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President Obama Vetoes Keystone Pipeline Bill

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Reason prevails!

    President Obama exercised his Presidential veto powers and rejected the Keystone Pipeline bill that the Republican Congress sent him a short while ago. In a statement explaining his veto, President Obama explained that "[b]ecause this act of Congress conflicts with established executive branch procedures and cuts short thorough consideration of issues that could bear on our national interest—including our security, safety, and environment—it has earned my veto."

    While his explanation isn't exactly as forceful as I would have liked, it was nice to see the President stand up to the Republican Congress and remind them that there are far more important things to worry about than building a pipeline for another country to run its oil through our country to be shipped to other countries.

    Surprising no one--Republicans are upset the President dared to exercise his Constitutionally mandated powers that enables him to prevent dumb legislation from becoming law.
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    After all this time, and all those GOP threats --- WE FINALLY WON ! I can't help wondering how long can this Victory last? I wonder how long it will take for the GOP to figure out that you can't mop up 95 trillion gallons of crude oil, with 3,000 boxes of Kleenex. Or bring back billions of helpless sea creatures to life?

    As for the VETO of the Keystone XL Pipeline ---- Hallelujah!! God Bless President Obama. -- He always keeps his promises.

    For all those OIL Executives who have not adequately financed the "clean up" in the Gulf of Mexico, they should all be given an all-expenses-paid vacation to go scuba diving in the Gulf for 5 straight weeks (buff naked except for a pair of goggles). I want them to see (first hand) what they have caused, & to smell & taste the oozing stench of pure corruption & greed. (& smell the oil-drenched flesh of dying sea life). Let them see what HELL looks like. (Their Future Home).
  • Center Left
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    Even if the Veto is over ruled, S. Dakota Indian tribes don't want the pipeline going through ceremonial grounds and Farmers in Nebraska don't want the oil companies to land grab under emanate domain. It's going to the Nebraska Supreme court for a ruling. It may take 2 or 3 more years though.
    As per CNN, it's the Koch brothers that will grab the wealth if the stuff gets to their refineries. No wonder all the republicans are so much for it.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: Even if the Veto is over ruled, S. Dakota Indian tribes don't want the pipeline going through ceremonial grounds and Farmers in Nebraska don't want the oil companies to land grab under emanate domain. It's going to the Nebraska Supreme court for a ruling. It may take 2 or 3 more years though.
    As per CNN, it's the Koch brothers that will grab the wealth if the stuff gets to their refineries. No wonder all the republicans as so much for it.
    I highly doubt the veto will be overruled, but I've seen crazier things before. There are more than a few red state Democrats who have bought into this idea that a pipeline Canada wants built in order to cheaply transport their oil to Texas so they can ship it out of America is somehow good for the American economy. All facts to the contrary be damned.

    It's no surprise that the Koch brothers and the people they own in Congress want this pipeline to be built. They don't care about any potential oil spills that could decimate pristine land, nor do they care about the fact that the pipeline would create only a handful of permanent jobs. All these Republican Congressmen care about is kowtowing to the the people who fill their campaign war chest's.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: Even if the Veto is over ruled, S. Dakota Indian tribes don't want the pipeline going through ceremonial grounds and Farmers in Nebraska don't want the oil companies to land grab under emanate domain. It's going to the Nebraska Supreme court for a ruling. It may take 2 or 3 more years though.
    As per CNN, it's the Koch brothers that will grab the wealth if the stuff gets to their refineries. No wonder all the republicans as so much for it.
    I highly doubt the veto will be overruled, but I've seen crazier things before. There are more than a few red state Democrats who have bought into this idea that a pipeline Canada wants built in order to cheaply transport their oil to Texas so they can ship it out of America is somehow good for the American economy. All facts to the contrary be damned.

    It's no surprise that the Koch brothers and the people they own in Congress want this pipeline to be built. They don't care about any potential oil spills that could decimate pristine land, nor do they care about the fact that the pipeline would create only a handful of permanent jobs. All these Republican Congressmen care about is kowtowing to the the people who fill their campaign war chest's.
    Jared; yes you got the picture; that is how this country is run: Money talks.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    According to MapLight (a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization that tracks the influence of money in politics) Big Oil gave an average of almost $250,000 to every Senator who voted for the Keystone XL pipeline. The person who got the most money was Senator Cornyn of Texas, who got over $1,000,000.He is the current Senate Majority Whip, and serves on the Subcommittee on Energy, Natural Resources, and Infrastructure.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/02/12/1363990/-Big-Oil-Gave-250-000-to-Each-Senator-who-Voted-for-Keystone-XL

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Cornyn

    Although the organization appears to get more funding from liberal sources like George Soros and the Democracy Alliance than conservative sources, it also gets funding from the MacArthur Foundation and the Ford Foundation.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MapLight

    I would consider it to be a far more reliable source than The Heartland Institute, whose largest supporters are the oil and gas industry, tobacco companies, the Walton Foundation, and the pharmaceutical industry.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heartland_Institute

    The vast majority of all land in Canada is owned by the Federal government, but the largest foreign lease holder in Canada is the Koch brothers, who hold oil leases on 1.1 million acres in the oil sands region of Alberta:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/03/20/the-biggest-land-owner-in-canadas-oil-sands-isnt-exxon-mobil-or-conoco-phillips-its-the-koch-brothers/

    Yep. Money talks.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    one picture says it all .. the political cartoon posted below appeared in this morning's Arizona Republic:

    http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/630a2848ea7a2343329816d31cee13b556d21eb8/c=0-41-2705-2075&r=x513&c=680x510/local/-/media/2015/02/26/Phoenix/Phoenix/635605118372370710-bensonCOLOR-Keystone-Pinocchio-02-26-15.jpg
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    It's weird how the government can just take land like this from private citizens
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Gerald W Wrote: It's weird how the government can just take land like this from private citizens
    Can you name the specific private lands the Federal government is supposedly taking from private citizens without just throwing out a straw man like that?

    There is a process when it comes to international agreements and the Executive Branch has an out sized role in negotiating them. Since the pipeline originates in Canada then the Executive has the sole authority to determine if the pipeline is in the 'national interest.'

    American land would basically be a highway for Canadian oil to be shipped to other countries outside of America and the President determined it wasn't in America's national interest to build that highway and assume all the risk for very little reward. That's the way our Federal Government always has and always will work.
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    I meant the taking it from private owners to give to another private owner as the bill was proposed to do. I'm actually for this veto
  • Center Left Democrat
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    A news article that popped up this morning was a story about how a 2 year old section of the original Keystone pipeline was already 95% corroded, and was "paper thin" in a few sections, which tells you how nasty tar sands oil is:

    http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/04/30/exclusive-transcanada-keystone-1-pipeline-suffered-major-corrosion-only-two-years-operation-95-worn-one-section#NoKXL

    In related environmental news, I finished reading "This Changes Everything" by Naomi Klein yesterday. Big Oil also turns out to be "pretty nasty" when it comes to the environment.
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: A news article that popped up this morning was a story about how a 2 year old section of the original Keystone pipeline was already 95% corroded, and was "paper thin" in a few sections, which tells you how nasty tar sands oil is:

    http://www.desmogblog.com/2015/04/30/exclusive-transcanada-keystone-1-pipeline-suffered-major-corrosion-only-two-years-operation-95-worn-one-section#NoKXL
    That was an interesting read. Thanks for sharing.

    I knew that this tar sand oil was a lot dirtier than other forms, but I never realized it was literally eating through the pipeline. I surely wouldn't want to live around that pipeline if it ever gives.

    that guy in Arizona Wrote: In related environmental news, I finished reading "This Changes Everything" by Naomi Klein yesterday. Big Oil also turns out to be "pretty nasty" when it comes to the environment.

    I'll have to check that out. They are pretty nasty not with the environment, but with pretty much everything they get their hands on.
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    Hi Arizona. As usual, you always supply us with detailed research into the subject. Fantastic. I have not had time yet to look them all up, but I am sure we will be well-informed by the time we read this. The Keystone Pipeline is something that seriously concerns me, and all environmentalists. The damage done by this pipeline would impact the U.S. so badly, it cannot be estimated. An 8 million year old aquifer of fresh water, cannot ever be replaced, once the poison corrosive
    tar sands oil has leaked. And facts & statistics show that it WILL LEAK. So why do the Oil companies Not Care?

    Two reasons come to mind: (1) They love money above all things & if the water gets polluted here, they will simply move somewhere else. Most of the oil companies are international, & their executives can live in any country in the world. They already have most of their money in Swiss bank accts, and other foreign depositories. They have houses in many nations, with yachts & personal airplanes to get there. They don't give a damn what pollution they cause to America. (In fact, that may be very "profitable" to them). They may go into foreign "real estate" for their next scam.

    (2) Remember that the Koch Bros got their start in the OIL business, by their daddy (Fred C.Koch), who lived in communist Russia (under Joseph Stalin) ---- and learned the business over there. After years of training & experience, Daddy Koch came home to America (Wichita, KS), & began to increase his fortune. Also, during those years, he had 2 children, who are now the famous Koch brothers. (Charles & David).

    As soon as Daddy Koch got back to the USA, (from Russia), he joined the JBS, & got on the John Birch Society National Council. This was a secret society which was established to "fight communism". But actually, its basic (covert) purpose was to destroy democracy, from within, using all kinds of covert means.
    The men at the top (like Robt Welch & Fred C. Koch) knew they were to use all means to destroy USA & its democracy, since as founder Robt Welch insisted,
    that "he did NOT believe in democracy, -- or that our Founders intended for it to be a democracy." This was printed in every edition of his member's Manual, called THE BLUE BOOK, since 1958. (So it should be easy to determine his motives for creating the subversive JBS). He wanted to takeover the GOP, as soon as possible, & then use IT, to eventually takeover the whole USA Govt... AND those with Wisdom, please NOTE - that it has happened exactly that way.

    Now, as we know, the Koch brothers "use" their communist derived money (from soviet OIL training by their father). to "rig" our elections, and to use propaganda on our radio & TV -- 24/7 --- to brain-wash our people to vote Republican. And the Republican Party has been very busy trying to subvert our govt so it is no longer functional. Remember that daddy Koch got his OIL training in "communist" Russia, & then immediately came back to USA & started up working in the
    Birch Society to subvert democracy. (Their covert operations were to brainwash gullible Americans, & put them up to actions that would unduly affect elections & policies enacted by our officials). Lest thou doubt me, I have personally MET some recruiters of the JBS, & been given one of their 3 hour lecture series, & given tons of their printed literature. They do appear to be genuine patriotic Americans, & some of them MAY BE naiive, & truly believe the hogwash they have been forced to promote to others. But the leadership DOES KNOW, & exerts total control over the members. NO DISSENT is ever allowed. No discussion or doubt.

    NOTE: Every bit of this activity of the JBS (above) --- is the Exact OPPOSITE --- of true "Democracy" -- as we know it.

    So what is the # 2 of the question (at the Top)? "Why don't the Oil companies seem to care about the total pollution of our US water?"
    The ANSWER: Because they are international crime syndicates, dedicated to none other than OIL profits, (world-wide), & they have no allegiance to the USA. In fact, many other international Oil corporations, besides the KOCH Brothers, are actively, (but covertly) working for the Communists.