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Indonesia executes foreigners for drug offences

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    RT, January 18, 2015: Brazil, Netherlands recall Indonesia ambassadors after citizens executed on drug charges

    "Brazil and the Netherlands have recalled their ambassadors to Indonesia after the island nation executed five foreigners and an Indonesian woman on drug trafficking charges. Amnesty International has condemned the executions as a “retrograde step."

    "Despite numerous appeals, five foreigners from Nigeria, Malawi, Vietnam, the Netherlands, and Brazil – along with one Indonesian – were shot by a firing squad shortly after midnight on Sunday.

    "Dutch Foreign Minister Bert Koenders called the executions "a cruel and inhumane punishment” and “an unacceptable denial of human dignity and integrity.”

    I don't claim any knowledge or understanding of this, but I would have to agree with the Dutch Foreign Minister that it is a cruel and unusual punishment.

    Thoughts?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt; my thoughts are that more and more Muslim oriented countries get more and more controlled by this religion; Saudia Arabia has also strict punishment and this keeps them in power. I guess it is a whole world increased "power" play. Especialy after the French new cartoons they've shown more fanatism.
  • Center Left
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    I think what was done was evil. However.......... Don't go to other countries and break the law. Dutch, you mentioned religion but these people weren't killed for religious reasons. They were punished for breaking the law. In some places the punishment is soft. In other places it's harsh.
  • Democrat
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    Although execution is a rather drastic measure but housing people in inhumane conditions for untold years is also cruel and inhumane ,so much so that some may want to be executed than spend any substantial time in those prisons, I suppose there has to be a line drawn to signify the difference between punishment and rehabilitation , some place's don't believe in the latter. I would hate to think that that cost of housing as opposed to an execution would be a factor in determining a method of imprisonment or a mode of execution, but so often is the case that whenever the costs of correctional facilities is being debated these items are factored into the argument. here Pa. we have one of the highest rates of death row inmates as opposed to lifers, but we don't use the extreme penalty of death for either political or humane reasons although the law does allow for it's use. I don't have an answer but when I see what some people do to children ,I want them to suffer just as badly and maybe death would be to easy for them, then I see where DNA process has shown the innocence of some of those incorrectly imprisoned and I think is it worth allowing 1 guilty man to go free so that a innocent man might not be convicted, I don't know, this issue raises to many conflicts within my self to really give it an objective opinion.
  • Liberal
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    Dutch Wrote: Schmidt; my thoughts are that more and more Muslim oriented countries get more and more controlled by this religion; Saudia Arabia has also strict punishment and this keeps them in power. I guess it is a whole world increased "power" play. Especialy after the French new cartoons they've shown more fanatism.
    Dutch, you made my point from the other topic. and now you seem to be swithching your position(somewhat) IT IS MUSLIM ORIENTED....you can't help people who live in this "world of genies"
    Again, killing over cartoons. And what are these good muslims (moderate) doing about it??? well, they seem to be just as mad at those cartoonist. Most of these civilian Muslims you defend silently applaud these extremist......remember, it's tolerated.
    There's an old saying you guys should remember..."If you're not with me then your against me"
  • Center Left
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    L.A.,
    There's another thread if you want to talk about the terrorists and the cartoon people being killed.
    This thread is about people being killed for selling drugs in a foreign country.
    My point is if you don't like their justice........... DON'T GO THERE. And if you do go there and you want a buzz........
    drink heavily and stay out of prison and off of death row.
  • Liberal
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: L.A.,
    There's another thread if you want to talk about the terrorists and the cartoon people being killed.
    This thread is about people being killed for selling drugs in a foreign country.
    My point is if you don't like their justice........... DON'T GO THERE. And if you do go there and you want a buzz........
    drink heavily and stay out of prison and off of death row.
    You don't see it either Tony The two topics are combined in that it's the ideology. Yes I agree, don't go there. But you see, these moderate muslims are quick to kill a foreigner for drugs without hesitation, but they demand that other countries be tolerant with them. These moderates (as you like to call them) you know ...these good muslims subscribe to the same ideology. It's the same book.
    Like you said....don't go there. I agree. I say...Don't come here.
    People who consider themselves to be civil (globally)....actually take a self righteous position themselves...it's almost like when the top academic sholars in this country talk down to the regular folk. You see these top Rhodes scholars from Harvard talking down to the rest of us....It's the same way of thinking only on a different level...... Because "they" know what's good for us. These are the people who sold you "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS and TOLERANCE.
    In order for anyone to be tolerant of anything.... conffict or a disagreement must already exist between two parties. So, tolerance should be negotiated. In other words.....we got to come to an agreement. I'm not just gonna tolerate anyone or any subject just because.....NO SIR, the world doesn't operate like that..
    The US takes a self righteous position (politically) and our soldiers were killed because of it. All because we had to be "SENSITIVE" to these savages. That's great, but when you send a kid from my country over there I don't care who he kills to come home, because you sent him to a situation where he disadvantaged. That's not a war and the only reason I disagreed with these wars.

    SO TONY, this is why the two threads relate to each other
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: I think what was done was evil. However.......... Don't go to other countries and break the law. Dutch, you mentioned religion but these people weren't killed for religious reasons. They were punished for breaking the law. In some places the punishment is soft. In other places it's harsh.
    Tony, sorry it has everything to do with the Muslim ruling; the same as in Saudia Arabia; the difference is they chop your head off instead of shooting you. The the crime's itself indeed has nothing to do with religion, but the laws are made on Shaira law which is religious.