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  • Liberal Democrat
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    NBC News, February 5, 2015: At Prayer Breakfast, Obama Decries 'Distortions' of Faith to Justify Violence

    President Obama makes a short speech each year at the Annual Prayer Breakfast. Here our some excerpts from his speech today:

    "We see faith driving us to do right," he said. "But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, being used as a wedge - or worse, sometimes used as a weapon." Calling the Islamic terror group known as ISIS or ISIL "a brutal, vicious death cult," Obama noted that its extremists oppress minorities and rape women in the name of religion. And, he said, any faith can be "twisted" by humans to justify acts of injustice and violence. "There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency, that can pervert and distort our faith," he said.

    That was received okay, but then he said this and created a firestorm on Twitter:

    "Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," he added. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

    President Obama spoke truthfully. The Christian Crusade and the Inquisition were brutal against Jews and Muslims. And the atrocities conducted against African Americans by so called Christians are well documented. Those Christians that are criticizing and condemning Obama for his remarks want to deny history rather than learn from it.
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    I personally CAN'T WAIT for the POPE to come speak to our Congress next September. I wonder how many of our US federal employees will find an excuse to be absentee on that day: ) Can you even "imagine" any of the GOP -- "going to confession"? (ha ha) EACH ONE would take at least a WEEK to get done listing all THEIR sins. But to get a little bit serious --- Maybe having a "true man of God" -- instead of those corn pone "fake" preachers that the right-wing usually panders to, may be a very enlightening experience. Finally, they may hear the TRUTH, - & it will set them free.
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    i can't wait for the national prayer breakfast to go the way of the dodo.

    i can't wait for the roman church to turn every accused priest/bishop and those involved in cover-up over to law enforcement for investigation and trial.

    i can't wait for the roman church to get over its obsession with sex.
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    lonely bird Wrote: i can't wait for the national prayer breakfast to go the way of the dodo.

    i can't wait for the roman church to turn every accused priest/bishop and those involved in cover-up over to law enforcement for investigation and trial.

    i can't wait for the roman church to get over its obsession with sex.
    Lonely; great. I can't wait till Jesus comes back; he'll have to learn to drive and use a computer as well learn English and shed his goatskin underwear and learn to use condoms if he runs around with guys only. Also has to learn to shoot an AK47; but since he'll have to arrive from heaven he will have to be screened at a not yet created heavenly airport. Isis will be waiting for him so he'll need CIA protection But I guess he will be in a hurry to get back into outerspace if he sees the "church" mess here. Hallejuja!!!
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    Schmidt Wrote: NBC News, February 5, 2015: At Prayer Breakfast, Obama Decries 'Distortions' of Faith to Justify Violence

    President Obama makes a short speech each year at the Annual Prayer Breakfast. Here our some excerpts from his speech today:

    "We see faith driving us to do right," he said. "But we also see faith being twisted and distorted, being used as a wedge - or worse, sometimes used as a weapon." Calling the Islamic terror group known as ISIS or ISIL "a brutal, vicious death cult," Obama noted that its extremists oppress minorities and rape women in the name of religion. And, he said, any faith can be "twisted" by humans to justify acts of injustice and violence. "There is a tendency in us, a sinful tendency, that can pervert and distort our faith," he said.

    That was received okay, but then he said this and created a firestorm on Twitter:

    "Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," he added. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

    President Obama spoke truthfully. The Christian Crusade and the Inquisition were brutal against Jews and Muslims. And the atrocities conducted against African Americans by so called Christians are well documented. Those Christians that are criticizing and condemning Obama for his remarks want to deny history rather than learn from it.
    Schmidt; did they ever make a study about the "results" of this nonsense; does our governmement gets any benefit from it. Does "it" up there now all of a sudden help this country because it "prays" Wow.
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    Schmidt Wrote: "Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," he added. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

    President Obama spoke truthfully. The Christian Crusade and the Inquisition were brutal against Jews and Muslims. And the atrocities conducted against African Americans by so called Christians are well documented. Those Christians that are criticizing and condemning Obama for his remarks want to deny history rather than learn from it.
    It's very difficult for many Americans to accept that our nation used to have government sanctioned terrorism for hundreds of years and even more difficult for them to admit that Christianity was used as its justification.

    We had one hundred years of Jim Crow laws in this country where thousands of innocent black people were burned alive or lynched. Many of those responsible for those horrendous crimes as still alive today. How in the world can anyone who has an elementary understanding of American history sit back and judge what ISIS is doing when we were doing the same thing just a few decades ago?

    We can not forget that Jim Crow was the law of the land until the 1960's. Many people who participate on this website were alive when blacks were being burned alive and lynched from a tree in this very country. It's unfortunate that so many people think we have some moral high ground when it comes to judging the rest of the world and feel the need to criticize our President for having the audacity to remind Americans of some of our past heinous acts.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: "Lest we get on our high horse and think this is unique to some other place, remember that during the Crusades and the Inquisition, people committed terrible deeds in the name of Christ," he added. "In our home country, slavery and Jim Crow all too often was justified in the name of Christ."

    President Obama spoke truthfully. The Christian Crusade and the Inquisition were brutal against Jews and Muslims. And the atrocities conducted against African Americans by so called Christians are well documented. Those Christians that are criticizing and condemning Obama for his remarks want to deny history rather than learn from it.
    It's very difficult for many Americans to accept that our nation used to have government sanctioned terrorism for hundreds of years and even more difficult for them to admit that Christianity was used as its justification.

    We had one hundred years of Jim Crow laws in this country where thousands of innocent black people were burned alive or lynched. Many of those responsible for those horrendous crimes as still alive today. How in the world can anyone who has an elementary understanding of American history sit back and judge what ISIS is doing when we were doing the same thing just a few decades ago?

    We can not forget that Jim Crow was the law of the land until the 1960's. Many people who participate on this website were alive when blacks were being burned alive and lynched from a tree in this very country. It's unfortunate that so many people think we have some moral high ground when it comes to judging the rest of the world and feel the need to criticize our President for having the audacity to remind Americans of some of our past heinous acts.
    Don't forget all the Indians who got murdered as well our chemical warfare in Vietnam.etc.and torture of prisoners in Iraq and Guantamo Bay.
    Love those hypocrites who sing in church and expect that "something up there" blesses this country.
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    So every Nation at one time or another committed horrible crimes against humanity, ether by using faith or politics as the a reason but it still does not justify or minimize what ISIS is doing now, but by trying to explain this deed by referencing past crimes by other nations is not relevant but it gives the impression of deflection of what is truly going on, you would not reference Hitler killing Jews by saying Moslems back in the day killed Jews as did the early Romans , so what is the big deal..
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    The big deal is that Christians, especially in America, have no problem judging every other group of people who do heinous acts, but feign outrage when someone has the gall to call them out for doing the exact same thing for thousands of years. As I said earlier--lynchings and burning at the stake went unpunished in this country until the 1960's, and these acts were justified by Christians who used the bible to back up their terrorism. How any person in this country thinks they have a right to criticize others for doing exactly what our government sanctioned only a few decades ago shows how hypocritical most Christians are. They want to judge every other group and rewrite our own history of state sanctioned terrorism for hundreds of years.
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    Funny, the irony of it all.
    If any of these historical past events never happen.....you and I never exist. The Plague, Chris Columbus, Cortez, The Inquisitions, Crusades....All of that had to happen just so we can all be here today talking about it.....Isn't that crazy? My entire existence was fathered by these events.

    Dutch...you and I are definitely going to hell. PGR is coming back as a shark. jared and Schmidt will be stuck on holding pattern while the good LORD has their cases under review....only to be denied.
    The mexican jesus will continue to heal the sick (while stealing their wallets) and life will go as it has for millions of years.....absent us of course. I hope the bunnies, the bonobo, and the roaches will all get along when they're at the helm.....because one thing that I am very confident of....."Humans won't be here"
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    johnnycee Wrote: So every Nation at one time or another committed horrible crimes against humanity, ether by using faith or politics as the a reason but it still does not justify or minimize what ISIS is doing now, but by trying to explain this deed by referencing past crimes by other nations is not relevant but it gives the impression of deflection of what is truly going on, you would not reference Hitler killing Jews by saying Moslems back in the day killed Jews as did the early Romans , so what is the big deal..
    J.C. simple: BEING HYPOCRITES
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: The big deal is that Christians, especially in America, have no problem judging every other group of people who do heinous acts, but feign outrage when someone has the gall to call them out for doing the exact same thing for thousands of years. As I said earlier--lynchings and burning at the stake went unpunished in this country until the 1960's, and these acts were justified by Christians who used the bible to back up their terrorism. How any person in this country thinks they have a right to criticize others for doing exactly what our government sanctioned only a few decades ago shows how hypocritical most Christians are. They want to judge every other group and rewrite our own history of state sanctioned terrorism for hundreds of years.
    Jared, you got it right. Thanks.
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Funny, the irony of it all.
    If any of these historical past events never happen.....you and I never exist. The Plague, Chris Columbus, Cortez, The Inquisitions, Crusades....All of that had to happen just so we can all be here today talking about it.....Isn't that crazy? My entire existence was fathered by these events.

    Dutch...you and I are definitely going to hell. PGR is coming back as a shark. jared and Schmidt will be stuck on holding pattern while the good LORD has their cases under review....only to be denied.
    The mexican jesus will continue to heal the sick (while stealing their wallets) and life will go as it has for millions of years.....absent us of course. I hope the bunnies, the bonobo, and the roaches will all get along when they're at the helm.....because one thing that I am very confident of....."Humans won't be here"
    Yes, I 'll go to hell for sure; the Pope told me so. I just bought an invisible fireproof suit, with a firemans logo on it; I filled the helmet with helium so it will float to up there, as well and keeps my dead brain high. I love this!!
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: The big deal is that Christians, especially in America, have no problem judging every other group of people who do heinous acts, but feign outrage when someone has the gall to call them out for doing the exact same thing for thousands of years. As I said earlier--lynchings and burning at the stake went unpunished in this country until the 1960's, and these acts were justified by Christians who used the bible to back up their terrorism. How any person in this country thinks they have a right to criticize others for doing exactly what our government sanctioned only a few decades ago shows how hypocritical most Christians are. They want to judge every other group and rewrite our own history of state sanctioned terrorism for hundreds of years.
    By judging a current group of Christians from a small minority of Christians as being the mind set of all Christians is somewhat judgmental on your part, the acts you describes were done by non-Christians who used the religion to satisfy their own bias, much like these terrorists of today who use the Faith of Islam to push their own personal view of Islam, neither one is correct, and it was not just in America, it's a world wide phenomenon. With the exception of Roman Catholics who get their marching orders from Rome, Christians in America have many different leaders as per the different denominations, so to judge all, which I think you are doing , under one banner is wrong. Today slavery is still practiced world wide, we here in America practice it in the form of the sex trade and of course the immigrant labor market, and those who utilize those markets are not Christians, I think they are of no faith unless there is a $ sign involved.
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote: The big deal is that Christians, especially in America, have no problem judging every other group of people who do heinous acts, but feign outrage when someone has the gall to call them out for doing the exact same thing for thousands of years. As I said earlier--lynchings and burning at the stake went unpunished in this country until the 1960's, and these acts were justified by Christians who used the bible to back up their terrorism. How any person in this country thinks they have a right to criticize others for doing exactly what our government sanctioned only a few decades ago shows how hypocritical most Christians are. They want to judge every other group and rewrite our own history of state sanctioned terrorism for hundreds of years.
    By judging a current group of Christians from a small minority of Christians as being the mind set of all Christians is somewhat judgmental on your part, the acts you describes were done by non-Christians who used the religion to satisfy their own bias, much like these terrorists of today who use the Faith of Islam to push their own personal view of Islam, neither one is correct, and it was not just in America, it's a world wide phenomenon. With the exception of Roman Catholics who get their marching orders from Rome, Christians in America have many different leaders as per the different denominations, so to judge all, which I think you are doing , under one banner is wrong. Today slavery is still practiced world wide, we here in America practice it in the form of the sex trade and of course the immigrant labor market, and those who utilize those markets are not Christians, I think they are of no faith unless there is a $ sign involved.
    JC
    Sorry, there's no such thing as "levels of crazy" you're crazy..or not crazy
    Jared is correct just by the response to Obama haters at the breakfast....How the heck can you rationalize, minimize....or have excuses for what is already fact. These christians. Sorry, there are no christians....these people need to take a basic world history course. You're attempting to minimize accountabilitry by simply shifting the argument.
    There are 2 types of religious fanatics. 1, A believer in myth (crazy) or 2. A believer that manipulates for personal or other gain (crazy) both situations both stem from ONE foundation....CRAZY

    If the banner is CHRISTIANITY....then yes, judge them all.....there is only one christianity....with millions of crazies.
    Slavery is slavery.....who cares in what manner. People practice slavery. Greedy people. All slavery is profitable. How do you attempt making the nexus between a crazy belief and and a savage who profits from illegal activity.??

    These terrorist believe in their faith CRAZY.....they are far more faithful (crazy) in their beliefs then any christian living here. the christian is still a crazy person.....he's just a pussy. He lives here in the land of gluttony. He's still crazy just a crazy coward with a nice house and a comfortable living.

    The foundation of christianity and every other religion is CRAZY.....how do you even attempt to make that argument? You cannot seperate Crazy

    "What did one sckitzo say to other??? You're crazy