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ISIS finds new ways to raise money

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  • Center Left
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    According to the story in the below link, ISIS while killing large numbers of people....... Have found that there is a profitable market for harvested organs. ISIS has also killed doctors who refused to do their part in this nasty fund raiser.

    http://www.aol.com/article/2015/02/18/how-selling-harvested-organs-could-play-into-isis-budget/21144245/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl25%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D615469
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    I think this is more media sensationalism than anything else. They will have to harvest a hell of a lot of organs if they want to make any substantial money.

    The American media is falling into ISIS' trap here. My first reaction when I saw a media report on this was 'that's bullshit.' There is no way ISIS can make the amount of money they need to continue their jihad off of harvested organs. They will have to behead thousands of individuals and harvest all of their organs immediately, find a buyer, and then somehow transport those organs to Europe or Asia without spoiling them before being transplanted into someone else.

    Our media has to stop sensationalizing ISIS propaganda pieces and actually take the time to investigate things before they report them.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    The Daily Beast, February 19, 2016: An American Ally’s Grand Mosque of Hate

    A good article on the funding of ISIS by one of our "allies" in the region, Qatar.

    "U.S. officials say Qatar has now replaced its neighbor Saudi Arabia as the source of the largest private donations to the Islamic State and al Qaeda affiliates."

    Not only does Qatar provide funding, but also in the Grand Mosque, a platform for the Jihadists to preach their hate against the west.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: I think this is more media sensationalism than anything else. They will have to harvest a hell of a lot of organs if they want to make any substantial money.

    The American media is falling into ISIS' trap here. My first reaction when I saw a media report on this was 'that's bullshit.' There is no way ISIS can make the amount of money they need to continue their jihad off of harvested organs. They will have to behead thousands of individuals and harvest all of their organs immediately, find a buyer, and then somehow transport those organs to Europe or Asia without spoiling them before being transplanted into someone else.

    Our media has to stop sensationalizing ISIS propaganda pieces and actually take the time to investigate things before they report them.
    Yes Jared; that is how the US mediaworks all the time; hype it up or "improve" the story to suit the American "herd"
  • Independent
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    Just the question: "Why do they hate the West?" I'll give a probable answer: First of all it started with the "crusades"; second we "bought/stole" their resources; third we "bribed" their leaders and made them rich; fourth we never cared about the lower classes there and how they were treated; fifth we only sent "missionairies" who made things even worse in a 95% Muslim world ( example Nigeria) ; sixt we started wars all over, also in Muslim area's ( Iraq, Afghanistan,Yemen, Mali, Somalia etc.)
    So I wonder why anyone would be surprised that they (the general population) hate us.
  • Democrat
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    Although "the West" is thought generally to mean the US of A, this war has been fought between Sunnis and Shittes for a almost a thousand years, the old Byzantine Empire was heavy involved in the pre-cursor to the First Crusade, and the shifting alliances of various Sultans and other desert leaders led to many of the subsequent Crusades and many of the forces that opposed each other actively sought out the European powers for military aid, so it is difficult to say with any clarity that the "West started the Crusades",
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote: Although "the West" is thought generally to mean the US of A, this war has been fought between Sunnis and Shittes for a almost a thousand years, the old Byzantine Empire was heavy involved in the pre-cursor to the First Crusade, and the shifting alliances of various Sultans and other desert leaders led to many of the subsequent Crusades and many of the forces that opposed each other actively sought out the European powers for military aid, so it is difficult to say with any clarity that the "West started the Crusades",
    NO JC,

    You are incorrect. It started 1500 years ago. Hagi stole Akmeds goat. The crusaders came for all the goats......the war started....and somehow in all this chaos.....they came to LA and bought up all the Liquor stores and cigar shops.....GO FIGURE.
  • Democrat
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: Although "the West" is thought generally to mean the US of A, this war has been fought between Sunnis and Shittes for a almost a thousand years, the old Byzantine Empire was heavy involved in the pre-cursor to the First Crusade, and the shifting alliances of various Sultans and other desert leaders led to many of the subsequent Crusades and many of the forces that opposed each other actively sought out the European powers for military aid, so it is difficult to say with any clarity that the "West started the Crusades",
    NO JC,

    You are incorrect. It started 1500 years ago. Hagi stole Akmeds goat. The crusaders came for all the goats......the war started....and somehow in all this chaos.....they came to LA and bought up all the Liquor stores and cigar shops.....GO FIGURE.
    I stand corrected.!!
  • Center Left
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    JC,
    I don't have much information on these tribes or religious groups. I need to do some research because I'd like to know the demographics. I know when Yemen fell the news said one group was aligned with Saudi Arabia and the other group was backed by Iran. I need to learn who is who and who they are aligned with and which side has more people. I'm hoping to find an explanation that is about three paragraphs.
  • Democrat
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    Good luck with that Tony, allegiances shift so fast and often it would be hard to track down any one cause or effect, especially when their own Faith allows for deception on certain matters of Faith. One thing I do know and that is Western Governments will never understand the true mind of an Islamic culture, and therein lies the elephant in the room.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Tony -- You won't find anything concise on tribes, but tribal allegiance is a significant factor, not only in Syria, but in all the Middle East countries. They use religion (Islam extreme doctrine) as a tool of fear and intimidation, but tribal loyalty comes before country and religion. This article is a bit long, but it helps explain things if you have the patience to read it slowly.

    E-International Relations: The Islamic State and the Arab Tribes in Eastern Syria
  • Center Left
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    Thank you Schmidt. That was very interesting but also confusing. It makes me wonder this....... If ISIS and the tribes in the east are against Bashar al-Assad, how is he still in office ? It seems like the compounds that they camp out in could be over taken with some dynamite and a bit of force. ISIS seems very capable in battling enemies so I wonder why they don't take a direct strike against al-Assad. It seems there are dozens of tribes who have been neglected and abused for a very long while.
    The original tribal confusion I had was about the Shiites and Sunnis but it seems much more complex than just those two groups. I can't imagine how the coalition making air strikes even know who is who ?????
  • Independent
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: Thank you Schmidt. That was very interesting but also confusing. It makes me wonder this....... If ISIS and the tribes in the east are against Bashar al-Assad, how is he still in office ? It seems like the compounds that they camp out in could be over taken with some dynamite and a bit of force. ISIS seems very capable in battling enemies so I wonder why they don't take a direct strike against al-Assad. It seems there are dozens of tribes who have been neglected and abused for a very long while.
    The original tribal confusion I had was about the Shiites and Sunnis but it seems much more complex than just those two groups. I can't imagine how the coalition making air strikes even know who is who ?????
    Tony, your last line says it all; indeed we are a Western culture which does not know who is who in this world; but lets throw some bombs that solves everything. Hallejuja.
  • Independent
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    On the news ISIS "got" a new load of US supplied weapons in Anbar province; "good deal" then at least we don't have sell these to "dictators" again. But at least McCain and his lobby buddies will be happy and drink to it.