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"Mr. Obama" was in India today...does anyone care?

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    N.Y. Times, January 26, 2015: In India, Obama Elevates the Nation’s Self-Esteem

    Well with the blizzard coverage, everyone is probably in the dark about "Mr. and Mrs. Obama's" trip to India for Republic Day so I'll extract a few things from the New York Times:

    "NEW DELHI — India’s military forces marched past President Obama and India’s president and prime minister in great waves of color on Monday morning. Crimson-clad border troops with identical mustaches, astride camels decked out in gold braid and multicolored pompoms. A bagpipe and drum corps in plaid and leopard skin. Sikh regiments in dress turbans, their starched fringes fanning out like gold lamé pie plates. A formation of combat helicopters that thudded past, releasing drifts of marigold petals.

    "Yet it was Mr. Obama who took the seat of the chief guest, the first American leader to do so. In the 65 previous parades, the chief guest has twice been Soviet, once Russian, twice Yugoslav, three times French, twice British, once Chinese. Even Pakistan has been invited. Mr. Obama’s acceptance of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's invitation this year was seen here as a great tribute to India, a sign of the country’s arrival on the world stage."


    Okay there's much more in the article. You can read about it above in the NYT if you care. The visit was much more than pomp and parades. There were discussions including collaboration on nuclear power, for which we may never know all the details, but it is important to note the mutual respect shown by these world leaders in having these high level discussions. Diplomacy, now and in the future, starts first with gestures like these. You don't make headway otherwise. Call it optics or photo ops or whatever, but Obama's attendance at the Republic Day parade is an important and respectful first step in doing any serious talking in this enormously important part of Asia.

    I can appreciate that Mr. Obama's visit would never get much media coverage here in the USA, probably in part because the western media doesn't have the resources to cover these events without going through a big expense. Coverage of this event was always destined to be an after thought, and with the northeast coast blizzard, channels like MSNBC, will devote 100 percent of their coverage to the storm. Does anyone besides me care?

    Mr Obama recognizes the importance of attending events like these, even if the average American cannot locate India on the map. All they know and complain about is reaching an Indian in a call center to solve a technical problem on a software issue on their computer.
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    Schmidt Wrote: N.Y. Times, January 26, 2015: In India, Obama Elevates the Nation’s Self-Esteem

    Well with the blizzard coverage, everyone is probably in the dark about "Mr. and Mrs. Obama's" trip to India for Republic Day so I'll extract a few things from the New York Times:

    "NEW DELHI — India’s military forces marched past President Obama and India’s president and prime minister in great waves of color on Monday morning. Crimson-clad border troops with identical mustaches, astride camels decked out in gold braid and multicolored pompoms. A bagpipe and drum corps in plaid and leopard skin. Sikh regiments in dress turbans, their starched fringes fanning out like gold lamé pie plates. A formation of combat helicopters that thudded past, releasing drifts of marigold petals.

    "Yet it was Mr. Obama who took the seat of the chief guest, the first American leader to do so. In the 65 previous parades, the chief guest has twice been Soviet, once Russian, twice Yugoslav, three times French, twice British, once Chinese. Even Pakistan has been invited. Mr. Obama’s acceptance of Prime Minister Narendra Modi's invitation this year was seen here as a great tribute to India, a sign of the country’s arrival on the world stage."


    Okay there's much more in the article. You can read about it above in the NYT if you care. The visit was much more than pomp and parades. There were discussions including collaboration on nuclear power, for which we may never know all the details, but it is important to note the mutual respect shown by these world leaders in having these high level discussions. Diplomacy, now and in the future, starts first with gestures like these. You don't make headway otherwise. Call it optics or photo ops or whatever, but Obama's attendance at the Republic Day parade is an important and respectful first step in doing any serious talking in this enormously important part of Asia.

    I can appreciate that Mr. Obama's visit would never get much media coverage here in the USA, probably in part because the western media doesn't have the resources to cover these events without going through a big expense. Coverage of this event was always destined to be an after thought, and with the northeast coast blizzard, channels like MSNBC, will devote 100 percent of their coverage to the storm. Does anyone besides me care?

    Mr Obama recognizes the importance of attending events like these, even if the average American cannot locate India on the map. All they know and complain about is reaching an Indian in a call center to solve a technical problem on a software issue on their computer.
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    Schmidt, the only thing is, will Pakistan like this? They have nuclear power as well ,but we are "droning" their borders etc. So will this visit make the relation between these countries even worse?
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    Good point Dutch, he needs to find an occasion to attend or make a visit to Pakistan as well, as these two powers should be treated as equal nuclear-capable allies.
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    Thanks for covering this important news story. I saw a brief photo-op on a news channel, earlier today, but it really deserves so much more attention, than it is getting, with all the storm coverage. Maybe later tonight, people will be bored of the snowflakes, and want to hear some REAL news. What a real THRILL it must be for the First Family to visit India. I know it made real news when Jackie Kennedy went there, to see the Taj Mahal. I hope the Obama family will get to see this fabulous palace also. It took 21 years to build it, with supplies carried by elephants, across several borders. it is visited by 3 million visitors per year. The walls are encrusted with elaborate carvings & precious gemstones. It was built as a burial place for the Emperor Shah Jahan's 3rd wife. And I am sure we will get to see many more places of interest in that ancient exotic kingdom. Amazingly, It is a republic & considered to be an active democracy. (Maybe Obama will be able to get along quite well over there).
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    eternal flame Wrote: Thanks for covering this important news story. I saw a brief photo-op on a news channel, earlier today, but it really deserves so much more attention, than it is getting, with all the storm coverage. Maybe later tonight, people will be bored of the snowflakes, and want to hear some REAL news. What a real THRILL it must be for the First Family to visit India. I know it made real news when Jackie Kennedy went there, to see the Taj Mahal. I hope the Obama family will get to see this fabulous palace also. It took 21 years to build it, with supplies carried by elephants, across several borders. it is visited by 3 million visitors per year. The walls are encrusted with elaborate carvings & precious gemstones. It was built as a burial place for the Emperor Shah Jahan's 3rd wife. And I am sure we will get to see many more places of interest in that ancient exotic kingdom. Amazingly, It is a republic & considered to be an active democracy. (Maybe Obama will be able to get along quite well over there).
    The only mistake (she) made was the visit to Saudia Arabia; where she forgot to put a scarf over her hair; a bit of insult to that country; you're the guest so be aware of certain cultures; don't show your footsoles either when you sit etc.
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    Yes, it can be very "touchy" in some countries, if you go against their entrenched "norms" of behavior. I think that we take our progressive ways of life too much for granted. And we could offend somebody by the slightest detail. It is even worse, if the person offended is a Monarch of some kind. They could take it as a personal "disrespect" & whisper "OFF WITH YOUR HEAD"! And this creates a lot of extra JOBS, for that little ISIS group.
  • Center Left
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    A few days ago (when he was in India) they spoke of a new deal for the US to sell India Nuclear power plants. With over a billion citizens....... they really need reliable electricity. The biggest power outage - ever - was in India where 600 million people were without electricity.
    The previous sticking point was that India wanted us to promise there would never be any problems with the reactors. We said we won't do that.They instead are going to purchase some huge bond as insurance against any failures. These sales could be huge dollars for the US.
  • Liberal
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    Dutch Wrote:
    eternal flame Wrote: Thanks for covering this important news story. I saw a brief photo-op on a news channel, earlier today, but it really deserves so much more attention, than it is getting, with all the storm coverage. Maybe later tonight, people will be bored of the snowflakes, and want to hear some REAL news. What a real THRILL it must be for the First Family to visit India. I know it made real news when Jackie Kennedy went there, to see the Taj Mahal. I hope the Obama family will get to see this fabulous palace also. It took 21 years to build it, with supplies carried by elephants, across several borders. it is visited by 3 million visitors per year. The walls are encrusted with elaborate carvings & precious gemstones. It was built as a burial place for the Emperor Shah Jahan's 3rd wife. And I am sure we will get to see many more places of interest in that ancient exotic kingdom. Amazingly, It is a republic & considered to be an active democracy. (Maybe Obama will be able to get along quite well over there).
    The only mistake (she) made was the visit to Saudia Arabia; where she forgot to put a scarf over her hair; a bit of insult to that country; you're the guest so be aware of certain cultures; don't show your footsoles either when you sit etc.
    Dutch,

    that's one of the craziest things I've ever heard of.....Foot soles. Wow. I'd show them my nasty feet every time we send over some of that 'Aid' they've become so accustomed to. I'd sign the check with a pen that had a photo of real jesus (my gardener) on it. Nobody ever gets offended before they cash that check.
    And as for India, they can keep that taj mahal.....I have this thing about having a solid bowel movement, so I'll just stay home and have access to some Mylanta and tums.
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:
    eternal flame Wrote: Thanks for covering this important news story. I saw a brief photo-op on a news channel, earlier today, but it really deserves so much more attention, than it is getting, with all the storm coverage. Maybe later tonight, people will be bored of the snowflakes, and want to hear some REAL news. What a real THRILL it must be for the First Family to visit India. I know it made real news when Jackie Kennedy went there, to see the Taj Mahal. I hope the Obama family will get to see this fabulous palace also. It took 21 years to build it, with supplies carried by elephants, across several borders. it is visited by 3 million visitors per year. The walls are encrusted with elaborate carvings & precious gemstones. It was built as a burial place for the Emperor Shah Jahan's 3rd wife. And I am sure we will get to see many more places of interest in that ancient exotic kingdom. Amazingly, It is a republic & considered to be an active democracy. (Maybe Obama will be able to get along quite well over there).
    The only mistake (she) made was the visit to Saudia Arabia; where she forgot to put a scarf over her hair; a bit of insult to that country; you're the guest so be aware of certain cultures; don't show your footsoles either when you sit etc.
    Dutch,

    that's one of the craziest things I've ever heard of.....Foot soles. Wow. I'd show them my nasty feet every time we send over some of that 'Aid' they've become so accustomed to. I'd sign the check with a pen that had a photo of real jesus (my gardener) on it. Nobody ever gets offended before they cash that check.
    And as for India, they can keep that taj mahal.....I have this thing about having a solid bowel movement, so I'll just stay home and have access to some Mylanta and tums.
    L.A. I worked/travelled a lot of countries; our company gave clear instructions related to culture and behavior; if you want deals done, then you have to adapt to their cultures. Just by being an arrogant American in a foreign country; it will only add to "dis-like" us more. By the way you should visit some of these countries that may change your opinion; the world does not exist of the US alone. A lot of countries have more culture than the US ever will have.
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    I agree with Dutch. Traveling and working in foreign countries requires cultural sensitivity. Having meetings requires a certain protocol and respect...and a lot of small talk asking about family, friends, drinking toasts and blah, blah, blah. It's the way business gets done.

    Now having said that, Michelle Obama also had a statement to make. She was not only the first lady, but also representing women of America and other nations whose rights are oppressed. It was not a mistake or a gaff on her part to not cover her head. It was a calculated statement.

    Whatever the Saudi prince and President Obama had to discuss, she was not part of the conversation. Michelle Obama and women were the winners. If she had worn the scarf she would have been signalling that the Saudi brand of how women should be treated in society was okay with her. And Republicans would have spun the photo somehow...

    Anyway, the subject is India, and Obama's speech at the Republic Day festivities went over well with the Indian populace Good diplomacy and protocol in India.
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    Schmidt Wrote: I agree with Dutch. Traveling and working in foreign countries requires cultural sensitivity. Having meetings requires a certain protocol and respect...and a lot of small talk asking about family, friends, drinking toasts and blah, blah, blah. It's the way business gets done.

    Now having said that, Michelle Obama also had a statement to make. She was not only the first lady, but also representing women of America and other nations whose rights are oppressed. It was not a mistake or a gaff on her part to not cover her head. It was a calculated statement.

    Whatever the Saudi prince and President Obama had to discuss, she was not part of the conversation. Michelle Obama and women were the winners. If she had worn the scarf she would have been signalling that the Saudi brand of how women should be treated in society was okay with her. And Republicans would have spun the photo somehow...

    Anyway, the subject is India, and Obama's speech at the Republic Day festivities went over well with the Indian populace Good diplomacy and protocol in India.
    Yes Schmidt; I fully agree; I guess the "media" here presented it wrongly as usual.