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term limits for congress

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  • Democrat
    Saint Amant, LA
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    Isn't it way past time that we push for term limits for congress? I watched the presidents address and a lot of these guys couldn't stand up on their own. This is a sad thing, do we not need new blood in congress? Maybe they would get things done and quit fighting if they only had say a limit of 12 years to serve. I feel that is way past time for this issue to be put on the ballot for american voters to look at.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    We can only force term limits if we figure out a way to stop the revolving door in Washington. Instituting term limits without tackling that problem will only exasperate our current problems.

    Think of it this way--a member of the Senate Banking committee term is up in a few years and can't run for reelection again. This member knows they have a massive pay check coming their way in a few years because a major bank will be offering them a plum lobbying job. Do you think this Senator will work for the common good of 'the people' or make decisions based on what their future employer would want?

    Term limits sound like a great thing, but how long a member serves in Congress is not the problem. The problem is money in politics and the fact that corporations have literally bought our Federal Government. No term limit law is going to change that, but it could make our current problems much worse.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We can only force term limits if we figure out a way to stop the revolving door in Washington. Instituting term limits without tackling that problem will only exasperate our current problems.

    Think of it this way--a member of the Senate Banking committee term is up in a few years and can't run for reelection again. This member knows they have a massive pay check coming their way in a few years because a major bank will be offering them a plum lobbying job. Do you think this Senator will work for the common good of 'the people' or make decisions based on what their future employer would want?

    Term limits sound like a great thing, but how long a member serves in Congress is not the problem. The problem is money in politics and the fact that corporations have literally bought our Federal Government. No term limit law is going to change that, but it could make our current problems much worse.
    Absolutely right; pls see my other thread about what McCain has done!! Indeed our country is run by the lobbyists; indeed term limits will only work if "money" in elections and "lobbying" are considered criminal with huge jail terms.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    This thread is a day dream. Everyone realizes that we should have term limits but WE NEVER WILL. The fools we want to limit are the ones who would have to approve it. Not gonna happen. End of story. While we're at it........ we should get rid of lobbyist also. OOPS, another day dream.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Term limits are more effectively done when the ballot box is used, but this country thinks it's a big deal if half of the electorate votes in any election and this why we get an entrenched permanent political class in Washington ,D.C.,party affiliation be damned.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: This thread is a day dream. Everyone realizes that we should have term limits but WE NEVER WILL. The fools we want to limit are the ones who would have to approve it. Not gonna happen. End of story. While we're at it........ we should get rid of lobbyist also. OOPS, another day dream.
    I think the problem is much, much deeper. Politics is now seen as a means to an end. Many (not all, but a good chunk) of people seem to get into politics as a stepping stone to their next job. So in that respect, term limits would be a terrible thing. The Congressman or Senator would know their end date and therefore the date they start their big gig at a major lobbying firm or plum management job in an industry they had oversight of during their tenure in Congress.

    The fools we want to limit don't necessarily have to be the ones who would have to approve term limits, but it's extremely difficult for 'the people' to do it ourselves. Article V of the Constitution lays out how we can pass a Constitutional Amendment without Congressional approval. Two-thirds (34) of the states would have to call for a convention of the states. Then those states would have to agree on the language of an Amendment and three-fourths (38) of the state legislatures would have to vote in the affirmative of the amendment or in a state ratifying convention. So...it's extremely difficult, but not impossible!

    Lobbyists are another thing. Lobbying has been around in America since the Continental Congress. Some lobbying is good--like those lobbying for women's rights, the poor, immigrant rights, and so forth. Other lobbying is a bane on our society. Unfortunately, those lobbyists are the ones who make a shit ton of money and have an unhealthy amount of power. They literally write bills that are signed into law by the people who represent us and are unapologetic about doing so. How do we write a law forcing them out without also forcing out the advocates for women, the poor, immigrants, and every other group that actually wants to do good in this world? It's a really tough question and one that I honestly don't have a good answer for.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Tony Johnson Wrote: This thread is a day dream. Everyone realizes that we should have term limits but WE NEVER WILL. The fools we want to limit are the ones who would have to approve it. Not gonna happen. End of story. While we're at it........ we should get rid of lobbyist also. OOPS, another day dream.
    I think the problem is much, much deeper. Politics is now seen as a means to an end. Many (not all, but a good chunk) of people seem to get into politics as a stepping stone to their next job. So in that respect, term limits would be a terrible thing. The Congressman or Senator would know their end date and therefore the date they start their big gig at a major lobbying firm or plum management job in an industry they had oversight of during their tenure in Congress.

    The fools we want to limit don't necessarily have to be the ones who would have to approve term limits, but it's extremely difficult for 'the people' to do it ourselves. Article V of the Constitution lays out how we can pass a Constitutional Amendment without Congressional approval. Two-thirds (34) of the states would have to call for a convention of the states. Then those states would have to agree on the language of an Amendment and three-fourths (38) of the state legislatures would have to vote in the affirmative of the amendment or in a state ratifying convention. So...it's extremely difficult, but not impossible!

    Lobbyists are another thing. Lobbying has been around in America since the Continental Congress. Some lobbying is good--like those lobbying for women's rights, the poor, immigrant rights, and so forth. Other lobbying is a bane on our society. Unfortunately, those lobbyists are the ones who make a shit ton of money and have an unhealthy amount of power. They literally write bills that are signed into law by the people who represent us and are unapologetic about doing so. How do we write a law forcing them out without also forcing out the advocates for women, the poor, immigrants, and every other group that actually wants to do good in this world? It's a really tough question and one that I honestly don't have a good answer for.
    Jared, I hate to say this, but you are right again; in other words this country is doomed.