materials for its nuclear program. Inspections will likely last for about 25 years, longer than the implementation period of the agreement itself."
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Apparently the word out of Iran thru their spokesperson is that President Obama has misrepresented the framework of the pending agreement in that Iran will not stop their enrichment program nor will they allow unannounced inspections, Now what!
    Of course they won't stop their enrichment program. That was never in any discussion outside of what Netanyahu and his Republican pawns wanted. Anything short of another Middle Eastern war is unacceptable to them.

    And there will be unannounced inspections. I don't know what 'news' you were listening to, but they were misinformed.

    Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: Why the framework nuclear agreement with Iran is good for both sides

    From the article:
    "This means that IAEA inspectors will be able to regularly monitor Iranian facilities and can conduct unannounced inspections as well. Inspectors will also have access to the supply chain through which Iran obtains materials for its nuclear program. Inspections will likely last for about 25 years, longer than the implementation period of the agreement itself."
    Just on the news; Israel cabinet voted fully against this deal; so what will our buddies of the GOP do?
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    Dutch Wrote: Just on the news; Israel cabinet voted fully against this deal; so what will our buddies of the GOP do?
    Is anyone surprised with Netanyahu's reaction? War is his only answer.

    Iran's President just gave a televised statement saying Iran will fully abide by the deal.

    Story: Iran's President Says Country Will Meet All Its Commitments on Nuclear Deal
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    Dutch Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Apparently the word out of Iran thru their spokesperson is that President Obama has misrepresented the framework of the pending agreement in that Iran will not stop their enrichment program nor will they allow unannounced inspections, Now what!
    Of course they won't stop their enrichment program. That was never in any discussion outside of what Netanyahu and his Republican pawns wanted. Anything short of another Middle Eastern war is unacceptable to them.

    And there will be unannounced inspections. I don't know what 'news' you were listening to, but they were misinformed.

    Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: Why the framework nuclear agreement with Iran is good for both sides

    From the article:
    "This means that IAEA inspectors will be able to regularly monitor Iranian facilities and can conduct unannounced inspections as well. Inspectors will also have access to the supply chain through which Iran obtains materials for its nuclear program. Inspections will likely last for about 25 years, longer than the implementation period of the agreement itself."
    Just on the news; Israel cabinet voted fully against this deal; so what will our buddies of the GOP do?
    The IAEA said last night on the late news that they will not monitor/inspect the sites, since Iran will not allow unannounced monitoring, this nothing more than a ploy to have the sanctions lifted. The Mullahs do not want the State of Israel to exist and if having nuclear capabilities can expedite that , then all the better. What will probably happen is this , Israel will strike first, I fully believe this and then everyone will denounce Israel for doing just that.
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    johnnycee Wrote: The IAEA said last night on the late news that they will not monitor/inspect the sites, since Iran will not allow unannounced monitoring, this nothing more than a ploy to have the sanctions lifted.
    Here is the IAEA's official statement yesterday:
    "The IAEA welcomes the announcement by E3+3 and Iran on the key parameters for a joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. With the endorsement of the IAEA's Board of Governors, the Agency will be ready to fulfill its role in verifying the implementation of nuclear related measures, once the agreement is finalized."
    Where exactly did you hear or read differently and what was their exact quote saying that they will 'not monitor/inspect the sites'?
    johnnycee Wrote: The Mullahs do not want the State of Israel to exist and if having nuclear capabilities can expedite that , then all the better. What will probably happen is this , Israel will strike first, I fully believe this and then everyone will denounce Israel for doing just that.
    Do you understand the difference between nuclear capabilities and nuclear weapons?

    Iran would be idiotic to build a bomb because it would guarantee their destruction. It's time we stop listening to the war mongers who want to scare the hell out of everyone and start thinking logically for once. Every major world power signed off on this deal. Do you honestly think that every major world power is naive and would sign off on a bad deal? What knowledge do you possess that the top diplomats of every major world power do not?

    If you want war with Iran then admit it. If not then explain, exactly, what your opposition to this deal is other than talking points the Israeli media and Republicans in Congress churn out.

    Yes, everyone would denounce Israel if they invaded a sovereign country that didn't attack them first. And a denunciation would be the least of their worries because that action would set the entire region on fire.

    If you think things are bad now, what would they be like with Hezbollah and Hamas attacking Israel on multiple fronts? What will happen when Iran inevitably retaliates? The Iron Dome doesn't have the capabilities to neutralize Iran's weapons that would be raining down on Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Haifa. Israel would be inviting the total collapse of the Middle East if they did something as utterly stupid as attack Iran without provocation. And don't just listen to me--listen to the Israeli generals who are terrified of such a scenario.
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    I personally don't care at all what Israel thinks. Like Schmidt, I think that Israel needs a bath to remove the stench of their actions. I further don't care what our congress or senate think. They all have an elevated sense of worth considering how little work they actually do. They'll be problematic as they see that as their cause/mission.
    I hope the final negotiation of details and parameters is done with great caution. What I fully expect is for Iran to sit quietly until they get what they want. Then as time goes by, be an obstacle to verifications. Don't schedule it..... don't allow unfettered access. Then with the complete ability to enrich Uranium..... you're just a few steps away from developing weapons of MASS destruction. Not like Iraq - didn't have. But the real bad stuff.
    The current religious leadership and the other leaders are saying all of the right things. We'd expect nothing else. The Ayatollah (sp?) is very old and could be replaced soon so do we get a new message from the new guy - after all is signed sealed and delivered ? We just don't know. The situation where a religious leader has such a powerful position is not good at all.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: The IAEA said last night on the late news that they will not monitor/inspect the sites, since Iran will not allow unannounced monitoring, this nothing more than a ploy to have the sanctions lifted.
    Here is the IAEA's official statement yesterday:
    "The IAEA welcomes the announcement by E3+3 and Iran on the key parameters for a joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. With the endorsement of the IAEA's Board of Governors, the Agency will be ready to fulfill its role in verifying the implementation of nuclear related measures, once the agreement is finalized."
    Where exactly did you hear or read differently and what was their exact quote saying that they will 'not monitor/inspect the sites'?
    johnnycee Wrote: The Mullahs do not want the State of Israel to exist and if having nuclear capabilities can expedite that , then all the better. What will probably happen is this , Israel will strike first, I fully believe this and then everyone will denounce Israel for doing just that.
    Do you understand the difference between nuclear capabilities and nuclear weapons?

    Iran would be idiotic to build a bomb because it would guarantee their destruction. It's time we stop listening to the war mongers who want to scare the hell out of everyone and start thinking logically for once. Every major world power signed off on this deal. Do you honestly think that every major world power is naive and would sign off on a bad deal? What knowledge do you possess that the top diplomats of every major world power do not?

    If you want war with Iran then admit it. If not then explain, exactly, what your opposition to this deal is other than talking points the Israeli media and Republicans in Congress churn out.

    Yes, everyone would denounce Israel if they invaded a sovereign country that didn't attack them first. And a denunciation would be the least of their worries because that action would set the entire region on fire.

    If you think things are bad now, what would they be like with Hezbollah and Hamas attacking Israel on multiple fronts? What will happen when Iran inevitably retaliates? The Iron Dome doesn't have the capabilities to neutralize Iran's weapons that would be raining down on Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Haifa. Israel would be inviting the total collapse of the Middle East if they did something as utterly stupid as attack Iran without provocation. And don't just listen to me--listen to the Israeli generals who are terrified of such a scenario.
    Jaredsxtn: I will no longer respond to your posts as your feelings get hurt to easily and you flag my posts rather than answering, besides I have a difficult time attempting to post with a self proclaimed zealot who feels their word is the final word on all debates anyone who holds an opposing view is well , pick your favorite name to call them. Good day Sir.