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The harmful effects of a scientist going "rogue"

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    eternal flame Wrote: ( IS THIS "Empty Universe" so much Easier to BELIEVE, than the Concept of a GOD & Creator? )
    Yes. It is. Let's set aside the "What created the creator" paradox for as sec and just look how we have zero evidence for a god or a creator being. When such evidence is discovered, then we can revisit the idea, but the concept needs to be left out of scientific reasoning until that time arises.
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    eternal flame Wrote: ONE MORE THOUGHT: We all have lived during the Space Age --- which began when mankind first got into rocket ships & space modules & began exploring if orbital landers could survive, & actually reach -- the Moon. This first moon landing was approx 1969. There were no other living creatures inhabiting the Moon. And later, when we sent probes to Mars, we did not discover any life forms there, either. Which could mean we are ALONE in this universe - just an anomaly, or oddity, but never duplicated anywhere else. Once we found out we could not create any kind of permanent settlement on the Moon or on Mars, we basically lost interest. It was much too costly, and no basic metals or minerals to exploit. But IF there had been ANY "intelligent species" up there, who saw us arrive and depart, --- what would THEY HAVE SAID?

    // "Look, up in the sky ! -- a blazing object is landing here on the Moon. I wonder if they might be basically humanoid in appearance?" --- "What could possibly be their objective?" --- "Maybe they want to enslave us, or to steal our natural resources." --- "Well, they sure don't look too intelligent to me, -- they must really be lost." --- "Should we reveal ourselves to them?" -- "Heck, NO, they would probably start shooting at us, or scaring the kids." ---- "OK, then -- we won't speak to them at all." ---- "Yeah, let's just go back underground into our cave dwellings." //

    // What would the ASTRONAUTS say? ---- "Roger, Houston: We are A-OK. But it is amazing we made a safe landing here." --- "This place is really sandy and full of holes." --- "We see a bit of primitive vegetation, but much smaller than cactus or cucumbers." --- and so far, not much water." --- "The climate is similar to
    Arizona, Hot, & dry" --- "Hey, LOOK!!" --- "Over by that small rock, I saw something moving -- it must just have been a few dust particles." --- "Nope, it must be more than that" --- "it looked like a parade of insects, waving their antennae at us, -- must be one of those "mirage" things, caused by the desert heat." --- "Well, Notify Houston, immediately, that on the next trip, we've gotta bring along a lot of insecticide & pest repellent." --- "Yeah, you can never be too careful."....
    What happened? Did you take the wrong "bottle" from the fridge? "Astronuts" until now have not found any form of "life" as we know it, anywhere in space; the only thing they came accross were some "dusty" well preserved "bones",which must have come from "jesus" who made an emergency landing, because he ran out of fuel on his way to Jupiter. The Romans had sanctioned AV-gas; they needed that themselves for their chariots; the NASCAR of those days.
    Oh ,sorry I also took the wrong bottle from my fridge.
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    Science is a very funny thing. Nothing is discovered until it is discovered. For many centuries, mankind did not even know where babies came from. They would have scoffed at the idea that there were tiny invisible sperm, and tiny invisible "eggs" (ovum) that magically merged to create the babies in the womb . Even after the invention of the microscope, it took a long while before they learned all the secrets of human reproduction.

    How do we know if there is life on another planet, until we go there? So far, we have only gone to the Moon & Mars. And both of them are uninhabitable, for any more than a couple of weeks, at best. (On MARS, there is NO water, NO oxygen, & NO vegetation for food. -- & the temperature is way too high for humans.
    -- but I still give a lot of credit to the hundreds of brave people who volunteered to go there (on a "one way mission") anyway.

    Someday, in the distant future, maybe some intergalactic space men will be checking out this solar system. And meanwhile, they will ask --- was there ever life on planet Earth? And they will look around to examine this dead planet, to find that War, Disease, & massive Pollution brought this once-thriving world to an end.
    They will find that the ocean is filled with oil sludge, - bodies of rotting animals & fish species,- & rusted mangled wreckage of factories, Then the aliens will ask -- have there ever been any survivors? With hearts full of hope, they blast off to our nearest orbiting satellite -- (the Moon) -- to search for clues. --- It will not be long until they see -- a few ancient footprints (of rubber astronaut boots) -- & an old tattered United States FLAG -- it says: "ONE GIANT LEAP for MANKIND."
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    eternal flame Wrote: Science is a very funny thing. Nothing is discovered until it is discovered. For many centuries, mankind did not even know where babies came from. They would have scoffed at the idea that there were tiny invisible sperm, and tiny invisible "eggs" (ovum) that magically merged to create the babies in the womb . Even after the invention of the microscope, it took a long while before they learned all the secrets of human reproduction.

    How do we know if there is life on another planet, until we go there? So far, we have only gone to the Moon & Mars. And both of them are uninhabitable, for any more than a couple of weeks, at best. (On MARS, there is NO water, NO oxygen, & NO vegetation for food. -- & the temperature is way too high for humans.
    -- but I still give a lot of credit to the hundreds of brave people who volunteered to go there (on a "one way mission") anyway.

    Someday, in the distant future, maybe some intergalactic space men will be checking out this solar system. And meanwhile, they will ask --- was there ever life on planet Earth? And they will look around to examine this dead planet, to find that War, Disease, & massive Pollution brought this once-thriving world to an end.
    They will find that the ocean is filled with oil sludge, - bodies of rotting animals & fish species,- & rusted mangled wreckage of factories, Then the aliens will ask -- have there ever been any survivors? With hearts full of hope, they blast off to our nearest orbiting satellite -- (the Moon) -- to search for clues. --- It will not be long until they see -- a few ancient footprints (of rubber astronaut boots) -- & an old tattered United States FLAG -- it says: "ONE GIANT LEAP for MANKIND."
    Eternal; yes you are right. The last sentence about the "leap" is about as nutty as " God's will" , since we are "nothing" at all in the universe; we are just one grain of sand on the beach of the universe. Chances to find a planet with "earthly" conditions is like playing the lotto. Even if we find something like this in no time we have poluted that place as well and it becomes a revolving door. Of course the "rich" will get the priority to go there first and built their castles and later on some of the poor are imported to mow their "heavenly" lawns and maintain their azur blue space pools.
    Anyway since we spent all our money now and forever on the "wars" there is none left to go explore space; we barely can maintain the spacestation; we need the help of the Russians for that. So keep on dreaming and just "leap" into your earthly "pool".
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    eternal flame Wrote: Science is a very funny thing. Nothing is discovered until it is discovered. For many centuries, mankind did not even know where babies came from. They would have scoffed at the idea that there were tiny invisible sperm, and tiny invisible "eggs" (ovum) that magically merged to create the babies in the womb . Even after the invention of the microscope, it took a long while before they learned all the secrets of human reproduction.
    I'm not so sure I follow you at all here. How in the world did early humans reproduce if they didn't know where babies came from? Did they just randomly hump each other and eventually realize that a male and female were needed to make an offspring?

    I agree that it took many years to understand every single scientific thing happening throughout the nine months of human gestation, but I'm rather confident that early humans fully understood sexual intercourse was what brought about offspring.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    eternal flame Wrote: Science is a very funny thing. Nothing is discovered until it is discovered. For many centuries, mankind did not even know where babies came from. They would have scoffed at the idea that there were tiny invisible sperm, and tiny invisible "eggs" (ovum) that magically merged to create the babies in the womb . Even after the invention of the microscope, it took a long while before they learned all the secrets of human reproduction.
    I'm not so sure I follow you at all here. How in the world did early humans reproduce if they didn't know where babies came from? Did they just randomly hump each other and eventually realize that a male and female were needed to make an offspring?

    I agree that it took many years to understand every single scientific thing happening throughout the nine months of human gestation, but I'm rather confident that early humans fully understood sexual intercourse was what brought about offspring.
    Jared, you should know better, Adam and Eve just dropped out of a palm tree only 6000 years ago and observed a dinosaur's sex life; however they never knew that if you ate a chicken's egg that that egg does not hatch anymore. I still think babies are produced in hospitals.
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    I was under the impression that alien space ships delivered babies to Earth every night at midnight, for distribution to the "enlightened". Am I mistaken?
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    PGR; I guess you are a "believer" ; indeed "Jesus's" birth sperm was delivered by spaceship, just ask the Pope. He's still collecting money to pay for that spaceship and its fuel. Can you imagine if the GPS would have screwed up and an "Inca" girl would have gotten "that baby" then likely we would not had that many wars.
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    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you should know better, Adam and Eve just dropped out of a palm tree only 6000 years ago and observed a dinosaur's sex life; however they never knew that if you ate a chicken's egg that that egg does not hatch anymore. I still think babies are produced in hospitals.
    The sad thing about this statement is that 42% of Americans actually believe it.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you should know better, Adam and Eve just dropped out of a palm tree only 6000 years ago and observed a dinosaur's sex life; however they never knew that if you ate a chicken's egg that that egg does not hatch anymore. I still think babies are produced in hospitals.
    The sad thing about this statement is that 42% of Americans actually believe it.
    Yes Jared; they also believe "dead" bodies can "fly" to outerspace, as well that "human babies" can become a "God'", who helped his Dad create the whole huge universe; but never knew America or Australia existed because he agreed the world was flat; otherwise the "human" written bible would have said it was "round" because "god's know everything!!! Wow an very intelligent country indeed.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Jared, you should know better, Adam and Eve just dropped out of a palm tree only 6000 years ago and observed a dinosaur's sex life; however they never knew that if you ate a chicken's egg that that egg does not hatch anymore. I still think babies are produced in hospitals.
    The sad thing about this statement is that 42% of Americans actually believe it.
    Yes Jared; they also believe "dead" bodies can "fly" to outerspace, as well that "human babies" can become a "God'", who helped his Dad create the whole huge universe; but never knew America or Australia existed because he agreed the world was flat; otherwise the "human" written bible would have said it was "round" because "god's know everything!!! Wow an very intelligent country indeed.
    May I ask "who"it is that YOU say believe that "dead" bodies can "fly" to outer space? I am certainly not one of those, because I dug graves all through high school and 1 year thereafter, and even had to dig UP some graves in order to have them moved. Let me assure you that I have seen with my own eyes that dead bodies are dead, there is nothing but rotting and decay--which I have smelled and there is no other smell like that. Only bones are left, so there is no body to do any flying.
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    Michael39301 Wrote: May I ask "who"it is that YOU say believe that "dead" bodies can "fly" to outer space? I am certainly not one of those, because I dug graves all through high school and 1 year thereafter, and even had to dig UP some graves in order to have them moved. Let me assure you that I have seen with my own eyes that dead bodies are dead, there is nothing but rotting and decay--which I have smelled and there is no other smell like that. Only bones are left, so there is no body to do any flying.
    I will let Dutch speak for himself, but I would venture to guess he was being sarcastic.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Michael39301 Wrote: May I ask "who"it is that YOU say believe that "dead" bodies can "fly" to outer space? I am certainly not one of those, because I dug graves all through high school and 1 year thereafter, and even had to dig UP some graves in order to have them moved. Let me assure you that I have seen with my own eyes that dead bodies are dead, there is nothing but rotting and decay--which I have smelled and there is no other smell like that. Only bones are left, so there is no body to do any flying.
    I will let Dutch speak for himself, but I would venture to guess he was being sarcastic.
    Yes Michael is right; life on this planet just recycles for any living thing; including Pope's. preachers or human created " God'"s Sure I was pure sarcastic. My favorite trade.Sorry I did not want to wake up the "dead" another "religious" lady does that, ask "Eternal"
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    This weekend America learned that FL's top environmental officials have been banned by their leadership from saying the words; "climate change", "global warming", and "sea level rise". This shows that this evangelical nuthead Scott only "beliefs" in fairy tales and does not give a hoot about the environment, which is proven also by his election, which was "bought" as usual by the poluting industries. I hope he'll becomes a victim of his own idiotic stance.