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Future Time Line in Space Exploration

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  • Democrat
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    A previous post by Mr. Schmidt on the F-35 had many negative responses to why we continue to throw money at a military adventure. Although, the merit of such funding provides a country with many benefits pursuing security of our nation, it has tangible relationships with other massive funded programs, namely space exploration. We may think that NASA and partners are only in peaceful coexistence with space exploration, far-out discoveries, and advances in technology, this science venture to the unknowns parallels maintaining strength's in our military. So, you can say that NASA and DOD work hand-in-hand in developing the course of our future. Each research project, discovery and all the work involved are connected together like a family unit. When one element succeeds, everyone in the family succeeds. Both non-military and military appropriations from the taxpayer are used together collectively to enhance their own agendas. It often appears that the military has the upper hand, I cannot say for certain, but I could believe that the military has tools that public is not aware of and those advanced products are decades away from being disclosed. On the other hand, NASA and space partners (international) do have their ways to receive continued grants or funding to further develop their agendas. Depending on NASA's achievements, the military will always have their codependence with their NASA partner.

    Web links to ponder on are such: http://futuretimeline.net/subject/space.htm

    This link shows planned NASA events through 2029 with a last planned mission to Saturn. Wow! If you search on subjects, such as, "Future Space Missions", you can find many other links and search items to give that "WOW" factor. As you search on NASA's future, look into DOD and/or military future weapons. There is an appearance of co-development between NASA (peaceful agenda) and Military/DOD (security and defense).

    While searching I did locate an interesting piece that made me remember my Naval career on aircraft carriers and specifically working around electronic warfare systems. That was decades ago, but the advances in technology are astounding. Apparently, Boeing is publicizing their missile called CHAMP, which is a system for electronic warfare. If launched and activated near a large city, all electronics, including cars, planes, buses, communications and even power grids are shut down. When you search on electronic warfare you will read where other countries like Russia also have this technology. So, a war if it happens will be catastrophic between major world powers and would not require the use of nuclear weapons, just shut down everything using electronic warfare. The things that would stop or delay our planned world partnership into space would be a war. NASA would try to continue with other countries to get off this planet with discovery missions, but they also would be hampered by the same element they co-depend on, the military. Does this seem like petting the head of a viper? On one hand you need the defense of the nation and on the other hand you need the cooperation of the very same elements that destroy whatever you have achieved. I don't know what the answer is other than "Hope" and an abiding faith that God will see us through all of this.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    AMC -- Much of what you say is true, and I certainly agree that we need to be using our best combined resources to conquer space while also also dealing with things like cyber warfare. What bothers me, however, is the word "codependency" or your words "family unit" as it applies to a partnership of the military and almost any other facet of our society. It would seem that as military budgets have mushroomed and encroached into traditional non-military areas, we cannot do anything anymore without some role of the military or piece of technology developed with the help of the military. As long as the military alone has the big bucks to spend, others will be forced to work with them...not so much as a codependency but rather as a dependency. Aerospace, satellite technology, drones, robotics, cyberspace, Ebola, police departments, natural disaster response, climate change planning, civil engineering projects...everywhere you look, both domestically and overseas, there is a component of military involvement and decision making at some level. I will agree that much of the technology developed for defense has applications in other parts of society. But isn't that mainly because they control the biggest chunk of the money and can spread it around without much oversight or accountability?

    The codependency with the military is not healthy for a society because it puts the military on a higher pedestal than they rightfully deserve, and it gives them increasing power and say so over the civilian parts of our society. I suppose the extreme example of that is Egypt.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: As long as the military alone has the big bucks to spend, others will be forced to work with them...not so much as a codependency but rather as a dependency. Aerospace, satellite technology, drones, robotics, cyberspace, Ebola, police departments, natural disaster response, climate change planning, civil engineering projects...everywhere you look, both domestically and overseas, there is a component of military involvement and decision making at some level. I will agree that much of the technology developed for defense has applications in other parts of society. But isn't that mainly because they control the biggest chunk of the money and can spread it around without much oversight or accountability?
    We witnessed the highlighted section only a couple months ago when it was reported a super-secret Air Force spy craft landed after spending 674 days in orbit. This is what happens when our military has billions of dollars to spend on toys while at the same time gutting the civilian dominated NASA budget. The military creates weapons of war and we can only assume this spacecraft is another step towards weaponizing space. The more we divest from NASA and invest in the military, the more other nations will do the same with their space programs. So instead of working together to explore infinity and beyond, we are preparing the world for the next great battlefield.
    Schmidt Wrote: The codependency with the military is not healthy for a society because it puts the military on a higher pedestal than they rightfully deserve, and it gives them increasing power and say so over the civilian parts of our society. I suppose the extreme example of that is Egypt.
    I fully agree. Our Constitution shows that our Founders were very, very worried about an all powerful military. So much so that they divided the oversight of the military between two branches of Government. Unfortunately, the Legislative Branch has abrogated that responsibility and given the Executive Branch and private military contractors a blank check for the past fifteen years. If we don't figure out a way to reign that in then we will eventually become Egypt, or worse.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: As long as the military alone has the big bucks to spend, others will be forced to work with them...not so much as a codependency but rather as a dependency. Aerospace, satellite technology, drones, robotics, cyberspace, Ebola, police departments, natural disaster response, climate change planning, civil engineering projects...everywhere you look, both domestically and overseas, there is a component of military involvement and decision making at some level. I will agree that much of the technology developed for defense has applications in other parts of society. But isn't that mainly because they control the biggest chunk of the money and can spread it around without much oversight or accountability?
    We witnessed the highlighted section only a couple months ago when it was reported a super-secret Air Force spy craft landed after spending 674 days in orbit. This is what happens when our military has billions of dollars to spend on toys while at the same time gutting the civilian dominated NASA budget. The military creates weapons of war and we can only assume this spacecraft is another step towards weaponizing space. The more we divest from NASA and invest in the military, the more other nations will do the same with their space programs. So instead of working together to explore infinity and beyond, we are preparing the world for the next great battlefield.
    Schmidt Wrote: The codependency with the military is not healthy for a society because it puts the military on a higher pedestal than they rightfully deserve, and it gives them increasing power and say so over the civilian parts of our society. I suppose the extreme example of that is Egypt.
    I fully agree. Our Constitution shows that our Founders were very, very worried about an all powerful military. So much so that they divided the oversight of the military between two branches of Government. Unfortunately, the Legislative Branch has abrogated that responsibility and given the Executive Branch and private military contractors a blank check for the past fifteen years. If we don't figure out a way to reign that in then we will eventually become Egypt, or worse.
    Yes Jared; the danger is indeed a dictatorship run by the military; we are not far away from that; the Pentagon's power gets only bigger by the day. Not even Obama has the guts to stop it , let alone stop the F35 project, because the Pentagon rules, not him!!!
  • Democrat
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    As part of the past star wars development, lasers were top bid for contracts, so I was not surprised to see that Lockheed will receive over $600M for their share in military hardware procurement and laser weapon production. I even notice that investor advisers are promoting purchasing stock on all this weapon development, because it promises to be a good year (2015) for weapons. Many years ago I remember driving by the Boeing plant in Seattle and each day seeing the large odd shaped 747 plane near the hangars. It was part of the star wars development in the 70's. Inside that large pregnant-looking 747 was a laser weapon system. So, here we are 40 years later and lasers are smaller than car and pack enormous power firing "free" shots of high burst energy to destroy targets. I say free shots, because the funding required to fire this weapon is almost nonexistent, so as to be called free. It appears our world is getting ready with space laser weapons and developing space ships to take long trips throughout the universe. You can bet that a military will be there on all those missions. So, who do you think will be in charge? I doubt some civilian that advocates against the military. Captain America, Buck Rodgers, GI Joe or a General that wears an eye patch from a previous war injury will be in charge. As if we need another comic book, our future space exploration will be more about sustaining the defense of this world from the "aliens".
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: As part of the past star wars development, lasers were top bid for contracts, so I was not surprised to see that Lockheed will receive over $600M for their share in military hardware procurement and laser weapon production. I even notice that investor advisers are promoting purchasing stock on all this weapon development, because it promises to be a good year (2015) for weapons. Many years ago I remember driving by the Boeing plant in Seattle and each day seeing the large odd shaped 747 plane near the hangars. It was part of the star wars development in the 70's. Inside that large pregnant-looking 747 was a laser weapon system. So, here we are 40 years later and lasers are smaller than car and pack enormous power firing "free" shots of high burst energy to destroy targets. I say free shots, because the funding required to fire this weapon is almost nonexistent, so as to be called free. It appears our world is getting ready with space laser weapons and developing space ships to take long trips throughout the universe. You can bet that a military will be there on all those missions. So, who do you think will be in charge? I doubt some civilian that advocates against the military. Captain America, Buck Rodgers, GI Joe or a General that wears an eye patch from a previous war injury will be in charge. As if we need another comic book, our future space exploration will be more about sustaining the defense of this world from the "aliens".
    Again this shows your twisted thinking; in other words space exploration should be military run? Thus we are actually "inviting" wars with everything, because of this attitude. So you live in comic books and think we should start wars with alliens. Unbelievable; we 've already started wars already over the whole world ; is that not enough already. The F35 is already a comic book on its own, for which toy you are paying dearly, is that not enough? Want "lasers" now? at what cost?
  • Democrat
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    Twisted thinking or not...................it is reality, I believe, what is happening. Do I believe it should be better with our civilization promoting the space race without military involved........yes. I would like to see the military component out of this, but that will not happen. Keep you pants on, because you are slamming the wrong person. I only bring to light for discussion these things that are occurring, rather you like it or not, I'm not the issue. You would be better served by being active in advising your local politics, which I assume you do not. You only like to sling mud and false labels on people.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Twisted thinking or not...................it is reality, I believe, what is happening. Do I believe it should be better with our civilization promoting the space race without military involved........yes. I would like to see the military component out of this, but that will not happen. Keep you pants on, because you are slamming the wrong person. I only bring to light for discussion these things that are occurring, rather you like it or not, I'm not the issue. You would be better served by being active in advising your local politics, which I assume you do not. You only like to sling mud and false labels on people.
    Sorry, the way you wrote it, it looked like you love "weaponary" and also love to use it on eventual "aliens" ; too bad I don't agree. Not everything outside the US is an enemy even an never met alien does not want to be lasered when we don't know what it wants!!