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The harmful effects of a scientist going "rogue"

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Most of us think of a rogue scientist with respect to the Climate Change dialogue. While some 97 percent or so of scientists are in agreement that humans are a cause of Climate Change, there are a few that for publicity, money or whatever go rogue. There are enormous consequences if those rogue scientists are given serious consideration by politicians. James Inhofe now heads up the Senate Environmental Committee and he quotes rogue scientists that climate change is a hoax, thus giving him cover to roll-back environmental regulations associated with greenhouse gases. I suppose his ultimate rogue scientist is God, and who can argue with God? The repercussions of a James Inhofe chaired Environmental Committee are enormous and could be felt for decades. We'll have to watch and make noise.
    Putting Climate Change aside, another example of a rogue scientist is Dr. Andrew Wakefield, who was accused of manipulating and falsifying research data to show a link between childhood vaccines and autism. His research work was given prominence in the prestigious British journal Lancet. Brian Deer, who exposed the faulty research, said Wakefield "chiseled" the data before him, "falsifying medical histories of children and essentially concocting a picture, which was the picture he was contracted to find by lawyers hoping to sue vaccine manufacturers and to create a vaccine scare." According to British medical Journal, BMJ, Wakefield received more than 435,000 pounds ($674,000) from the lawyers. The British subsequently stripped Wakefield of his medical license, but the damage was done and is proving very difficult to be undone.

    We are now seeing the magnitude of his false research with the measles outbreak in Disneyland.

    National Geographic, January 24, 2015: Measles Are Back: Key Questions and Answers on Disease, Vaccinations

    "The battle against measles in the United States was considered won 15 years ago. Starting in 2000, virtually all new cases of measles came from abroad, and the disease was no longer regularly seen in the U.S. But around 60 people have contracted measles in the U.S. since just last month—most of them at two Disney theme parks in California. Parents of children that are too young to be vaccinated are being told to avoid those parks, and the state's department of health is warning other Californians who are unvaccinated to avoid public places that might draw international travelers."

    "The outbreak has renewed criticism of the anti-vaccine movement, which is relatively popular in Orange County, where Disneyland is located. At some schools in the county, as many as 60 - 80 percent of students had missed at least some of their vaccinations."

    Unlike the Ebola virus, measles is very contagious. Stay away from Disneyland if you have not been vaccinated.
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    Schmidt ; The statement by this "Inhofe" nuthead shows "brains" for sure; like .......the bible refutes climate change....... I guess Noah never built an Arc either for no reason. Anyway as I said a million times "bibles" are written by "people" not "god's"; thus people wrote this at a time when they had no clue whatsoever about climate; they had only "fear" what drove them; not science
    How can anyone who beliefs such nonsense get into a position like that?
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    I was just at Disneyland recently. Funny thing, I ran into the Pope and his Cardinals there. They were all carrying Coton Candy and gummie bears.....they must have a sweet tooth. Oh well, see ya in church
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: I was just at Disneyland recently. Funny thing, I ran into the Pope and his Cardinals there. They were all carrying Coton Candy and gummie bears.....they must have a sweet tooth. Oh well, see ya in church
    You're mistaken; he was in the Philipines checking out little altar boys; it rained and stormed a lot; must be "not" the climate change; the "devil" must have done that, I guess.
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    It is like the right-wingers are always saying --- they want to take us back to the Dark Ages. They want to reverse all our modern history, where we have freedoms and rights and modern conveniences. They want to UN-DO our Democracy. - I guess they're all just a little bit "backward" (in mentality).

    This of course would mean that STUPIDITY REIGNS. We can all just go back and Pretend that Everything we learned about "the World is NOT FLAT" -- is all wrong, Remember now, we can't sail out too far from shore, or we will "fall off the edge of the earth." And we can pretend we never reached the Moon, or explored the solar system with little robotic probes. And we can discard all medical progress, & go back to beating on drums and blowing smoke in the victim's faces. Why do right-wingers want to methodically erase all History of human knowledge & achievements? Main Reason: They were the dumbest kids in their class at school, and flunked those subjects. And NOW they are not any smarter than they were then, so STILL can't learn it. So instead they want to insist that ALL the rest of us have to be just as dumb as they are.

    Ask yourself why Repubs in Congress never have submitted any BILLS to Obama, to be approved? They just walk out & take a few months Vacation, & DO NOTHING. They are unable to think of new bills to propose, and to even READ the ones submitted by the Democrats. But if they stayed in Wash DC, everyone would hear exactly how dumb they are, & it would be filmed by the press & put on the NEWS, so the whole nation could see what jerks they had voted for.

    HOWEVER, we the people should not have to pay a Huge Salary to guys who are dumber than a box of rocks, and we should demand a REFUND of what salary they have cheated us out of. And then they would not be out in Las Vegas gambling & boozing OUR money away & picking up hookers. (Those are probably the only "real" JOBS the GOP have created).

    If you truly examine the so-called Education most right-wingers receive, often they have "fake" diplomas from a few "fake" universities. You may have heard of some of those places. For instance, Michelle Bachmann has gone to Oral Roberts University (a right wing preacher namesake) & HE was not only preaching False Christian Doctrine, but cheating sick people out of money for one of his "fake" medical cures for arthritis. It also shows you the character of these so-called right-wing "Christians" -- since Michelle Bachmann's husband made tons of money pretending to "cure" gay men, but all the people of true science know his methods are purely "bogus". But it sure helps to fill the Bachmann's Swiss Bank Accts, with lots of tax-free money.

    If you scratch beneath the surface of most right-wingers you will find sleaze balls, dummies, and outright crooks. And many of them are not ashamed of it. They have created their own environment of "approval" & even "applause" for being crooked and stupid. Even the famous Millionaires among them. But if you have more money than God, you can always bribe enough lawyers and officials to "cover your butt." And so it goes ----- America is now supposed to just go quietly "backward" in education, knowledge, invention, (& medical research) -- so our "enemies" the Communists, will go FORWARD, & take over the Whole Earth.

    REMEMBER that in the 1940's (World War II) Grandpa Prescott Bush, was aiding & abetting the NAZI's - Third Reich in Germany as they brutally exterminated millions of Jews. (NAZI's are National Socialists, akin to Communists). America fought a whole World War to stop them from their brutality. But Grandpa Prescott Bush was making tons of money with his Republican pals, helping the Nazi's corporation (I. G. FARBEN) to build military machines, concentration camps, & even Zyklon gas to kill the Jews. He & GOP pals were having such fun making money, that they wouldn't stop until Uncle Sam hit them with the "Trading With the Enemy Act" of 1942. (Think of the "morals" involved in that hideous Nazi investment).

    Then remember that Grandpa Prescott Bush was also a Yale graduate, who had belonged to the Skull & Bones Society, AS DID - DADDY BUSH, (#41) (George H. W. Bush) and then -- George W. Bush, Jr. (POTUS #43). High morals was apparently NOT a requirement for THAT membership. But I would hope that some degree of morals would be a requirement for PRESIDENT of the United States. (Guess I was wrong, since we see a whole lot of strange immoral conduct with Georgie, Jr, --- like a "War Crime" of starting a totally illegal WAR against IRAQ, (for totally bogus reasons) & with the very personal greedy motive of "stealing their OIL" --- to fill Bush pockets. NONE of that OIL money was shared with the American public to help pay the enormous cost of that war, or to pay for the Health care of the grievously wounded soldiers who managed to come back home alive. NO, not one dime of that money was given to the taxpaying American public, OR to the disabled & crippled soldiers who fought that war (an unnecessary lying war) -- since Bush & Co, were too busy raking in the $$Millions in their private & Swiss bank accts. FOR THEIR OWN PRIVATE crooked GREED, // IF THAT IS NOT TREASON, then the Dictionaries are way behind the times. If any true Justice ever prevailed (for the 9/11 War) the entire GOP would all be in Prison. (or worse).

    But true justice never prevails in a society that allows "rigging" of elections, for Communist millionaires (like the Koch Bros) to "buy" elections, & to "rig" the Supreme Court to always be on their side. IF a truly "good man" gets elected right now, you will see him getting ridiculed (by the phoney anchors on Faux News), & thwarted at every turn by crooked congressional Repubs, (too lazy & stupid to do their job). The American public is now basically naiive & unaware that our political system has been infiltrated by the Birch Society and other Communist influences, for 57 years. They could never understand that the Republicans have been trying with every means, (& using all their Million$) to takeover & destroy OUR "govt of, by & for the People". That IF this battle is lost, America WILL go backward 250 years, & lose our world leadership to the Communist forces abroad. And those very same Communists are the same ones (in the John Birch Society) who fought INTERNALLY (for 57 yrs) to subvert & destroy this American Democracy - & all its powerful influence in the world.
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    eternal flame Wrote: It is like the right-wingers are always saying --- they want to take us back to the Dark Ages. They want to reverse all our modern history, where we have freedoms and rights and modern conveniences. They want to UN-DO our Democracy. I guess they're all just a little bit "backward" (in mentality).

    This of course would mean that STUPIDITY REIGNS. We can all just go back and Pretend that Everything we learned about the World is NOT FLAT is all wrong, Remember now, we can't sail out too far from shore, or we will "fall off the edge of the earth." And we can pretend we never reached the Moon, or explored the solar system with little robotic probes. And we can discard all medical progress, & go back to beating on drums and blowing smoke in the victim's faces. Why do right-wingers want to methodically erase all History of human knowledge & achievements? Main Reason: They were the dumbest kids in their class at school, and flunked those subjects. And NOW they are not any smarter than they were then, so STILL can't learn it. So instead they want to insist that ALL the rest of us be as dumb as they are. Ask yourself why Repubs in Congress never have submitted any BILLS to Obama, to be approved? They just walk out & take a few months Vacation, & DO NOTHING. They are unable to think of new bills to propose, and to even READ the ones submitted by the Democrats. But if they stayed in Wash DC, everyone would hear exactly how dumb they are, & it would be filmed by the press and put on the NEWS, so the whole nation could see what jerks they had voted for. HOWEVER, we the people should not have to pay a Huge Salary to guys who are dumber than a box of moon rocks, and we should demand a REFUND of what salary they have cheated us out of. And then they would not be out in Las Vegas gambling & boozing OUR money away & picking up hookers. (Those are the only JOBS they have ever created). ha ha

    If you truly examine the so-called Education most right-wingers receive, often they have "fake" diplomas from a few "fake" universities. You may have heard of some of those places. For instance, Michelle Bachmann has gone to Oral Roberts University (a right wing preacher namesake) & HE was not only preaching False Christian Doctrine, but cheating sick people out of money for one of his "fake" medical cures for arthritis. It also shows you the character of these so-called right-wing "Christians" -- since Michelle Bachmann's husband made tons of money trying to "cure" gay men, and all people of true science knows his methods are purely "bogus". But it sure helps to fill the Bachmann's Swiss Bank Accts, with lotsa crooked money.

    If you scratch beneath the surface of most right-wingers you will find sleaze balls, dummies, and outright crooks. And many of them are not ashamed of it. They have created their own environment of "approval" & even "applause" for being crooked and stupid. Even the famous Millionaires among them. But if you have more money than God, you can always bribe lawyers and officials to "cover your butt." And so it goes ----- America is now supposed to just go quietly "backward" in education, knowledge, & invention, (& in medical research) -- so our "enemies" the Communists, will go FORWARD, & take over the Whole Earth. REMEMBER that in the 1940's (World War II) Grandpa Prescott Bush, was aiding & abetting the NAZI's - Third Reich in Germany as they brutally exterminated millions of Jews. (NAZI's are National Socialists, akin to Communists). America fought a whole World War to stop them from their brutality. But Grandpa Prescott Bush was making tons of money with his Republican pals, helping the Nazi's corporation (I. G. FARBEN) to build military machines, concentration camps, & even Zyklon gas to kill the Jews. He & GOP pals were having such fun making money, that they wouldn't stop until Uncle Sam hit them with the "Trading With the Enemy Act" of 1942. (Think of the "morals" involved in that hideous Nazi investment).

    Then remember that Grandpa Prescott Bush was also a Yale graduate, who had belonged to the Skull & Bones Society, AS DID - DADDY BUSH, (#41) (George H. W. Bush) and then -- George W. Bush, Jr. (POTUS #43). High morals was apparently NOT a requirement for THAT membership. But I would hope that some degree of morals would be a requirement for PRESIDENT of the United States. (Guess I was wrong, since we see a whole lot of strange immoral conduct with Georgie, Jr, --- like a "War Crime" of starting a totally illegal WAR against IRAQ, (for totally bogus reasons) & with the very personal greedy motive of "stealing their OIL" --- to fill Bush pockets. NONE of that OIL money was shared with the American public to help pay the enormous cost of that war, or to pay for the Health care of the grievously wounded soldiers who managed to come back home alive. NO, not one dime of that money was given to the taxpaying American public, OR to the disabled & crippled soldiers who fought that war (an unnecessary lying war) -- since Bush & Co, were too busy raking in the $$Millions in their private & Swiss bank accts. FOR THEIR OWN PRIVATE crooked GREED, // IF THAT IS NOT TREASON, then the Dictionaries are way behind the times. If any true Justice ever prevailed (for the 9/11 War) the entire GOP would all be in Prison. (or worse).

    But true justice never prevails in a society that allows "rigging" of elections, for Communist millionaires (like the Koch Bros) to "buy" elections, & to "rig" the Supreme Court to always be on their side. IF a truly "good man" gets elected right now, you will see him getting ridiculed (by the phoney anchors on Faux News), & thwarted at every turn by crooked congressional Repubs, (too lazy & stupid to do their job). The American public is now basically naiive & unaware that our political system has been infiltrated by the Birch Society and other Communist influences, for 57 years. They could never understand that the Republicans have been trying with every means, (& using all their Million$) to takeover & destroy OUR "govt of, by & for the People". That IF this battle is lost, America WILL go backward 250 years, and lose our world leadership, sacrificing it all to the Communist forces abroad. And those very same Communist forces are the same ones (JBS) who fought INTERNALLY to destroy this Democracy - to subvert & destroy American power in the world.
    Eternal; good piece; however I'm still amazed that you also belief in fairy tales; you know what I mean.
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    Obviously God is in charge of and directing everything. And global warming is God's punishment for man's exploitation of natural resources and flagrant dissipation of NATURNAL creation (resulting in disequilibrium of what God had created as terrestrial vs. atmospheric Carbon compounds). Of course God is jup there with his white skin and long beard and finger touching Adam's equivalent digit. How could anyone with any intelligence deny this depiction as documentary of cosmic creation?????
    Obiously God is "doing global warming" and resulting sea-level rising as a variation on the Noachian flood. What blasphemy that anyone would question that
    anything of man's manifestation is not, in exitstential-origination, God's CREATION?????
    But , , , , , , , , doesn't that lead us to assume that an aspect of God's CREATION is pollution and greenhouse hasses and existential antithesis in multifarious dimensions and domanis???????????????????????????????????????????????
    Shit!!!! I'm going to have to pray for guidance on this dilemma. But through which "channel" to reach God's program?
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    Please pardon the errors in the above post regarding God's punishment of man for man's ecological sins -- rather than the blasphemous assumption that anthing man could do would supervene God's Creation and ongoing determination.
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    Please check to see the pharmacy didn't switch your meds! ;)

    God is in control, so on second thought, I guess that would be impossible. Better check with LA's gardener, he may have some "inside" info to share with us.
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    pgr Wrote: Please check to see the pharmacy didn't switch your meds! ;)

    God is in control, so on second thought, I guess that would be impossible. Better check with LA's gardener, he may have some "inside" info to share with us.
    Pls sent L.A.'s gardener to my house; my lawn looks like shit; may be he has an "heavenly cure for it; I did not mean a "hurricane" ; I guess these start by "it" stirring "its" morning cup of brew up there.
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    Scientists going against the grain is extremely good too. Many ideas start off with 'rogue scientists' doing research and making claims. They are a part of the process that I would not want gone. The damage comes when politicians and people in power listen to these rogue scientists that don't have any science backing up their claim.
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    Zach F Wrote: Scientists going against the grain is extremely good too. Many ideas start off with 'rogue scientists' doing research and making claims. They are a part of the process that I would not want gone. The damage comes when politicians and people in power listen to these rogue scientists that don't have any science backing up their claim.
    I fully agree with both of your sentiments. Scientists making wild claims that they can eventually prove through the scientific method has changed the world in more ways than one. And rogue scientists who don't have any science backing them up do a huge disservice. The scientists denying global climate change fit into this category. They remind me of the 'scientists' the big tobacco companies hired to tell America that their product was perfectly safe.
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    There are many things on this earth we cannot ever know (for sure) --- & the pre-history of mankind is probably one of those things. But amazingly, whether by creation, or by evolution, --- all existing creatures have come to be living on this small planet. And by some extra miracle, the trees were here first, to create the oxygen for us to breathe, or we could not stay alive for 5 minutes. But how did the trees get here? And how many centuries would it take for them to create enough oxygen to cover the entire planet? But trees could not live without water. Where did that come from? And why didn't it all evaporate the minute it was formed? And then where did mankind come from? Many say we evolved from monkey-type animals, & there is much scientific proof that this could be true.

    If you say there was originally an empty space in the universe -- (but where did THAT come from)? --- & by accidental subatomic explosions, some gaseous clouds formed themselves into spheres, that began revolving around some blazing ball of fire, which we call the Sun. And very gradually, over thousands of centuries, these spheres began to develop some microscopic life forms. And for no apparent reason, bacteria, worms, fish, & dinosaurs all began to appear on earth. And mountains appeared, & by volcanic activity, more chemicals appeared, which activated DNA sequences, which created more complex organisms, & began evolving into the multitude of various species. ( IS THIS "Empty Universe" so much Easier to BELIEVE, than the Concept of a GOD & Creator? )

    And I forgot to mention all the other planets inside our own solar system, -- & ALL the OTHER solar systems in outer space,
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    ONE MORE THOUGHT: We all have lived during the Space Age --- which began when mankind first got into rocket ships & began exploring to see if human beings could survive, & actually reach -- the Moon. This first moon landing was approx 1969. There were no other living creatures inhabiting the Moon. And later, when we sent probes to Mars, we did not discover any life forms there, either. Which could mean we are ALONE in this universe - just an anomaly, or oddity, but never duplicated anywhere else. Once we found out we could not create any permanent settlements on the Moon or on Mars, we basically lost interest. It was too costly, & no basic minerals to exploit. But IF there had been ANY "intelligent species" up there, (who saw us arrive & depart) --- //

    // --What would THIS ALIEN SPECIES HAVE SAID?

    // "Look, up in the sky ! -- a blazing object is landing here on the Moon. I wonder if they might be basically humanoid in appearance?" --- "What could possibly be their objective?" --- "Maybe they want to enslave us, or to steal our natural resources." --- "Well, they sure don't look too intelligent to me, -- they must really be lost." --- "Should we reveal ourselves to them?" -- "Heck, NO, they would probably start shooting at us, or scaring the kids." ---- "OK, then -- we won't speak to them at all." ---- "Yeah, let's just go back into our underground cave dwellings." //

    // What would the ASTRONAUTS say? ---- "Roger, Houston: We are A-OK. But it is amazing we made a safe landing here." --- "This place is really sandy and full of holes." --- "We see a bit of primitive vegetation, but much smaller than cactus." --- and so far, not much water." --- "The climate is similar to Arizona, Hot, & dry" -- "Hey, LOOK!!" --- "Over by that small rock, I saw something moving -- it must just have been a few dust particles." --- "Nope, it must be more than that" --- "it looked like a parade of insects, waving their antennae at us, -- must be one of those "mirage" things, caused by the desert heat." --- "Well, Notify Houston, immediately, that on the next trip, we've gotta bring along a lot of insecticide & pest repellent." --- "Yeah, you can never be too careful.".... /// ----- E.F.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Zach F Wrote: Scientists going against the grain is extremely good too. Many ideas start off with 'rogue scientists' doing research and making claims. They are a part of the process that I would not want gone. The damage comes when politicians and people in power listen to these rogue scientists that don't have any science backing up their claim.
    I fully agree with both of your sentiments. Scientists making wild claims that they can eventually prove through the scientific method has changed the world in more ways than one. And rogue scientists who don't have any science backing them up do a huge disservice. The scientists denying global climate change fit into this category. They remind me of the 'scientists' the big tobacco companies hired to tell America that their product was perfectly safe.
    Or the 'scientists' that claimed that lead in gasoline was completely fine. We need a better policy for scientific advisory in government.