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American un-exceptualism

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  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    A very accurate blog on AterNet today on how we rate compared to the rest of the civilized world.

    www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/9-things-many-americans-just-dont-grasp-comp...d
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    pgr -- Another great article. Thanks for sharing. I lived in London for nine years in the 1970s and early 80s and never owned a car. No need for one as public transport was excellent. And with all the small shops near our neighborhood, my wife pulled her wheeled shopping cart from sore to store...the green grocer, the fish market, the meat market, the bread shop, and even a "super market" as it was called but extremely small by US standards just supplying canned goods. She walked with our small kids to do that shopping. These were all small "Mom and Pop" stores that closed early, but really supplied an essential need in every neighborhood along with the neighborhood pubs where I would sometimes stop on the weekends with my kids. The quality of life was very good. I walked to work every day through Regents Park...a beautiful morning walk. It was the best days of my life.

    I should add that my modes of transport consisted of walking (80 percent), tubes and busses (15 percent) and taxis (5 percent).
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Excellent read. Good find
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Thanks PGR; yes I've indicated these things many times; sorry the U.S. is just an big "island" and being made worse by the GOP and Jesus freaks.
  • Center-Right
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    Illinois
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    never threaten an american with reality!!!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The reality is that many of the so called "Jesus Freaks" are passionate about their crusade and vote in large numbers. They want to abolish abortion from the land, ban all gay activity as they believe being gay is a choice, and they view wars in apocalyptic terms. Everything makes perfect sense to them, and when they vote, they are doing "God's work". It doesn't matter that they might disagree with the candidate (or have no opinion) on 95 percent of the other issues, those are the only issues they care about.

    On the other hand, as Bill Maher said on his program last night, liberals just need one issue that they disagree with on a candidate to NOT vote. They may agree with a candidate on 95 percent of the issues, but find that one thing, and they go into tizzy. "I'm not going to vote for that guy."

    That's why we are in the predicament that we are...because Americans do not vote for their best interests or do not vote at all. The Koch brothers are just laughing at all of us as they pull our strings.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote: The reality is that many of the so called "Jesus Freaks" are passionate about their crusade and vote in large numbers. They want to abolish abortion from the land, ban all gay activity as they believe being gay is a choice, and they view wars in apocalyptic terms. Everything makes perfect sense to them, and when they vote, they are doing "God's work". It doesn't matter that they might disagree with the candidate (or have no opinion) on 95 percent of the other issues, those are the only issues they care about.

    On the other hand, as Bill Mayer said on his program last night, liberals just need one issue that they disagree with on a candidate to NOT vote. They may agree with a candidate on 95 percent of the issues, but find that one thing, and they go into tizzy. "I'm not going to vote for that guy."

    That's why we are in the predicament that we are...because Americans do not vote for their best interests or do not vote at all. The Koch brothers are just laughing at all of us as they pull our strings.
    Schmidt, absolutely correct. Lately I've got the feeling that the "indoctrination" via the media is out on full force; like on CNN the whole "bible" and "jesus" shows. I guess as an "counter" movement against the "Muslim" uprising. It makes me a bit sick indeed. Reality is the far from my bed show. Also related the Koch brothers, I think it is a pre-play for the coming elections in 2016. All the loonies will come out of the woodwork for sure.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    hifijohn Wrote: never threaten an american with reality!!!
    Yes; indeed they rather start a war about it, then accept reality.!!!
  • Independent
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    sadly, it is not a matter of reality vs denial. it is a matter of debate framing. the fact that other industrialized nations have universal healthcare is irrelevant. the american mythology prevents any sort of discussion of actual issues. instead that very mythology states that NO MATTER WHAT we are exceptional. that said exceptionalism is based upon genocide of native peoples, wars of choice such as the spanish-cuban-american war, undermining of self-determination of other nations and geographic happenstance a la the u.s. economy being safe from impact by world war means nothing to the myth. the myth exists and as such can only be torn down through a massive program to do just that. and that ain't gonna happen.

    it doesn't matter that the countries that practice family or stakeholder capitalism perform better for their citizens than the u.s. economy now does. it doesn't matter how many statistics regarding small businesses and universal healthcare are presented. it doesn't matter that china is waging economic war against the u.s.

    NONE OF THAT MATTERS.

    america is exceptional. america is the indispensable nation. imagine a world without america was that buffoon dinesh d'sousa did while wasting trees for such a nonsensical tome. cognitive dissonance and denial are symptoms of decline. expect more religious fervor as well as militarism. the decline path has been chosen. instead of a glide to a relatively smooth landing wherein some introspection occurs and a new america is born that discards exceptionalism a screaming straight down at terminal velocity has been selected wherein some few make as much as they can and then parachute out while the rest crash into chaos.

    if we think that the great depression or the great recession or ww2 was horrific (and ww2 actually wasn't for america) wait 'til you see what happens when cherished illusions are stripped away.

    THAT i don't want to be around for.

    hunger games, divergent, ready player 1, pick any young adult dystopian novel or series and it will be nowhere near the reality.