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Cops seize and keep your money. Too bad

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  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Since 9/11 Police have made 61,998 seizures. Seized 2.5 Billion dollars. Have kept 1.7 Billion dollars.
    Lowest link has a map reflecting money seized by state.
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    There was just a story on CNN about how police officers are seizing cash to pay for seminars and whatever.
    The story was about two men who were pulled over while driving on the highway for changing lanes without using a turn signal.
    After checking and searching their vehicle...... it was found that they had medical marijuana. This led to a larger search and in the trunk
    the police found a locked leather bag that contained 100,000.00. This is because the two men are professional/tournament poker players.
    The police seized the 100k. The men weren't charged for any crime. After months of negotiations, the men agreed to forfeit 10,000 and take
    90,000.00 of their money. This is apparently happening frequently across America. The above story happened in Iowa.
    Another couple were traveling to make a real estate transaction. It did not happen so on their way back to their home they were stopped
    and 48,000.00 was seized. News flash..... Cops may not kill you but they may take all of your money.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/17/dc-rethinks-rules-that-let-police-seize-keep-suspe/?page=all


    http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2014/05/13/sides-debate-legality-police-seizing-couples-k/9068469/

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/investigative/2014/09/06/stop-and-seize/

    I
    think this story is important and worth your attention.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    I had heard about this, but didn't realize how pervasive it is in police departments across the country. $2.5 billion seized. Sheesh. This is legalized highway robbery not that far different than what the barbary coast pirates were doing in the 17th century. These authorities have lost all perspective on their jobs. No wonder corruption is so rampant and that the citizens are so distrusting of the police.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Sheriff Vogul in Volusia County, Florida was doing this since the mid-nineties. I can tell you all about asset forfeiture. The feds took everything from me. Mind you, I had always had a job during my my run...that didn't matter, if it had any value...they took it. Including my jewelery.

    Sheriff Vogul had his troopers taking from anyone,,,,teachers, construction workers...anyone. 60 minutes had done a story on him 20 years ago. If they found a roach of marijuana he would even seize your vehicle and then officers would have first crack at buying your vehicle at police auctions. Bill Clinton was the president responsible for expanding federal powers on the drug war during his presidency. Bill Clinton was responsible for many "rights" being severely restricted during his reign.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    Yes ! And in one of the stories........ some seized money was used to buy Tequila and a Margarita machine......Your tax dollars at work.....
    I think your comparison to Piracy was very valid.
  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    The police have too much power! This is disgusting but a fact of life. It really is time to crack down on the police in this country?
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    Economics. Everyone just wants a piece of the pie. They knew the public supported the war on drugs (initially) so evrybody got in line. Even today, the feds and state still fight over drug proceeds because these federal drug task forces that are formed....are actually local cops on loan to the feds because federal dollars pay for the task force budgets. Theres always an argument as to who gets what.

    When they ran out of suspects for the month.... state agencies started apllying these forfeiture laws to evreryone carrying cash..... to buy better equipment.... "margarita machines"
    It worked out great for everyone....except us.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    John Oliver did a fifteen minute bit on this a few months back. That was the first I ever heard of this obvious violation of our rights as citizens and I've done a lot of research on it since his lampooning of the practice.

    It is absolutely insane that cops have been doing this, without any repercussions, for years. How in their right minds do they think this is sound policing? I thought cops are supposed to protect and serve, not steal and pad their own pockets with our money. They have to provide no proof that a crime has been committed, can steal whatever they hell they want, and make it literally impossible to get your money back. I'm really afraid that we are becoming more and more a police state in this country where our cops literally have zero rules and can do whatever the hell they want, whenever they want.

    The bright side of this whole charade is that Attorney General Holder is trying to reign this practice in. Unfortunately his order was murky and didn't take into account that many cops who are part of their local drug task force are also deputized as federal agents. Since his order explicitly exempts any seizure conducted by a federal authority, we most likely won't be seeing much change at all.

    I hope those who so valiantly stick up for cops rights take a long hard look at this practice and ask themselves how they would feel if they were pulled over and had their possessions taken from them, without warrant, and with no recourse to retrieve the items that were stolen from them.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    The stories in the above links suggest that once they take your money it's a long drawn out battle to try to get it back. And if you do it's months or years later. Not to mention all that you have to spend on lawyers just to get back what is already yours. That's Bull$h!t.
    Now that the tide has changed and CO, WA, ALask., Ore, and D.C. have voted for recreational use....... Hopefully the govt wanting as much money for the War on Drugs - won't be as easy of an argument to make.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: The stories in the above links suggest that once they take your money it's a long drawn out battle to try to get it back. And if you do it's months or years later. Not to mention all that you have to spend on lawyers just to get back what is already yours. That's Bull$h!t.
    It's an absolute shame. It really is. It's stories like these that make me go back to our Constitution and try to find where it says that an all powerful police state is justifiable.

    Did you watch the video I posted? John Oliver did a phenomenal job explaining the batshit craziness of this practice in a way only he can.
    Tony Johnson Wrote: Now that the tide has changed and CO, WA, ALask., Ore, and D.C. have voted for recreational use....... Hopefully the govt wanting as much money for the War on Drugs - won't be as easy of an argument to make.
    This is wishful thinking, but I try to always be as optimistic as I possibly can. These cops will just find another reason to steal from the people they pull over up and until the time we make a law that forbids them from doing so. And we will have to be hyper vigilant even if we accomplish that feat because cops always try to skirt the law. They are the law in their eyes.

    Congress passed a law almost twenty years ago that forced cops to begin documenting who they killed and why they did it. You know what happened? They completely ignored the law and do so to this day. So forgive me if I'm a little jaded and have a hard time believing we can ever force cops to stop stealing from us. If we can't force them to tell us who they killed and why they did it, then how in the world can we ever force them to stop stealing from a citizen who broke no law whatsoever?
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    jared,
    I agree with you completely. As we both know there are those who worship the cops. Believe that they do no wrong. I don't think that for one second.
    I haven't watched the John Oliver video yet. I am looking forward to doing so. He has a gift for mixing a vital message with real humor. I'll watch it very soon. I've been busy looking stuff up on the internet. Take it easy.

    Just watched the video. Unreal !!!!!!!!!!! I swear, if I ever hit the lottery......... My money will go to Switzerland/Caymans, and I'll go to the Caribbean.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: jared,
    I agree with you completely. As we both know there are those who worship the cops. Believe that they do no wrong. I don't think that for one second.
    I haven't watched the John Oliver video yet. I am looking forward to doing so. He has a gift for mixing a vital message with real humor. I'll watch it very soon. I've been busy looking stuff up on the internet. Take it easy.

    Just watched the video. Unreal !!!!!!!!!!! I swear, if I ever hit the lottery......... My money will go to Switzerland/Caymans, and I'll go to the Caribbean.
    May be you could ask Romney what is a good bank in the Caymans; the only advise I can give: stay away from the "cops" and anything what "smells" like government. Only your "dog" is save (except they may shoot it).