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Senate Republicans Do Netanyahu's Bidding; Attempt to Sabotage Iran Deal

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Less than a week after Benhamin Netanyahu's dangerous speech to Congress, his Republican pawns in the United States Senate have moved to do his bidding and sabotage the deal before it is even signed. This is dangerous in more ways than one, but the fact that sitting US Senators are openly and deliberately trying to sabotage an international agreement between all the major nations is unheard of in our nations history. It is not their job to negotiate international agreements and they are setting a very dangerous precedent in writing this letter.

    The fact that members of the United States Senate are so openly doing the bidding of another nations leader is scary. Their demands are carbon copy of Netanyahu's wholly unrealistic demands and can only be read as a prelude to war. They offer zero alternative other than complete capitulation, which anyone with a working brain understands will not happen. I don't know about you, but I am tired of my country and specifically the Republican Party, going to war as a first resort.

    Mr. Cotton and all the Senate Republicans who signed this letter need a lesson in US Civics. They don't control our nations foreign policy. Our President does.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Less than a week after Benhamin Netanyahu's dangerous speech to Congress, his Republican pawns in the United States Senate have moved to do his bidding and sabotage the deal before it is even signed. This is dangerous in more ways than one, but the fact that sitting US Senators are openly and deliberately trying to sabotage an international agreement between all the major nations is unheard of in our nations history. It is not their job to negotiate international agreements and they are setting a very dangerous precedent in writing this letter.

    The fact that members of the United States Senate are so openly doing the bidding of another nations leader is scary. Their demands are carbon copy of Netanyahu's wholly unrealistic demands and can only be read as a prelude to war. They offer zero alternative other than complete capitulation, which anyone with a working brain understands will not happen. I don't know about you, but I am tired of my country and specifically the Republican Party, going to war as a first resort.

    Mr. Cotton and all the Senate Republicans who signed this letter need a lesson in US Civics. They don't control our nations foreign policy. Our President does.
    Jared; yes I saw on the news that the GOP did sent a letter to Iran as you said. Indeed this country is becoming the laughing stock of the world; like you said "who" is running this country?. It is time all these guys get jail time and this country uses only one policy and voice to the outside world and that should indeed be an official elected president not a bunch of indoctrinated idiots who have no clue about international politics. Totally absurd that something like that is possible. I hope and ........; ( can't say the word) that this government never get run again by the GOP or worse the Pentagon. My "vote" alone does not help much.
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    My question is this ,is the fact true that the incoming President, can change or even nullify the deal, that to me is the crux of the matter.
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    johnnycee Wrote: My question is this ,is the fact true that the incoming President, can change or even nullify the deal, that to me is the crux of the matter.
    Nice job on repeating yet another Fox News and Republican talking point! It's rather amazing that you continue to insist you don't watch or listen conservative media, but somehow repeat their talking points verbatim on a continuous basis. But let's get to the crux of that matter...

    The crux of the matter is that the Republican's hatred of the President runs so deep that they are kowtowing to a foreign leader who wants to lead us into yet another Middle Eastern war for no reason other than being bullies and telling the rest of the world how to behave.

    I'm not so sure you fully understand how American foreign policy works. The Executive, not the Senate, conducts American foreign policy. The Senate only gets involved when a formal treaty is under consideration. Could you have imagined Congress inserting themselves into negotiations to end the Cuban missile crisis? No, because the Executive Branch handles international matters.

    Must I remind you that six world powers are conducting these negotiations? Benjamin Netanyahu and Congressional Republicans can't dictate everything to the rest of the world. It doesn't work that way.

    And is there anything, anything at all, that you will stand up and fight for the party you supposedly belong to? Or does your 'independence' prevent you from doing so?
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared; yes I saw on the news that the GOP did sent a letter to Iran as you said. Indeed this country is becoming the laughing stock of the world; like you said "who" is running this country?. It is time all these guys get jail time and this country uses only one policy and voice to the outside world and that should indeed be an official elected president not a bunch of indoctrinated idiots who have no clue about international politics. Totally absurd that something like that is possible. I hope and ........; ( can't say the word) that this government never get run again by the GOP or worse the Pentagon. My "vote" alone does not help much.
    Well, we can't throw every Republican representative in jail, but I do agree that they need to let the Executive Branch conduct foreign policy. Congress declares war and approves treaties. They don't get to conduct foreign policy.
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    HRC blasted the letter today. I saw on CNN a (R) from Arizona (Sen. Jeff Flake) said how he didn't sign but wouldn't discuss behind the scenes discussions within the party. Flake said he sent his own letter to the POTUS to address his concerns. This guy sounded reasonable.
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    TJ Wrote: HRC blasted the letter today. I saw on CNN a (R) from Arizona (Sen. Jeff Flake) said how he didn't sign but wouldn't discuss behind the scenes discussions within the party. Flake said he sent his own letter to the POTUS to address his concerns. This guy sounded reasonable.
    I agree. I also find it intriguing how Senator Bob Corker (R), the Chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, refused to sign the letter. He is someone who has an intimate knowledge and complete oversight of what's going on in these negotiations. Maybe his colleagues should listen to him more than a Tea Party junior senator from a far right state. That's why this letter is nothing more than a blatant attempt to sabotage an international agreement in order to score political points against our President. I truly wonder how these assholes can sleep at night.
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    This is a legit question, can the next president change the terms or even nullify the terms of an agreement made by the previous President without the knowledge or the ratification/ certification of the Congress, forget your patent talking point that I listen to or watch whatever show that you watch on Fox , because I don't for the umpthteeth time watch these shows that you watch, Just respond to my question because I don't know , is there a marked difference between a treaty and an agreement.?
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    johnnycee Wrote: This is a legit question, can the next president change the terms or even nullify the terms of an agreement made by the previous President without the knowledge or the ratification/ certification of the Congress,
    That's never been addressed in our nations history. Ever. How convenient for you to suddenly be concerned about this at this point in time.
    johnnycee Wrote: forget your patent talking point that I listen to or watch whatever show that you watch on Fox , because I don't for the umpthteeth time watch these shows that you watch,
    I only point out when any member repeats Republican talking points verbatim. It's my job to do so. I would be happy to provide you a plethora of links proving my argument that you are repeating Republican talking points verbatim.
    johnnycee Wrote: Just respond to my question because I don't know , is there a marked difference between a treaty and an agreement.
    Yes. There is a very big difference.
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    I am not concerned as you say conveniently but only because if the parties involved in these talks will not be given a guarantee that the Agreement will last beyond the current Administration how will they bargain in good faith, especially since the term being bandied about is 10 years? do you feel that knowing that fact will damage the talks, then you must believe that deceit is the best way to an agreement, especially with the stakes being so high. You are so blinded by your partisanship that you refuse to see both sides of an issue, if I were Iran and found out after I agreed to a specific time frame only to find out that the parties on the other side of the table knew that this was not possible, and lied to me, what do you think would happen. Do you honestly believe that our representatives will tell their counter parts this little tidbit, yea right. You bargain with deceit ,you get a deceitful conclusion.
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    You do understand that a big chunk of the Iranian leadership attended American universities, right? I'm quite sure they understand how the American systmem of governance operates.

    And, as the Iranian leadership fully understands, the Executive, not the Legislative branch, conducts foreign policy in America. But I'm sure you were already aware of that as well, right?
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared; yes I saw on the news that the GOP did sent a letter to Iran as you said. Indeed this country is becoming the laughing stock of the world; like you said "who" is running this country?. It is time all these guys get jail time and this country uses only one policy and voice to the outside world and that should indeed be an official elected president not a bunch of indoctrinated idiots who have no clue about international politics. Totally absurd that something like that is possible. I hope and ........; ( can't say the word) that this government never get run again by the GOP or worse the Pentagon. My "vote" alone does not help much.
    Well, we can't throw every Republican representative in jail, but I do agree that they need to let the Executive Branch conduct foreign policy. Congress declares war and approves treaties. They don't get to conduct foreign policy.
    Jared; I consider this treason; undermining the government system is the same as breaking the law of the land. If I go over the speed limit , I get a ticket.
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    We were discussing this agreement with deceit in our hearts and hoping that the Iranians would not notice it, Whether or not Congress is supposed to sanction this or not,it still does not mean that we enter into talks with deceit in mind from the start. I am certain Iran would not be in discussion with us if they had known that the agreement would only exist for less then 2 years, then all bets are off. Some call these Congressmen who signed this letter as traitors and liken their acts as treason,when in fact they were only shedding light on a possible untruth in these discussions that would affect the security of this Nation, along with other Nations, when the facts came out that we were not acting in good faith.
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    johnnycee Wrote: We were discussing this agreement with deceit in our hearts and hoping that the Iranians would not notice it, Whether or not Congress is supposed to sanction this or not,it still does not mean that we enter into talks with deceit in mind from the start. I am certain Iran would not be in discussion with us if they had known that the agreement would only exist for less then 2 years, then all bets are off. Some call these Congressmen who signed this letter as traitors and liken their acts as treason,when in fact they were only shedding light on a possible untruth in these discussions that would affect the security of this Nation, along with other Nations, when the facts came out that we were not acting in good faith.
    I challenge you to come up with a single time Congress has voided an international agreement the previous President negotiated. Just one...

    I have a strong feeling you are going to be spending the rest of your life searching for it.

    This has absolutely nothing to do with these brave and patriotic Republican Senators wanting to ensure that the Iranians understand American civics. And you are incredibly naive, or just willfully ignorant, to keep insisting that's all this letter is about.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared; I consider this treason; undermining the government system is the same as breaking the law of the land. If I go over the speed limit , I get a ticket.
    I wouldn't exactly call it treason, but it is pretty dirty politics. Sitting Representatives have a wide range of protections when it comes to being able to say and do things that many of us find abhorrent and can't be arrested unless they broke the law. It can be argued that they broke the Logan Act, but that is a huge stretch. We don't typically enforce laws that haven't been used since the early 1800's.

    Now, if you want to discuss how blatantly political this letter is, then I'm all on board. My only question to my war mongering Republican (and some supposedly Democratic) friends is this--if not this deal then what next? Does anyone with a working brain honestly think we can just walk away from a years long international effort with our partners and say 'screw you guys--it's my way or the highway'? Things don't work that way in international relations. Our former incompetent President made that abundantly clear.