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  • Center Left Democrat
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    My wife and I saw "Selma" last weekend, and thoroughly enjoyed the movie. However, I was appalled at the fact that our local theater only had 2 showings a day for the movie, one at 9:30 a.m. (which we saw) and the other at 10:15 p.m.. It's a movie that I wish everyone in America could see, but that's just ain't gonna happen. A few days after we saw it, it went to one showing a day (at 10:15 p.m)., and a few days later, it disappeared altogether. There ARE still a FEW places in Arizona where the movie can be seen, but Flagstaff isn't one of them.

    In contrast, "America Sniper" still has multiple showings each day, including 4 in Flagstaff.

    After reading Gail Collins' column of February 5, I had mixed emotions about seeing the movie. She used phrases like;

    "But it also eulogizes the killing of Iraq insurgents, including children, and critics feel it ought to be put in the context of an invasion that didn’t need to happen in the first place "

    "This is, by virtually any standard, insane behavior."

    "“American Sniper” is on one, supremely obvious level, a celebration of gun culture."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/opinion/gail-collins-american-sniper-moral.html

    However, we decided to see it yesterday afternoon, and I'm glad that we went.

    My take on the movie is (1) there ARE still many places in America where it's perfectly normal for fathers and sons to go hunting together, and that has little to do with "celebrating the gun culture" (2) being a members of the Armed Forces (even in wars that should never have been started) is a very stressful experience, and may involved killing children who are armed with weapons (which was also true in Vietnam (3) an overwhelming number of the Muslims in the world are peace-loving people, but there IS a tiny fraction of them to whom the word "savages" is a very apt description.

    "Savages", incidentally also can apply to members of OUR society, since it was not unusual for the KKK to burn African-Americans alive in the early part of the 20th century.

    The message that was the strongest to me was its treatment of PTSD, an all too common experience for the folks who have participated in wars, and that subject will likely start coming up a lot more in Stephenville, Texas, where the trial of Eddie Ray Routh started this week.. Although Rouith's mother had asked Chris Kyle to help her son, Kyle exhibited EXTREMELY poor judgement by allowing a troubled drug user who was suffering from PTSD,and taking anti-psychotic medicine to get anywhere near a gun., especially in view of the fact that he had been admitted to a psychiatric hospital on at least two occasions.

    The link below provides more details about his "mental state":

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/12/us/eddie-ray-routh-on-trial-in-chris-kyle-murder.html?mabReward=R6&action=click&pgtype=Homepage®ion=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

    The trial that just began is another prime example of "life imitating art".

    The movie depicts some awfully bizarre behavior, and that's also starting to show up in the town of Stephenville. The local newspaper has received a bomb threat, which has caused the town to spend roughly $1,000,000 for security around the courthouse where the trial will be held. Almost immediately outside the courthouse is a life sized statue of "Moo La" which was erected in 1972 to celebrate the county's status, in 1972, as being the state's top milk producer.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/10/us/trial-in-killing-of-chris-kyle-american-sniper-model-sets-town-on-edge.html

    In Texas, it's perfectly legal to carry a concealed weapon into the state capitol building, which led to some bizarre behavior on the part of some members of
    Open Carry Tarrant County:

    One particularly bouncy group, Open Carry Tarrant County, flooded the office of Representative Poncho Nevárez, a non-supportive Democrat. A video of the ensuing scene showed Nevárez, looking extremely wary, asking the demonstrators to leave his office, while one of them yelled back: “I’m asking you to leave my state.” When Nevárez tried to close his door, one of the protesters stuck his foot in it. This was all happening, remember, in a building where carrying concealed weapons is perfectly fine.

    When it was all over, some legislators in both parties wore “I’m Poncho” badges in solidarity with Nevárez, who was assigned a security detail after he and his family received threats.

    The leader of Open Carry Tarrant County, Kory Watkins, then posted another video in which he claimed that the resistant lawmakers were forgetting their duty was “to protect the Constitution. And let me remind you: Going against the Constitution is treason. And treason is punishable by death.”
  • Independent
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: My wife and I saw "Selma" last weekend, and thoroughly enjoyed the movie. However, I was appalled at the fact that our local theater only had 2 showings a day for the movie, one at 9:30 a.m. (which we saw) and the other at 10:15 p.m.. It's a movie that I wish everyone in America could see, but that's just ain't gonna happen. A few days after we saw it, it went to one showing a day (at 10:15 p.m)., and a few days later, it disappeared altogether. There ARE still a FEW places in Arizona where the movie can be seen, but Flagstaff isn't one of them.

    In contract, "America Sniper" still has multiple showings each day, including 4 in Flagstaff.

    After reading Gail Collins' column of February 5, I had mixed emotions about seeing the movie. She used phrases like;

    "But it also eulogizes the killing of Iraq insurgents, including children, and critics feel it ought to be put in the context of an invasion that didn’t need to happen in the first place "

    "This is, by virtually any standard, insane behavior."

    "“American Sniper” is on one, supremely obvious level, a celebration of gun culture."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/05/opinion/gail-collins-american-sniper-moral.html

    However, we decided to see it yesterday afternoon, and I'm glad that we went.

    My take on the movie is (1) there ARE still many places in America where it's perfectly normal for fathers and sons to go hunting together, and that has little to do with "celebrating the gun culture" (2) being a members of the Armed Forces (even in wars that should never have been started) is a very stressful experience, and may involved killing children who are armed with weapons (which was also true in Vietnam (3) an overwhelming number of the Muslims in the world are peace-loving people, but there IS a tiny fraction of them to whom the word "savages" is a very apt description.

    "Savages", incidentally also can apply to members of OUR society, since it was not unusual for the KKK to burn African-Americans alive in the early part of the 20th century.

    The message that was the strongest to me was its treatment of PTSD, an all too common experience for the folks who have participated in wars, and that subject will likely start coming up a lot more in Stephenville, Texas, where the trial of Eddie Ray Routh started this week.. Although Rouith's mother had asked Chris Kyle to help her son, Kyle exhibited EXTREMELY poor judgement by allowing a troubled drug user who was suffering from PTSD,and taking anti-psychotic medicine to get anywhere near a gun., especially in view of the fact that he had been admitted to a psychiatric hospital on at least two occasions.

    The link below provides more details about his "mental state":

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/12/us/eddie-ray-routh-on-trial-in-chris-kyle-murder.html?mabReward=R6&action=click&pgtype=Homepage®ion=CColumn&module=Recommendation&src=rechp&WT.nav=RecEngine

    The trial that just began is another prime example of "life imitating art".

    The movie depicts some awfully bizarre behavior, and that's also starting to show up in the town of Stephenville. The local newspaper has received a bomb threat, which has caused the town to spend roughly $1,000,000 for security around the courthouse where the trial will be held. Almost immediately outside the courthouse is a life sized statue of "Moo La" which was erected in 1972 to celebrate the county's status, in 1972, as being the state's top milk producer.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/10/us/trial-in-killing-of-chris-kyle-american-sniper-model-sets-town-on-edge.html

    In Texas, it's perfectly legal to carry a concealed weapon into the state capitol building, which led to some bizarre behavior on the part of some members of
    Open Carry Tarrant County:

    One particularly bouncy group, Open Carry Tarrant County, flooded the office of Representative Poncho Nevárez, a non-supportive Democrat. A video of the ensuing scene showed Nevárez, looking extremely wary, asking the demonstrators to leave his office, while one of them yelled back: “I’m asking you to leave my state.” When Nevárez tried to close his door, one of the protesters stuck his foot in it. This was all happening, remember, in a building where carrying concealed weapons is perfectly fine.

    When it was all over, some legislators in both parties wore “I’m Poncho” badges in solidarity with Nevárez, who was assigned a security detail after he and his family received threats.

    The leader of Open Carry Tarrant County, Kory Watkins, then posted another video in which he claimed that the resistant lawmakers were forgetting their duty was “to protect the Constitution. And let me remind you: Going against the Constitution is treason. And treason is punishable by death.”
    Guy an excellent description on how nuts this country has become; not only at "home" this is reflected but also outside with our foreign policies; it never used to be that way when I came here in 1986.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    A topic that Gail Collins touched on lightly in her article about "American Sniper" was the fact that the war in Iraq was one that we never should have been involved with in the first place .

    President Obama was recently asked about his "Doctrine of Weakness" by a FOX "news" reporter, and gave an excellent response about the PROPER use of military force:

    http://www.greenvillegazette.com/see-obama-brilliantly-destroy-a-foxnews-news-reporter-over-loaded-question/?fb=14

    Although Saddam Hussein was certainly a bad guy, it's not always necessary to go to war to get rid of a bad guy. Muammar Gaddafi ruled Libya with an iron fist for 42 years, yet was toppled from power with very little cost on the part of the United States:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/20/gaddafi-death-leaves-libya-crossroads

    The pretense for starting the war in Iraq was "weapons of mass destruction", which turned out to not be true at all As of last March, the war in Iraq had cost us more than $2 TRILLION dollars (which includes nearly $500 billion in benefits to war veterans). If you factor in the interest on the money that was borrowed to finance the war, the true cost is closer to $6 TRILLION dollars.

    As of May of 2012, 4425 members of the United States Armed Forces had died in Iraq, and over 30,000 were wounded:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    Like Iraq, the war in Vietnam was a war that was started under false pretenses (via the Gulf of Tonkin resolution). As of December of 2014, 58,303 Americans had been killed in Vietnam.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    The Congressional Research Service analyzed the cost of virtually all of our wars in 2010. As of that date, the war in Vietnam had cost us $111 billion in current year dollars, but $738 billion when adjusted for inflation:

    https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

    Not all wars that we start under false pretenses turn out badly for us, and it may surprise you to know that one of those wars was the Spanish-American war.

    On this day in 1898, the battleship Maine exploded in the Havana harbor. Although a Naval Court of Inquiry determined that the ship had been blown up by a mine in the harbor, they did not directly blame Spain for the explosion. Most of Congress, and most of the American people, quickly placed the blame on Spain, and war was declared in April of 1898. Within 3 months, the United States had defeated the Spanish on land and at sea, and armistice was declared.
    The Treaty of Paris that was signed on December 12, 1898 officially ended the war, and gave the Untied States the Spanish territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Phillipines. . Beyond the 260 men who were killed on the ship, only 3549 Americans died in the war.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-maine-explodes

    http://www.spanamwar.com/casualties.htm

    The true cause of the Maine explosion?

    In 1976, another team of naval investigators determined that the Maine explosion was likely caused by a fire that ignited its ammunition stocks, not by a Spanish mine or an act of sabotage.
  • Independent
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: A topic that Gail Collins touched on lightly in her article about "American Sniper" was the fact that the war in Iraq was one that we never should have been involved with in the first place .

    President Obama was recently asked about his "Doctrine of Weakness" by a FOX "news" reporter, and gave an excellent response about the PROPER use of military force:

    http://www.greenvillegazette.com/see-obama-brilliantly-destroy-a-foxnews-news-reporter-over-loaded-question/?fb=14

    Although Saddam Hussein was certainly a bad guy, it's not always necessary to go to war to get rid of a bad guy. Muammar Gaddafi ruled Libya with an iron fist for 42 years, yet was toppled from power with very little cost on the part of the United States:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/20/gaddafi-death-leaves-libya-crossroads

    The pretense for starting the war in Iraq was "weapons of mass destruction", which turned out to not be true at all As of last March, the war in Iraq had cost us more than $2 TRILLION dollars (which includes nearly $500 billion in benefits to war veterans). If you factor in the interest on the money that was borrowed to finance the war, the true cost is closer to $6 TRILLION dollars.

    As of May of 2012, 4425 members of the United States Armed Forces had died in Iraq, and over 30,000 were wounded:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    Like Iraq, the war in Vietnam was a war that was started under false pretenses (via the Gulf of Tonkin resolution). As of December of 2014, 58,303 Americans had been killed in Vietnam.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    The Congressional Research Service analyzed the cost of virtually all of our wars in 2010. As of that date, the war in Vietnam had cost us $111 billion in current year dollars, but $738 billion when adjusted for inflation:

    https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

    Not all wars that we start under false pretenses turn out badly for us, and it may surprise you to know that one of those wars was the Spanish-American war.

    On this day in 1898, the battleship Maine exploded in the Havana harbor. Although a Naval Court of Inquiry determined that the ship had been blown up by a mine in the harbor, they did not directly blame Spain for the explosion. Most of Congress, and most of the American people, quickly placed the blame on Spain, and war was declared in April of 1898. Within 3 months, the United States had defeated the Spanish on land and at sea, and armistice was declared.
    The Treaty of Paris that was signed on December 12, 1898 officially ended the war, and gave the Untied States the Spanish territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Phillipines. . Beyond the 260 men who were killed on the ship, only 3549 Americans died in the war.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-maine-explodes

    http://www.spanamwar.com/casualties.htm

    The true cause of the Maine explosion?

    In 1976, another team of naval investigators determined that the Maine explosion was likely caused by a fire that ignited its ammunition stocks, not by a Spanish mine or an act of sabotage.
    Again Guy a very good piece; however Washington and the majority of the US don't care that we did spent all the trillions; which would had been fantastic to create a nice developped clean well cared for prosperous country if we could have spent it on infrastructure and the poor. No one even blinks it seems; we are continuing on the same path for a long time to come. Ridiculous country for sure.WAKE UP AMERICA
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    Dutch Wrote:
    that guy in Arizona Wrote: A topic that Gail Collins touched on lightly in her article about "American Sniper" was the fact that the war in Iraq was one that we never should have been involved with in the first place .

    President Obama was recently asked about his "Doctrine of Weakness" by a FOX "news" reporter, and gave an excellent response about the PROPER use of military force:

    http://www.greenvillegazette.com/see-obama-brilliantly-destroy-a-foxnews-news-reporter-over-loaded-question/?fb=14

    Although Saddam Hussein was certainly a bad guy, it's not always necessary to go to war to get rid of a bad guy. Muammar Gaddafi ruled Libya with an iron fist for 42 years, yet was toppled from power with very little cost on the part of the United States:

    http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/oct/20/gaddafi-death-leaves-libya-crossroads

    The pretense for starting the war in Iraq was "weapons of mass destruction", which turned out to not be true at all As of last March, the war in Iraq had cost us more than $2 TRILLION dollars (which includes nearly $500 billion in benefits to war veterans). If you factor in the interest on the money that was borrowed to finance the war, the true cost is closer to $6 TRILLION dollars.

    As of May of 2012, 4425 members of the United States Armed Forces had died in Iraq, and over 30,000 were wounded:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    Like Iraq, the war in Vietnam was a war that was started under false pretenses (via the Gulf of Tonkin resolution). As of December of 2014, 58,303 Americans had been killed in Vietnam.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

    The Congressional Research Service analyzed the cost of virtually all of our wars in 2010. As of that date, the war in Vietnam had cost us $111 billion in current year dollars, but $738 billion when adjusted for inflation:

    https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RS22926.pdf

    Not all wars that we start under false pretenses turn out badly for us, and it may surprise you to know that one of those wars was the Spanish-American war.

    On this day in 1898, the battleship Maine exploded in the Havana harbor. Although a Naval Court of Inquiry determined that the ship had been blown up by a mine in the harbor, they did not directly blame Spain for the explosion. Most of Congress, and most of the American people, quickly placed the blame on Spain, and war was declared in April of 1898. Within 3 months, the United States had defeated the Spanish on land and at sea, and armistice was declared.
    The Treaty of Paris that was signed on December 12, 1898 officially ended the war, and gave the Untied States the Spanish territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Phillipines. . Beyond the 260 men who were killed on the ship, only 3549 Americans died in the war.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-maine-explodes

    http://www.spanamwar.com/casualties.htm

    The true cause of the Maine explosion?

    In 1976, another team of naval investigators determined that the Maine explosion was likely caused by a fire that ignited its ammunition stocks, not by a Spanish mine or an act of sabotage.
    Again Guy a very good piece; however Washington and the majority of the US don't care that we did spent all the trillions; which would had been fantastic to create a nice developped clean well cared for prosperous country if we could have spent it on infrastructure and the poor. No one even blinks it seems; we are continuing on the same path for a long time to come. Ridiculous country for sure.WAKE UP AMERICA
    Great point Dutch, but you know full well that Boehner and crew would NEVER approve even any part of those trillions to our own infrastructure repairs. Obama has been trying to get that done for years, and no movement from the House at all.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    the term "lowest common denominator" refers to the fact that products and operating instructions have to be written so that even the least intelligent among us can understand them ..

    obviously, that's why all those rednecks in the South keep voting for the Republican Party, even though it's not to their advantage to do so ..

    that "lowest common denominator" factor also applies to our common culture, which explains FOX "news" viewership, as well as to the movies that we see

    "Selma" is a movie that portrays one of the most historically significant events of the last 50 years, but it got limited showing in local theaters .. it initially only had 2 shows a day in Flagstaff (one of which was 10:15 at night) but disappeared altogether in less than 2 weeks .. none of the Harkins theaters in the state of Arizona have any showings at all anymore, but American Sniper still has lots of shows a day, including 5 a day in Flagstaff, and several Harkins theaters still have 6 shows a day

    in addition to Selma, another picture that was nominated for Best Picture was recently playing in Flagstaff

    "The Imitation Game" is the story of the British team that cracked the Nazi code .. in Winston Churchill opinion, Alan Turing (the head of the project) probably helped the Allies win WWII

    I had planned to see it this week in Flagstaff, but discovered this morning that it is no longer playing here at all ..

    there are numerous Harkins theaters in Arizona that are still showing the movie, but the closest theater to here is 100 miles away, where it is shown twice a day (once at 10:00 at night)

    the movies that have the most showings this weekend in Flagstaff are " Fifty Shades of Gray", which has 9 shows a day, and "Kingsman: the Secret Service", which has 10

    "Fifty Shades of Gray' carries an R rating for strong sexual content including dialogue, some unusual behavior and graphic nudity, and for language

    "Kingsman" is based on "an acclaimed comic book" .. it's also rated R due to for sequences of strong violence, language and some sexual content


    it's fairly apparent that movies featuring sex and/or violence are going to continue to be popular at local theaters, but if you're looking for movies that are intellectually stimulating or historically significant, you'd better see them within a day or two of their release into local theaters ...
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    that guy in Arizona Wrote: the term "lowest common denominator" refers to the fact that products and operating instructions have to be written so that even the least intelligent among us can understand them ..

    obviously, that's why all those rednecks in the South keep voting for the Republican Party, even though it's not to their advantage to do so ..

    that "lowest common denominator" factor also applies to our common culture, which explains FOX "news" viewership, as well as to the movies that we see

    "Selma" is a movie that portrays one of the most historically significant events of the last 50 years, but it got limited showing in local theaters .. it initially only had 2 shows a day in Flagstaff (one of which was 10:15 at night) but disappeared altogether in less than 2 weeks .. none of the Harkins theaters in the state of Arizona have any showings at all anymore, but American Sniper still has lots of shows a day, including 5 a day in Flagstaff, and several Harkins theaters still have 6 shows a day

    in addition to Selma, another picture that was nominated for Best Picture was recently playing in Flagstaff

    "The Imitation Game" is the story of the British team that cracked the Nazi code .. in Winston Churchill opinion, Alan Turing (the head of the project) probably helped the Allies win WWII

    I had planned to see it this week in Flagstaff, but discovered this morning that it is no longer playing here at all ..

    there are numerous Harkins theaters in Arizona that are still showing the movie, but the closest theater to here is 100 miles away, where it is shown twice a day (once at 10:00 at night)

    the movies that have the most showings this weekend in Flagstaff are " Fifty Shades of Gray", which has 9 shows a day, and "Kingsman: the Secret Service", which has 10

    "Fifty Shades of Gray' carries an R rating for strong sexual content including dialogue, some unusual behavior and graphic nudity, and for language

    "Kingsman" is based on "an acclaimed comic book" .. it's also rated R due to for sequences of strong violence, language and some sexual content


    it's fairly apparent that movies featuring sex and/or violence are going to continue to be popular at local theaters, but if you're looking for movies that are intellectually stimulating or historically significant, you'd better see them within a day or two of their release into local theaters ...
    Guy, it should be clear to you that our education system is a total failure as well as our "media" who only spews out "sniper" like movies; the more" killing" as the "good" guy the better return on investment. Intelligence is optional here; or is only used to make "gadgets" which "sell"; everything here is geared to make "money" not to make this a better planet for everyone. "Greed" is king here, not "brains" or honest culture.
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    Dutch it's not the educational system that has failed, as such, it's the parents and religious nuts on school boards that want to indoctrinate their kids in what they believe, rather than the truth.

    For example, the many so called "Christian" schools in this country that are really nothing more than fronts for bigotry and hate towards anyone who is the sligest bit different from them, especially in skin color!

    Rick Perry spoke for many of them when he said Texas teaches Creationism alongside Evolution so the students can "choose for themselves"! I. E, choose to either be educated or believe in fantasy and fairy tales.
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    pgr Wrote: Dutch it's not the educational system that has failed, as such, it's the parents and religious nuts on school boards that want to indoctrinate their kids in what they believe, rather than the truth.

    For example, the many so called "Christian" schools in this country that are really nothing more than fronts for bigotry and hate towards anyone who is the sligest bit different from them, especially in skin color!

    Rick Perry spoke for many of them when he said Texas teaches Creationism alongside Evolution so the students can "choose for themselves"! I. E, choose to either be educated or believe in fantasy and fairy tales.
    I say the US Air Force should carpet bomb Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, West virginia, Oklahoma, Arkansas...and the pan handle of Florida....all the way down...just short of Tampa.....OH,...and my favorite...KENTUCKY
    I'm still undecided about Arizona.....No, the hell with it...Arizona and Nevada.
    HEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWW Hang'em Bubba
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    pgr Wrote: Dutch it's not the educational system that has failed, as such, it's the parents and religious nuts on school boards that want to indoctrinate their kids in what they believe, rather than the truth.

    For example, the many so called "Christian" schools in this country that are really nothing more than fronts for bigotry and hate towards anyone who is the sligest bit different from them, especially in skin color!

    Rick Perry spoke for many of them when he said Texas teaches Creationism alongside Evolution so the students can "choose for themselves"! I. E, choose to either be educated or believe in fantasy and fairy tales.
    I say the US Air Force should carpet bomb Texas, Mississippi, Alabama, West virginia, Oklahoma, Arkansas...and the pan handle of Florida....all the way down...just short of Tampa.....OH,...and my favorite...KENTUCKY
    I'm still undecided about Arizona.....No, the hell with it...Arizona and Nevada.
    HEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWW Hang'em Bubba
    L.A. that is impossible! Why? because all our bombs are used -up in Iraq and hundreds of other places; so the only thing you can do is drop "concrete bibles" by balloon ( no planes available either; F35's cost too much to fly) but the problem is all that weight won't lift the balloon either, so end of story.
  • Liberal
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    You forgot Idaho, Montana, N & S Dakota, Utah, Kansas, parts of Colorado and Nebraska. Oh, Tennessee and Goergia, not to leave out N & S Carolina either!
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Oh please not Colorado Springs, home to James Dobson's Focus on the Family, and Ted Haggard's New Life Church (until he was fired for...??); and now we have elected Pastor Gordon Klingenschmitt to our state legislature. He's famous for claiming he performed an exorcism on President Obama.

    So leave my city off your map...
  • Liberal
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    I said parts of Colorado just for you;)
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    pgr Wrote: I said parts of Colorado just for you;)
    I get the picture; more and more states are dragged into " to be bombed", so if L.A. has its way then half the country is in ruins. Do we really want that?
    My guess is leave that up to "nature"; look at all the snow and cold, or may be later hurricanes/flooding that will take care of it.

    But I still wonder about the "gene's" of people in these states; were they changed because of "fungus" in their brains?
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    The fact that this guy wrote a one-sided book about his patriotic duty to kill anyone that looked suspicious, including many children, does not make him any kind of hero to me. People that worked with him in the military don't have very nice things to say about him. This movie is pure propaganda for the military, industrial, corporate, triumvirate - axis of evil, if you will. And yes, I did, out of curiosity, see the movie. I also saw The Theory of Everything, which is a much better movie.

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