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A Cornered Animal is a Dangerous Thing: Putin's Ukraine Meddling Begins Anew

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    Dutch Wrote: Why is n't anyone reacting on what McCain did? Read my mail pls.
    Dutch, The reason I didn't respond to this previously was the reference to "Hitler" He was an all time evil man but his terrible reign was 70 years ago. 70 years is a lifetime ago. People will continue to reference him but I think it's time to move forward and to leave the evil German in the 1940's.
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    There's also this: Resources in the Conflict Zones of Ukraine

    "In addition to political sentiment, the area is full of economic resources such as coal and highly-productive wheat and corn fields. Ukraine would stand to lose billions of dollars worth of reserves and revenue and Russia would stand to gain them if borders were redrawn."

    Ukrainian Coal
    The pro-Russian insurrection in the eastern provinces sits directly atop a major coal deposit. The Donetsk basin in Ukraine lies under some of the towns, such as Donetsk and Luhansk, where pro-Russian forces have taken over Ukrainian government buildings.

    Ukrainian Agriculture
    Ukraine and surrounding areas has long been called the "Bread Basket" of Russia or the USSR, with its southeastern steppes providing a fertile topography for wheat. But Ukraine is also a major corn exporter as well.
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    Thanks Schmidt....... This is more (important) information.
    I think the actions of Putin are very bad. Should be considered totally unacceptable by the free world. I think the EU and USA should turn up the heat. Stop all Russians from traveling to the EU or the USA. Maybe 100% of Russian vacations this year should be to Sochi. Increase sanctions to the point where it hurts a lot. That's my thoughts.
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    I sometimes wonder if Putin is thinking of his "legacy" --- maybe the one big thing he could do, now, is to re-unite all the previous parts of Russia back together again. If our U.S. Civil War had left America divided in 2 halves (North & South) -- maybe we would crave for the day when we could re-unite them again, & erase the borders, so trade & travel would go on unhindered. Maybe Putin just wants to see his people all re-united again. ??
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    Tony Johnson Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Why is n't anyone reacting on what McCain did? Read my mail pls.
    Dutch, The reason I didn't respond to this previously was the reference to "Hitler" He was an all time evil man but his terrible reign was 70 years ago. 70 years is a lifetime ago. People will continue to reference him but I think it's time to move forward and to leave the evil German in the 1940's.
    Guess who said that: Mr McCain, not me. I consider that guy the worst example of any person in the GOP; so I'm kind of upset about that money hungry guy; can you imagine that?
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    Sorry no one seems to understand what is going on there; Tony said it right; we ( the US does not know) It is an etnic problem; not the resources as is published here ( US news is twisted all the time) I repeat what happened:

    Just on the Dutch news: McCain scolded Merkel by somehow stating that she acts like Hitler did before WWII, because she refuses that the US supplies weapons to the Ukraine. It is obvious what McCain wants ! He gets money from the war industry via our fantastic lobby system; he does not care if WWIII would start. He even claims that Merkel does not care that people get slaughtered in the Ukraine; while he does himself earns plenty of money over dead bodies all over the world.

    Merkels point is very clear; she does not want an escalation of that conflict. If we would supply wapons there; then Russia would see our meddling as an act of aggression by us at their borders, which will only increase tensions because we are then involved in a two country dispute. How is it possible that a sole stupid greedy senator can contact a foreign leader without the Presidents approval of what he is going to say or do. Is McCain running this country?

    Mr Kerry is there right now ( a Vietnam buddy of McCain) the prime minister of the Ukraine did not even wanted to shake his hand; which was shown on the Dutch news; again as always the US is brainless and makes things only worse; I support Merkel who at least knows what is involved, not our stupid greedy politicians.

    At least "Eternal" seems to understand what is going on ; most people here are "breastfed" on the US news. Wake up America; do you want WWIII; keep going on that path.
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    Again Obama is being pushed by the war lobby to get involved in the Ukraine; the "gap" between Merkel and him is widening. I'm convinced that Obama does not want to get involved either; however the GOP pushes this strongly in order for Obama to go "flat on his face" when he would bent for that pressure. It is a sure fact that Russia will not sit still and let US weapons into the Ukraine; Putin will then have an exuse to escalate this dispiute in the region. In that case the US will be very sorry that it ever got involved.
    Sorry but the foreign politics here stink . Mr Kerry is way too naive to know he's being played by the GOP and used as a patsy..
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    Schmidt Wrote: There's also this: Resources in the Conflict Zones of Ukraine

    "In addition to political sentiment, the area is full of economic resources such as coal and highly-productive wheat and corn fields. Ukraine would stand to lose billions of dollars worth of reserves and revenue and Russia would stand to gain them if borders were redrawn."

    Ukrainian Coal
    The pro-Russian insurrection in the eastern provinces sits directly atop a major coal deposit. The Donetsk basin in Ukraine lies under some of the towns, such as Donetsk and Luhansk, where pro-Russian forces have taken over Ukrainian government buildings.

    Ukrainian Agriculture
    Ukraine and surrounding areas has long been called the "Bread Basket" of Russia or the USSR, with its southeastern steppes providing a fertile topography for wheat. But Ukraine is also a major corn exporter as well.
    A bit late reaction from me; We are talking about only a "sliver" of the north eastern part of the Ukraine; where the etnic people speak Russian and were Russians before the World Wars; also Russia has plenty of resources ( Siberia is about twice the size of the US) so I don't see that a tiny sliver in the Ukraine makes any differences in resources; also their ties with other communistic countries takes care of supplies; even Cuba.
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    Dutch Wrote: Again Obama is being pushed by the war lobby to get involved in the Ukraine; the "gap" between Merkel and him is widening. I'm convinced that Obama does not want to get involved either; however the GOP pushes this strongly in order for Obama to go "flat on his face" when he would bent for that pressure. It is a sure fact that Russia will not sit still and let US weapons into the Ukraine; Putin will then have an exuse to escalate this dispiute in the region. In that case the US will be very sorry that it ever got involved.
    Sorry but the foreign politics here stink . Mr Kerry is way too naive to know he's being played by the GOP and used as a patsy..
    I agree that Obama is loathe to get involved in this conflict. Starting a hot war with Russia will benefit no one. Russia's economy is cratering beneath their feet.

    What do leaders of all nations--from rich to dirt poor--do when their economy tanks? They start wars to get their populations minds off of blaming their leaders for the poor economy and to spark a nationalistic fervor. It's happened in countless countries before and Russia is no different.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Again Obama is being pushed by the war lobby to get involved in the Ukraine; the "gap" between Merkel and him is widening. I'm convinced that Obama does not want to get involved either; however the GOP pushes this strongly in order for Obama to go "flat on his face" when he would bent for that pressure. It is a sure fact that Russia will not sit still and let US weapons into the Ukraine; Putin will then have an exuse to escalate this dispiute in the region. In that case the US will be very sorry that it ever got involved.
    Sorry but the foreign politics here stink . Mr Kerry is way too naive to know he's being played by the GOP and used as a patsy..
    I agree that Obama is loathe to get involved in this conflict. Starting a hot war with Russia will benefit no one. Russia's economy is cratering beneath their feet.

    What do leaders of all nations--from rich to dirt poor--do when their economy tanks? They start wars to get their populations minds off of blaming their leaders for the poor economy and to spark a nationalistic fervor. It's happened in countless countries before and Russia is no different.
    Yes Jared you are right; but do we want to be the cause of further escalation? I'm affraid that the GOP does not care as long as Obama can be hurt; one way or another. That is their sole objective; I've never seen such a dumb bunch as the present GOP members; they are getting pure dangerous.
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    Dutch Wrote: Yes Jared you are right; but do we want to be the cause of further escalation? I'm affraid that the GOP does not care as long as Obama can be hurt; one way or another. That is their sole objective; I've never seen such a dumb bunch as the present GOP members; they are getting pure dangerous.
    I agree that the modern day GOP is an idiotic bunch of Neanderthals who would rather see the world devolve into nuclear war than give President Obama 'a win', but I do offer a word of hope! Obama is a hell of a lot smarter than many people want to admit. Just look at how everyone was saying how idiotic he was for his sanctions approach with Russia and where their economy is now. They are in a severe recession and soon to be depression. Obama was right.

    We won't be the cause of future escalation. If Putin wants to send his entire country into a painful depression so they can reclaim a former soviet state then I say have at it. I feel for the Russian people who will be affected, but he obviously doesn't. He knows he has lost, but he's taking his people down a path that will harm them far more than any Western nation will.

    I understand why Putin is doing what he is, but he's an idiot for doing so. He won't win the long game and he knows it. I just hope he doesn't resort to nuclear warfare just to save face. That won't be good for any of us.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Yes Jared you are right; but do we want to be the cause of further escalation? I'm affraid that the GOP does not care as long as Obama can be hurt; one way or another. That is their sole objective; I've never seen such a dumb bunch as the present GOP members; they are getting pure dangerous.
    I agree that the modern day GOP is an idiotic bunch of Neanderthals who would rather see the world devolve into nuclear war than give President Obama 'a win', but I do offer a word of hope! Obama is a hell of a lot smarter than many people want to admit. Just look at how everyone was saying how idiotic he was for his sanctions approach with Russia and where their economy is now. They are in a severe recession and soon to be depression. Obama was right.

    We won't be the cause of future escalation. If Putin wants to send his entire country into a painful depression so they can reclaim a former soviet state then I say have at it. I feel for the Russian people who will be affected, but he obviously doesn't. He knows he has lost, but he's taking his people down a path that will harm them far more than any Western nation will.

    I understand why Putin is doing what he is, but he's an idiot for doing so. He won't win the long game and he knows it. I just hope he doesn't resort to nuclear warfare just to save face. That won't be good for any of us.
    Sorry; you look way too much at US news; Russia is not on their knee's; they'll manage; during WWII they were in the worst shape ever, but were the first to get into Berlin. Do not under estimate the Russian stamina; they are a tough country to beat and endure through all kind of setbacks. They will laugh at our sanctions and get all what they want via the "backdoor" ( China etc.)
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    The latest news is that there may be another cease fire deal; if it will work is another question,but for the moment McCain probably gets no backpocket money from eventual arms sales to the Ukraine. Hoeray!!!
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    Dutch Wrote:Sorry; you look way too much at US news; Russia is not on their knee's; they'll manage; during WWII they were in the worst shape ever, but were the first to get into Berlin. Do not under estimate the Russian stamina; they are a tough country to beat and endure through all kind of setbacks. They will laugh at our sanctions and get all what they want via the "backdoor" ( China etc.)
    I just look at things through a different perspective. Personally, it seems as if you are completely writing off the fact that the Allied Forces forced Germany to move manpower away from the Eastern front to go fight on the Western front. You're also leaving out the fact that Russia was on her knees, with German forces only miles from Moscow, when the Russian winter hit. A winter that Germany idiotically wasn't prepared for. I wouldn't attribute either of those things to the Russian's, but to the Allied forces helping Russia out in the west and and German incompetence of Russian weather.

    Russia is almost wholly dependent on Western nations to provide them everything under the sun. China provides 16.7% of all Russian imports while Western nations provide a total of 53% of all imports. Add in the friendly nations who side with the West in this dispute and the number reaches upwards of 80%. This is why their economy is in crisis and China isn't even remotely capable of bailing them out. (Source: The Observatory of Economic Complexity (OEC) )

    If you dig deeper, you will see that Russia exports finite resources. They don't grow their own food, have a booming manufacturing industry, or make anything other than vodka. They can make as much vodka as they possibly can and it won't change the fact that their economy is in shambles and will only get worse if they continue down their belligerent path.

    As you can see--China would need to dramatically step it up if they want to bail out their Russian friends from the economic shit storm that they are going through due to Western sanctions and collapsing energy prices. No amount of money or resources from China will change that fact.

    And if you honestly think that Russia has the capability to defeat the West then you are sorely mistaken. Putin is nothing more than a playground bully who can't do anything other than send his troops into former Soviet States to foment unrest. That's not how you play on the international stage and that's why Russia has been pretty much sidelined. Sure, he has the power to start a nuclear war, but that's about it. He's too big of an egomaniac to risk having his country obliterated.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:Sorry; you look way too much at US news; Russia is not on their knee's; they'll manage; during WWII they were in the worst shape ever, but were the first to get into Berlin. Do not under estimate the Russian stamina; they are a tough country to beat and endure through all kind of setbacks. They will laugh at our sanctions and get all what they want via the "backdoor" ( China etc.)
    I just look at things through a different perspective. Personally, it seems as if you are completely writing off the fact that the Allied Forces forced Germany to move manpower away from the Eastern front to go fight on the Western front. You're also leaving out the fact that Russia was on her knees, with German forces only miles from Moscow, when the Russian winter hit. A winter that Germany idiotically wasn't prepared for. I wouldn't attribute either of those things to the Russian's, but to the Allied forces helping Russia out in the west and and German incompetence of Russian weather.

    Russia is almost wholly dependent on Western nations to provide them everything under the sun. China provides 16.7% of all Russian imports while Western nations provide a total of 53% of all imports. Add in the friendly nations who side with the West in this dispute and the number reaches upwards of 80%. This is why their economy is in crisis and China isn't even remotely capable of bailing them out. (Source: The Observatory of Economic Complexity (OEC) )

    If you dig deeper, you will see that Russia exports finite resources. They don't grow their own food, have a booming manufacturing industry, or make anything other than vodka. They can make as much vodka as they possibly can and it won't change the fact that their economy is in shambles and will only get worse if they continue down their belligerent path.

    As you can see--China would need to dramatically step it up if they want to bail out their Russian friends from the economic shit storm that they are going through due to Western sanctions and collapsing energy prices. No amount of money or resources from China will change that fact.

    And if you honestly think that Russia has the capability to defeat the West then you are sorely mistaken. Putin is nothing more than a playground bully who can't do anything other than send his troops into former Soviet States to foment unrest. That's not how you play on the international stage and that's why Russia has been pretty much sidelined. Sure, he has the power to start a nuclear war, but that's about it. He's too big of an egomaniac to risk having his country obliterated.
    Jared; you've been there? Like I said they have stamina and endured hardship all the time; so we'll wait and see. Anyway the US arrogance will catch up on us; lets have some more wars and meddling that keeps the weapons industry humming.