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A Cornered Animal is a Dangerous Thing: Putin's Ukraine Meddling Begins Anew

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    Dutch Wrote: Jared; you've been there? Like I said they have stamina and endured hardship all the time; so we'll wait and see. Anyway the US arrogance will catch up on us; lets have some more wars and meddling that keeps the weapons industry humming.
    You should know more than anyone that I am about as 'war as a last resort' type of person as they come. No where in my previous thread did I suggest that we need to start a war with Russia. But you can't have it both ways. Some people call Obama weak and incapable of dealing with Putin. I call bullshit on that. Obama's sanctions approach has helped send Russia's economy spiraling with foreign investors fleeing faster than Usain Bolt in the 100 meter dash. That's not arrogance, but smart diplomacy that helps avoid a hot war.

    Russia isn't nearly as powerful as you're making them out to be. Putin's economy is in crisis and picking a fight with a nearly defenseless former satellite state is not a sign of power, it's a sign of weakness. It's what countless of weak leaders have done throughout history when there is trouble at home. Pick on a small, defenseless nation and get your peoples minds off your incompetence. You know-- kind of like Bush did in 2003.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared; you've been there? Like I said they have stamina and endured hardship all the time; so we'll wait and see. Anyway the US arrogance will catch up on us; lets have some more wars and meddling that keeps the weapons industry humming.
    You should know more than anyone that I am about as 'war as a last resort' type of person as they come. No where in my previous thread did I suggest that we need to pick a war with Russia. I was just pointing out the very simple fact that Russia isn't nearly as powerful as you're making them out to be. Putin's economy is in crisis and picking a fight with a nearly defenseless former satellite state is not a sign of power, it's a sign of weakness. Plain and simple.
    Like you said before; you better can have an "healthy/prosporous" nation with whom you can do bussiness, then a country on which our sanctions makes it a cornered Russian Bear . The argument that that disputed "sliver" of the Ukraine is important for the US is crazy; it is an local etnic dispute of "neighbors" . I don't see why the US should continually put its big nose into it and make things escalate. I agree with Merkel, not Obama and his "warmonger" advisors like the Pentagon/McCain etc. It is a Nato/European issue, which can be resolved there. We've got enough other issues to deal with at home and around the world; do we need any more?
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    Dutch Wrote: It is a Nato/European issue, which can be resolved there. We've got enough other issues to deal with at home and around the world; do we need any more?
    If it's a NATO issue then America is legally obligated to be involved. It is impossible to have a discussion about a war in Europe without having America involved in the conversation. That's how international treaties work.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: It is a Nato/European issue, which can be resolved there. We've got enough other issues to deal with at home and around the world; do we need any more?
    If it's a NATO issue then America is legally obligated to be involved. It is impossible to have a discussion about a war in Europe without having America involved in the conversation. That's how international treaties work.
    Sorry only if they feel the US should be involved; otherwise any dispute in the EU; and there are many with wich Brussels deals, are a EU matter. These are sovereign countries as well as the Ukraine. There is no treaty with the Ukraine. So I don't see that they are obligated to involve the US, other than they ask for it or get "pushed" into it by the US "dictatorship". "Daddy" knows best attitude. In this case the US poked their noses into it, even before the EU did. Sorry the US wants the "lead" in anything and everything in this world; one of these days it is going to backfire in a huge way; see the results in Iraq.