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  • Liberal Democrat
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    BBC News, January 7, 2014: Charlie Hebdo: Gun attack on French magazine kills 12

    "Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and injuring seven in an apparent Islamist attack.

    At least three masked attackers opened fire with assault rifles in the office and exchanged shots with police in the street outside before escaping by car. The gunmen shouted "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad", witnesses say."

    Story is developing...
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    French authorities reported that 12 were killed and five were seriously injured in the attack.

    The terrorist attacked the employees who were in an editorial meeting and 'headed straight for the paper's editor. Stephane Charbonnier.' In all, ten journalists and two policemen were killed in the attack.

    This was a very different type of attack than what we are used to seeing. These terrorists seemed to be highly trained and had every intention of getting away from the scene of the attack. They wore masks and drove away from the scene at a 'normal' speed, attempting to blend in with the rest of traffic. A massive manhunt is now underway, but I can't imagine how big of a manhunt you can have until you figure out the suspects you are hunting.

    Today's terrorist attack is an affront to Freedom of Speech and has to be dealt with in a manor which shows those who want to stifle this right that they will not be successful. They may win a battle or two, but they will not win the war against an individuals or peoples right to freely express themselves.

    This has the potential sparking the anti-Islamic powder keg that has been simmering in France, and throughout the greater European Union, for the past few years. My main worry is that we will begin to see revenge killings in predominately Muslim neighborhoods, which then pushes even moderate Muslims to take up arms. There is a growing white nationalist movement sweeping throughout Europe and we may be in for some dangerous times if that genie gets out of the bottle.
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    Schmidt Wrote: BBC News, January 7, 2014: Charlie Hebdo: Gun attack on French magazine kills 12

    "Gunmen have attacked the Paris office of French satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo, killing 12 people and injuring seven in an apparent Islamist attack.

    At least three masked attackers opened fire with assault rifles in the office and exchanged shots with police in the street outside before escaping by car. The gunmen shouted "we have avenged the Prophet Muhammad", witnesses say."

    Story is developing...
    I saw on the Dutch news how they shot a policeman who was wounded in the head, while they took of in a Citroen
  • Liberal Democrat
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    In watching the various news clips, and interviews with "experts", one must acknowledge that the attacks were planned by gunmen well trained in the use of their weapons, the AK-47s. Maybe they had training in the Middle East or elsewhere in the many countries with Islamic conflicts including those in North Africa. They also seem to speak fluent French, and at least one commentator suggested because of that the gunmen may have been born in France. Once they shed their military garments, they will blend in with the crowds.
  • Democrat
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    I wonder how long it will take for those countries in Europe and around the world to begin following America's example of police force and reaction. Now that terror is breeding faster than rabbits in a clover field, people will begin seeing a change in their attitude on police tactics. There is a need for character change, but it should never be at the expense of forcing the Police to drop their guard and react with subtle reactions to a crime. We should all honor our brave Police around the world and hope that they can continue the fight against terror and crime. Although, France I realize is one of those nations that police carry weapons similar to the American Police, nations such as England will start rethinking their limited Police carry of guns because of these terror attacks. That call for Police tactics to react with a long assessment of "how" to react is contributing to more Police coming under weapons fire. I believe if you see the culprit threatening with a weapon, there's "no" time for an assessment, just render him incapable of using that weapon at all costs. The time for casual and instructive discussion is in a classroom with the public or even to engage in conversation on the street, but if it is ever shown resisting arrest, having a weapon or noncompliance to an Police order, than it is time for full Police armed reaction. The public needs to realize we have many terrorists and criminals that intend to do harm to peaceful citizens.
  • Democrat
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    It will be so difficult to stem any tide of Anti-Islamic feelings or even revenge killings, especially when it's people you knew that were slain, and if there is a way to separate the radical from the more moderate believers of Islam, then that should be tried, however since so many moderates are afraid to speak out against these killers because of the fear of reprisals, that I don't see any lessening of the anti-Islamic crowd coming any time soon.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: The time for casual and instructive discussion is in a classroom with the public or even to engage in conversation on the street, but if it is ever shown resisting arrest, having a weapon or noncompliance to an Police order, than it is time for full Police armed reaction. The public needs to realize we have many terrorists and criminals that intend to do harm to peaceful citizens.
    Did you just say the police should have the right to murder someone who has the audacity to question why they are being arrested? And are you saying American police need to adopt this standard or everyone else? You do realize America is inundated with guns and citizens do have a right to carry one, right??

    Nothing like using a tragedy to call for a full blown police state...
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: however since so many moderates are afraid to speak out against these killers because of the fear of reprisals, that I don't see any lessening of the anti-Islamic crowd coming any time soon.
    This is a patently false statement, but when has that ever stopped you before? There are countless moderates Muslims out there who constantly rail against militant Islam. You just haven't taken the time to listen to them.

    Our media has fanned these flames of anti-Islamic fervor, so I don't fully blame you. But, it is very easy to find hundreds, if not thousands, of sources of moderate Muslims railing against extremism and insisting they disavow everything extremists stand for.
  • Democrat
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    There may have been a few but a very large majority don't, so my statement is not false, ,you might have listened to the CAIR spokesmen but that is only lip service and you know it. , but of course you are always angling for an argument, so I just consider the source. btw, I never put a number on the amount of Muslims who won't rail as you call it, against the Radicals, I said many but as I have already mentioned you are always angling for an argument.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: There may have been a few but a very large majority don't, so my statement is not false, ,you might have listened to the CAIR spokesmen but that is only lip service and you know it. , but of course you are always angling for an argument, so I just consider the source.
    The Arab League, Al-Azhar mosque of Egypt, and many other Arab organizations have already officially condemned the attack. I'll update the list as more come out.

    Al-Azhar is a thousand year old mosque that is widely respected around the Muslim world. They released a statement that said, in part, that 'Islam denounces any violence.'

    But I guess those are all really weak sources...
  • Democrat
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    As I said , only lip service, these countries may condemn these groups in their respective countries, while doing little to stop them, that is as long as the radicals are killing those who oppose their views and not those who agree with them, but when the terrorist strike in country;'s far from them, it's only lip service again.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Well then it doesn't matter who condemns it because you can just say you don't like the source. That totally makes sense...
  • Democrat
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    When I said consider the source I meant you!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: When I said consider the source I meant you!
    Are you twelve years old?

    I encourage you to get back on topic or stop participating in this thread. Hijacking threads by leveling ad hominen attacks will not be allowed.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    AlJazeera:

    "I am extremely angry. These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their soul to hell. This is not freedom. This is not Islam, and I hope the French will come out united at the end of this," said Hassen Chalghoumi, imam of the Drancy mosque in Paris' Seine-St.-Denis northern suburb.