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Remembering Thomas Paine on his Birthday: O.S. Jan 29, 1736

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    On Thomas Paine's birthday (Old Style calendar) I thought I would share a few words of his wisdom:

    "Reason and Ignorance, the opposites of each other, influence the great bulk of mankind. If either of these can be rendered sufficiently extensive in a country, the machinery of Government goes easily on. Reason obeys itself; and Ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it."

    "It is impossible to calculate the moral mischief, if I may so express it, that mental lying has produced in society. When a man has so far corrupted and prostituted the chastity of his mind, as to subscribe his professional belief to things he does not believe, he has prepared himself for the commission of every other crime. "


    Thomas Paine's words spoken over 200 years ago are applicable today as so many of our politicians thrive in their own ignorance and mental lying. As the 2016 presidential campaign is starting in earnest, we can count on a heavy dosage of moral mischief, as Paine calls it.
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    Thank God for a new thread.
    This is pretty good Schmidt. Nice / wise words
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    Thomas Paine was a true revolutionary. I don't want to come across as too hyperbolic, but he might be single handily responsible for sparking the revolution that led to the colonies divorce with England. I'd encourage anyone who hasn't read 'Common Sense' to do so. It is some of the best reading you will ever do.

    It's amazing how times can change, but things stay the exact same. We are still dealing with corruption as much today as we were in the 1700's. The moral mischief of the moneyed elite was given a stamp of approval by the Supreme Court in 2010 and it will only get much, much worse before it will ever get better. The Koch Brothers recently announced that they plan to spend nearly one billion dollars in 2016 and that is just TWO individuals. Thomas Paine would surely be rolling over in his grave.
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    (Thanks for this thread). Thomas Paine lived through a great deal of suffering, & was often impoverished while in England. He lost his wife & baby in childbirth &
    all his business ventures seemed to fail. He was working so hard, as a tax collector, a sailor, a factory worker, a bridge designer, & for a while as a teacher, but things just never went right for him. But at just the right time, Benjamin Franklin met him & asked Paine to come overseas to America. And the rest is History.

    Benjamin Franklin had a printing press, & Thomas Paine was a great writer. So Paine wrote for a while anonymously, but later on he was given credit for his revolutionary pamphlets. However, he never made one dime off of them. Great men of that time, were not working just for the money, but for the principles and the idealism. For the IDEAS, which would inspire the Democracy that was going to rise from the ashes of revolution. And they KNEW all about the democracy of the Athenians, of 500 B.C. (It just boggles my mind how intelligent & well-educated they were 240 years ago). Anyway, this article has a PURPOSE:

    The GOP Republicans always say that giving any kind of "financial aid" to people, is "welfare" to support the lazy, stupid, or undeserving bums that inhabit our inner cities. That the wealthy should not have to be bothered thinking about "others" than their own family & friends. And it is nearly criminal for us to expect the wealthy to give one dime to help anybody else, (who may be elderly, sickly, or a wounded veteran). Yet, at the same time, the right wing GOP claim to be the world's most Holy people, thumping away at their Bibles with glee. So WHAT IS THE TRUTH?

    Well, as I have mentioned before, the ANSWER is in the Bible: Matthew 22: 36-40. "Master, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" And Jesus said to him, "Thou shalt love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, & soul & mind." "This is the first and greatest commandment" // "And the second is like unto it. -- "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself." // "On these two commandments hang all the law & the prophets." //// NOTE: love thy neighbor EQUAL to thyself, means to Love All Mankind. We are all Equals in the world.

    HERE IS one of the MOST IMPORTANT QUOTES in the WHOLE BIBLE: How you will be judged about "Going to Heaven or to Hell":

    MATTHEW 25: 30 - 46 "When the Son of Man shall come down in his glory, with the holy angels, & shall sit upon his throne: and before him shall be gathered all nations, and he shall separate them as a shepherd divides the sheep from the goats. Then Jesus said to those on the sheep hand: "Come ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you, from the foundation of the world:"

    (35) "For I was hungry & you gave me meat; I was thirsty & you gave me drink; I was a stranger & you took me in"
    (36) "I was naked & you clothed me; I was sick & you visited me; I was in prison & you came unto me;"
    (37) Then shall the righteous answer him, saying: "Lord, when did we see thee hungry & fed thee? Or thirsty & gave thee drink?"
    (38) "When did we see thee as a stranger & took thee in? Or saw thee naked and clothed thee?"
    (39) "Or when did we see thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?"
    (40) "And the King answered, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as you have done it unto one of the least my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

    (41) Then shall he say to those on the Devil's side: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil & his angels."
    (42) "For I was hungry and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty and ye gave me no drink."
    (43) "I was a stranger & you did not take me in, I was naked & you did not clothe me, I was sick & in prison & you did not visit me,"
    (44) Then said the multitude: "Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick or in prison, & did not minister to thee?"
    (45) Then he said: "Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these my brethren, ye did it not unto me."
    (46) "And those shall go away into Everlasting Punishment: --- But the righteous will go into Life Eternal."
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    Claire Conner, in her 2013 book "Wrapped in the Flag" --- has exposed many "secrets" of the John Birch Society, from back in 1958, when it first began, & her parents were leaders in the Society & her Father was on the JBS National Council -- for over 30 years until their deaths. She was made a member at age 13, & was required to attend meetings in her house 6 nights per week. She personally met many of the Top Leaders when they came to visit her home, often spending the night. Like Robert Welch (the Founder himself) & Revilo Oliver (who began a separate neo-Fascist group). As a very young adult, just starting high school, Claire saw the Birch Society evolve into a very powerful political force in the Republican Party. And her parents were seriously working for its advancement in the city of Chicago. She has amazing insights of the JBS & tells of her own evolution in thinking, as time went on, into her adulthood. Now she is 69 years old, & has seen the whole history of the JBS, & its change into the Tea Party.

    Some "new ideas" of the Republican Party actually began way back in the 1960's. For instance, the Birchers did NOT want for "everyone" to have a Right to Vote. Even William F. Buckley, said that the idea that everyone was qualified to vote was "one of the great self-delusions of democracy." He hypothesized that maybe 50% of the people are qualified to vote." (p. 129) Claire's father thought that only "land-owners" should vote, while her mother believed that "anyone who got anything out of the govt, should sit out elections." A good friend of her parents, Paul Weyrich, was responsible for many recent voter suppression laws in state legislatures across the USA. And, Mr. Weyrich was the architect of most of today's right wing. Some are: The Heritage Foundation (a huge right wing think tank), Then, the "Moral Majority" (that brought evangelicals into the GOP. Then, ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) which created many of the voter-suppression bills. (Necessary, the GOP says, due to immense "voter fraud" -- which is denied by the Brennan Center for Justice). MOST OF THE BIRCHERS would still cheer every effort to make it harder to vote, since "way too many of those bleeding-heart people were likely to vote for "liberals".

    (p. 134) While her Dad was Birching & her Mom was churching, both wanted to dramatically change the United States, by shrinking the federal govt, eliminating the New Deal, gutting all regulation, getting us out of the United Nations, halting all civil rights legislation, & fighting the ERA (of the evil "feminist movement").

    A personal friend of Robt Welch (JBS Founder), was named John Rushdoony, who was leader of the Christian Reconstructionist Movement. Mr. Rushdoony published "Institutes of Biblical Law" (in 1973). He cited Old Testament Laws that would be the new justice system, in "Christian America" & included some very severe punishments for law breakers. "Criminals would be burned at the stake, stoned, & hanged, depending on their sins. Those who would get such severe punishments, included: gays, blasphemers, unchaste women, & juvenile delinquents. Of course, doctors who provided "abortions" (& their patients) would also be executed." (p. 135). Rushdoony realized it would take work to bring his vision for America to fruition, & he saw "home-schooling" as the way, to train up a generation, to construct a religious order that denies religious liberty to the enemies of God." And Francis Schaeffer, a new evangelical leader, suggested that Christians should at least consider "righteous violence" as a last recourse, to defend their threatened rights. (p. 136).

    I only mention this, because it sounds just like the CURRENT right-winger Religious, who are now traveling to Israel, (next week) to claim their religion is going to "get rid of the Jews" and any other religions in America, except for the fundamentalist Christians. This is of course "extremist" thinking, which goes against everything our Founders believed, and will only lead to more turmoil in our government (& world) leadership. But HERE is another thing that is troubling about the "Christian" right-wingers belief that Jews are not welcome to live in America, unless they "convert" to Christianity. It is the general ignorance of their beliefs, since Jesus Christ was himself a Jew, born to Jewish parents, in a Jewish nation. So HOW COULD Jesus want "no JEWS" to be allowed in any "Christian" nation? (Jesus was educated in a Jewish synagogue & taught by rabbi's). Hard to believe right-wingers did not know that.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Claire Conner, in her 2013 book "Wrapped in the Flag" --- has exposed many "secrets" of the John Birch Society, from back in 1958, when it first began, & her parents were leaders in the Society & her Father was on the JBS National Council -- for over 30 years until their deaths. She was made a member at age 13, & was required to attend meetings in her house 6 nights per week. She personally met many of the Top Leaders when they came to visit her home, often spending the night. Like Robert Welch (the Founder himself) & Revilo Oliver (who began a separate neo-Fascist group). As a very young adult, just starting high school, Claire saw the Birch Society evolve into a very powerful political force in the Republican Party. And her parents were seriously working for its advancement in the city of Chicago. She has amazing insights of the JBS & tells of her own evolution in thinking, as time went on, into her adulthood. Now she is 69 years old, & has seen the whole history of the JBS, & its change into the Tea Party.

    Some "new ideas" of the Republican Party actually began way back in the 1960's. For instance, the Birchers did NOT want for "everyone" to have a Right to Vote. Even William F. Buckley, said that the idea that everyone was qualified to vote was "one of the great self-delusions of democracy." He hypothesized that maybe 50% of the people are qualified to vote." (p. 129) Claire's father thought that only "land-owners" should vote, while her mother believed that "anyone who got anything out of the govt, should sit out elections." A good friend of her parents, Paul Weyrich, was responsible for many recent voter suppression laws in state legislatures across the USA. And, Mr. Weyrich was the architect of most of today's right wing. Some are: The Heritage Foundation (a huge right wing think tank), Then, the "Moral Majority" (that brought evangelicals into the GOP. Then, ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) which created many of the voter-suppression bills. (Necessary, the GOP says, due to immense "voter fraud" -- which is denied by the Brennan Center for Justice). MOST OF THE BIRCHERS would still cheer every effort to make it harder to vote, since "way too many of those bleeding-heart people were likely to vote for "liberals".

    (p. 134) While her Dad was Birching & her Mom was churching, both wanted to dramatically change the United States, by shrinking the federal govt, eliminating the New Deal, gutting all regulation, getting us out of the United Nations, halting all civil rights legislation, & fighting the ERA (of the evil "feminist movement").

    A personal friend of Robt Welch (JBS Founder), was named John Rushdoony, who was leader of the Christian Reconstructionist Movement. Mr. Rushdoony published "Institutes of Biblical Law" (in 1973). He cited Old Testament Laws that would be the new justice system, in "Christian America" & included some very severe punishments for law breakers. "Criminals would be burned at the stake, stoned, & hanged, depending on their sins. Those who would get such severe punishments, included: gays, blasphemers, unchaste women, & juvenile delinquents. Of course, doctors who provided "abortions" (& their patients) would also be executed." (p. 135). Rushdoony realized it would take work to bring his vision for America to fruition, & he saw "home-schooling" as the way, to train up a generation, to construct a religious order that denies religious liberty to the enemies of God." And Francis Schaeffer, a new evangelical leader, suggested that Christians should at least consider "righteous violence" as a last recourse, to defend their threatened rights. (p. 136).

    I only mention this, because it sounds just like the CURRENT right-winger Religious, who are now traveling to Israel, (next week) to claim their religion is going to "get rid of the Jews" and any other religions in America, except for the fundamentalist Christians. This is of course "extremist" thinking, which goes against everything our Founders believed, and will only lead to more turmoil in our government (& world) leadership. But HERE is another thing that is troubling about the "Christian" right-wingers belief that Jews are not welcome to live in America, unless they "convert" to Christianity. It is the general ignorance of their beliefs, since Jesus Christ was himself a Jew, born to Jewish parents, in a Jewish nation. So HOW COULD Jesus want "no JEWS" to be allowed in any "Christian" nation? (Jesus was educated in a Jewish synagogue & taught by rabbi's). Hard to believe right-wingers did not know that.
    All I have to add is: Hitler was a catholic; he even studied in his early days to become a priest.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Thomas Paine was a true revolutionary. I don't want to come across as too hyperbolic, but he might be single handily responsible for sparking the revolution that led to the colonies divorce with England. I'd encourage anyone who hasn't read 'Common Sense' to do so. It is some of the best reading you will ever do.

    It's amazing how times can change, but things stay the exact same. We are still dealing with corruption as much today as we were in the 1700's. The moral mischief of the moneyed elite was given a stamp of approval by the Supreme Court in 2010 and it will only get much, much worse before it will ever get better. The Koch Brothers recently announced that they plan to spend nearly one billion dollars in 2016 and that is just TWO individuals. Thomas Paine would surely be rolling over in his grave.
    Jared; very scary indeed; who is going to spend "one billion" on the Democrats? And you still think this is a Democratic country? Our leaders are being "bought"!!
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    Sorry, but don't be TOO quick to believe the worst. Just because the Koch Bros (always Republican millionaires, since their Daddy was in Soviet Russia, hanging around Communist Dictator Joseph Stalin)-- making a vast fortune from "oil drilling rigs" they built in Russia, (back around the 1930's). Then Daddy (Fred C. Koch) came back to the USA, (to Wichita, KS) & multiplied his fortune. Meanwhile, he joined the John Birch Society & got on the National Council, to start influencing American politics. (As we know now, the JBS was using "subversive" means to attempt to takeover the US Govt, & lead it into a fascist dictatorship. Govt by the oligarchy, the wealthy elite). This can be proved by the simple Fact that ALL Birch Society literature says that the Birch Society "does NOT believe in Democracy." [Such as govt of the people, by the people, & for the people, -- as defined by Abraham Lincoln.] So the JBS has spent the last 57 years trying to SUBVERT & DESTROY Democracy, because Robt Welch (founder JBS) did not believe in it).

    They have spent billion$ trying to "rig" elections, bribing Supreme Court Justices, & brain-washing people on 30 yrs of broadcasts (ie Rushbo), plus they infiltrated 1,000's of churches to "plant" the Birch message, to be coming out of the church pulpits every Sunday. It took over 55 years, but it has SUCCEEDED. The over-all reach of right-wing broadcasts, plus the effect of right-wing "Home Schooling" programs, (which have very little oversight to prevent them from teaching total hogwash), & hundreds of right-wing TV & radio stations, websites, etc --- with an over-all impact of taking over our political system in favor of the most extremist (& subversive) ideology in our nation's history. They have now BOUGHT our elections, not because our left wing politicians are FOR SALE ---- but because the mass public can be "brain-washed" by 24 hour broadcasting, & their own GOP heroes TELL THEM they can not listen to any liberal or left wing media (mainstream media) -- because they might accidentally HEAR THE TRUTH. So this 57 yr heritage of "brain-washing" has gone on & on until now -- at least 50% of our US population, falls for the right wing agenda, hook, line & sinker.

    They have totally bought the line, & are never allowed to HEAR the other side, so do NOT know that what they are being taught 24/7 is PURE LIES. And our liberal wing did not know what was going on, with the brain-washing 24/7 -- so they did not know how to fight it. / So NOW what can we do? How do you fight millions of people who are totally brain-washed to believe PURE LIES, & they will FIGHT to protect those lies, & these people get out & VOTE much more avidly than our Democrats, who often are not aware of all that is at stake. Actually, you might say we have LOST since (by hook or by crook) the GOP has taken control of the Supreme Court, (Koch money) -- & the House, -- & the Senate. And they are threatening Obama every day, in attempt to "buy" him, or terrify him, and he is bravely hanging on to his principles. Democracy is hanging by a thread, & that thread is getting weaker every day. ..
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    Here is another Legacy from Thomas Paine. Who was brought to America by Benjamin Franklin, & was very active in our American Revolution. Many of the greatest feats of mankind were brought about by the Power of the Printing Press. The Founding Fathers were able to print thousands of pamphlets for rapid distribution to the colonists, Then seeds of revolt were easily spread, often in small pubs, where all the people frequently gathered. But it would not have succeeded, except for the exceeding brilliance of those men we call the Founding Fathers. It is astounding to read their thoughts & ideas, coming from an era over 238 yrs ago. Most college graduates of TODAY, could not come anywhere close to their progressive thinking that inspired a Break from England. And our fantastic journey, to becoming an independent Democracy, & the future super-power of the industrial & scientific world.

    Getting back to THE POINT: The current Republicans say that any concept of "sharing the wealth" is a Communist or Socialist thought, which is an EVIL thing, & must be immediately discarded. FALSE. (1) It comes from the Bible (Jesus Christ) where I've quoted Matthew 25 (in another post above) -- where it tells you what you must do to get to heaven: (If I was hungry, you fed me --- If I was thirsty, you gave me drink --- If I was homeless, you gave me shelter --- If I was naked you gave me clothing --- & those who do so unto the least of these, my brethren, do so unto me --- & they will go to Eternal Life, on Judgment Day). // And these were the words of Jesus to his disciples..// To make the point even clearer, Jesus continued on: That if someone was hungry & you did not feed them, or thirsty & you did not give them drink, or homeless & you did not give them shelter, -- then THAT selfish person will go to Eternal Damnation & Hellfire. // (I think Jesus is quite clear on this point.) ---- [ So Republicans --- Beware.] : ) : )

    NOW the LEGACY OF THOMAS PAINE ------- a piece entitled ----- "AGRARIAN JUSTICE" (1797)
    (Don't be too scared, ---- it simply means, the Rights of Man to Property, as a natural birthright to ALL).

    He says when all men originated on earth, the land belonged to ALL OF US, as our natural birthright. But as time went on, some men began to fence in the land & declare it was THEIRS, and then they would sell the produce on it, & make others pay for it. Gradually, more & more land was fenced in, often by one man & his offspring, Until there was no "free" land left, for all the other millions of men, to have their fair share. So WE all were "deprived" of our shares of land, & deprived of the benefits & income that would come with it. (But it all happened so gradually, over generations of time, that many did not even realize what was happening). Thomas Paine came up with a solution for this problem (in 1797). I will simplify this down to its bare essentials:

    Due to the situation (above), Paine says: "Poverty, therefore, is a thing, created by that which is called civilized life... It exists not, in the natural state."
    "For the earth, in its natural, uncultivated state, would forever have continued to be, THE COMMON PROPERTY OF THE HUMAN RACE. In that state every man would have been born to property. [ In America, any pioneer or settler who would occupy & cultivate 40 acres, (or specified tract) of land, would (in a specified time) be granted a clear title to that land ]. While cultivation is a great improvement invented by humans, & has added a ten-fold value to the land, -- but the landed monopoly, that began with it, "has dispossessed more than half the inhabitants of every nation of their natural inheritance, without providing for them, as ought to have been done, a paid settlement cost, for that loss, --- & has thereby created a species of poverty and wretchedness, that did not exist before." -- "Thus, in pleading the case - for persons dispossessed - I claim it is a "right" & "not a charity." But it is that kind of right that could not be brought forward, till heaven had opened the way by a revolution in the system of government."

    I shall now proceed to THE PLAN I have to propose: TO CREATE A NATIONAL FUND, out of which there shall be paid to every person, at age 21, the sum of 15 pounds sterling. (compensation for the loss of his or her natural inheritance, by the introduction of the system of landed property).

    **ALSO, the sum of 10 pounds sterling (per year, - for life), to every person at the age of 50 years, -- & to all, as they reach that age.

    ******[ hmmm --- it reminds me of (gasp) Social Security -- OMG -- the founders invented it back in 1797 !! [E.F.]

    No complaint is intended, or ought to be alleged, against the present possessors of the land, (unless they propose to oppose justice). Instead, we claim that the fault is in the system. But the fault can be made to reform itself by successive generations. (property sharing at time of death).

    Now this last is just 3 short sentences written by Thomas Paine : (I love this because you see his true character, and the kind of man he was
    back in the dawn --- the birthplace & time --- of infant America. What better parents could we all have had, -- than him?

    "An army of "principles" will penetrate where an army of soldiers cannot -- It will succeed where diplomatic management would fail -- It will march
    on the horizon of the world, and it will conquer." ---------------- Thomas Paine (1797)
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    Sorry "eternal" I more or less get the impression that you go a bit overboard on "past" events; which not always have an effect on the future; neither do bibles.
    Being scared of this or that, may happen or not happen at all. Live your life from day to day and enjoy; seeing ghosts all over the place does not help anyone including yourself; the future is not determined by us anyway. So why worry; just do what you think are good things and enjoy if your healthy,have food on the table and have an afternoon nap. Don't let all things in this world srew up your mind; just relax and let it go; you nor I can change the world. Sure we can write about it but also laugh about how stupid the human race is.
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    Dutch -- I might agree with you to an extent, but the problem is that Movement Conservatism, especially the Christian evangelical faction, is on a passionate crusade to rule. While we liberals would like to think of good things and not let the world screw up our minds, we cannot sit back and let them impose their crazy ideologies on our government policies. I admire EF's passion. We need more critical thinkers like her, especially on election day when many liberals and Democrats do indeed stay home and take a nap.
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    Since I started this thread on Thomas Paine, I'll add another quote that relates to "taking a nap" metaphor..

    "There is existing in man, a mass of sense lying in a dormant state, and which, unless something excites it to action, will descend with him, in that condition, to the grave." -- Thomas Paine

    My biggest frustration is not with the passionate conservatives. I understand them very well. Rather my frustration is with liberals and moderates that have in fact given up on being engaged with government at all levels...not only ignorance abounds, but also apathy.
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    Since I was a little girl, I always wanted to get involved somehow in politics, but as the years went on by, & I saw what was going on, with all the crooked lying, and huge machines of deceit and propaganda, & I began to know that the whole system was being "rigged" against anyone who wanted to tell the Truth, and do the right thing. The Republicans had developed an intricate system big enough to swallow America and a few extra countries besides. And the JBS had begun to think "international" way back in 1958. It is all about "corporate wealth & power" and if it destroys the middle class, & most of our human rights, -- so much the better. The JBS power structure would love nothing better, than to kiss Putin on the lips and say "Hail brother, it has been a long time." Democracy is only an "obstacle" to them. Controlling the world & all its commerce is their primary goal. And some of these mental deviants, think that the Game of War is a big thrill --- a JOY, as long as they never have to wear a uniform. They picture themselves, commanding someone "else" to work on a computer, so they can issue orders, like the Feuhrer --- & all the world will come crawling to them.

    Fascist Power & Ruthless Greed only appeal to certain psychotic types, like Hitler, & for some reason, we have grown several hundred-thousand of them in America since 1958. If you want to read a true-life Horror story, -- go study the "PNAC" which was written by GOP psychotics, dreaming of global conquest, with America being a bigger War Machine than Nazi Germany, but with "super" weapons, & orbiting spy satellites, & spy cameras everywhere. I can just see them drooling for hours, as they imagine themselves being "in control" of this "sci-fi" Horror --- as they plan for the attack of IRAQ, & the inevitable murder of Saddam Hussein, who had done nothing wrong, but they had to kill him & his 2 sons, to "shut them up" & prevent them from ever getting power again. (They invented the LIE that Saddam was with Al Quaeda, or the 9/11 attack, -- as an "excuse" to invade Iraq & STEAL the OIL).

    When I was a little kid in school, I never heard that the Founding Fathers were Greedy, corrupt, War-Mongers who wanted to "steal" resources from other countries. (Because it wasn't TRUE). I know that the US Founding Fathers were generous, kind, intellectual men, who wanted the best for all mankind. They would be HORRIFIED if they had to see what the crazy GOP is up to, now. (Absolutely horrified). And I also know they would NOT have stood by silently, -- as the GOP deliberately destroyed what is left of our America. ---- AMEN
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    Thanks EF.

    For those not familiar with PNAC, it stands for Project for a New American Century, a neoconservative think tank active from 1997 to 2006. You can read about it at:

    SourceWatch: Project for a New American Century (PNAC)

    It is worth reading so I won't paraphrase it beyond EF's description.

    It was followed by the The Foreign Policy Initiative.

    And both think tanks would qualify under the heading of Thomas Paine's "Moral Mischief".
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    Schmidt Wrote: Dutch -- I might agree with you to an extent, but the problem is that Movement Conservatism, especially the Christian evangelical faction, is on a passionate crusade to rule. While we liberals would like to think of good things and not let the world screw up our minds, we cannot sit back and let them impose their crazy ideologies on our government policies. I admire EF's passion. We need more critical thinkers like her, especially on election day when many liberals and Democrats do indeed stay home and take a nap.
    Schmidt as always I fully agree; however I care about "eternal's health; so she should not get too upset about this screwed up world.