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voter ID laws

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  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    To date, there have been 9 separate opinion articles related to voter ID attached to this site, and I would encourage you to read them again.

    Lawmakers proposed 62 photo ID bills in 37 states in the 2011 and 2012 sessions, with multiple bills introduced in some states. Ten states have passed strict photo ID laws since 2008, though several may not be in effect in November because of legal challenges. A News21 analysis found that more than half of the 62 bills were sponsored by members or conference attendees of the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC), a Washington, D.C., tax-exempt organization.

    http://http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/21/13392560-flurry-of-voter-id-laws-tied-to-conservative-group-alec

    The link below provides detailed information on a state-by-state basis regarding the requirements of each state:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_laws_in_the_United_States

    There are two reasons why voter ID laws came to mind this morning:

    1) voter turnout for the mid-term auctions that were held in November were at the lowest level since WWII - just 36.4% of the eligible voters - a disproportionate percentage of those voters were either Independents or Democrats, which allowed truly unqualified people to get elected to office - the reason that at least some of the those voters stayed away was that they were discouraged by the more stringent requirements of the new voter ID laws in their state - the link below shows participation by state:

    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/2014-midterm-election-turnout-lowest-in-70-years/

    2) Selma.

    The "birthplace" of the walk in Sella was mentioned in Al Jazeera yesterday morning. Although the former Lorraine Hotel (now the National Civil Rights Museum) has now been fully restored, the little yellow house in Selma is slowly but surely rotting away, and funding efforts to fix it have not been successful..

    http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-tonight/articles/2014/12/30/selma-civil-rightshomevotingact1965.html

    http://apr.org/post/funding-save-historic-alabama-home-falls-short

    Selma, the movie, will be released on January 9. My wife and I plan to see it shortly after its release.

    Here's the trailer:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6t7vVTxaic
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    While voter ID laws have suppressed voter turnout in many states, the bigger obstacle for midterm elections especially is voter turnout of registered and eligible voters that do indeed have the necessary IDs. My biggest frustration is trying to get my fellow Dems to exercise their right to vote, but they will find any excuses to not vote...and then they complain and blame when our elected officials are not to their liking.

    Washington Post, November 10, 2014: Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII

    "Just 36.4 percent of the voting-eligible population cast ballots as of last Tuesday, continuing a steady decline in midterm voter participation that has spanned several decades. The results are dismal, but not surprising -- participation has been dropping since the 1964 election, when voter turnout was at nearly 49 percent.

    "The last time voter turnout was so low during a midterm cycle was in 1942, when only 33.9 percent of eligible voters cast ballots."


    When voter turn-out is low, Republicans win. They are much better about getting out their base than Democrats.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote: While voter ID laws have suppressed voter turnout in many states, the bigger obstacle for midterm elections especially is voter turnout of registered and eligible voters that do indeed have the necessary IDs. My biggest frustration is trying to get my fellow Dems to exercise their right to vote, but they will find any excuses to not vote...and then they complain and blame when our elected officials are not to their liking.

    Washington Post, November 10, 2014: Voter turnout in 2014 was the lowest since WWII

    "Just 36.4 percent of the voting-eligible population cast ballots as of last Tuesday, continuing a steady decline in midterm voter participation that has spanned several decades. The results are dismal, but not surprising -- participation has been dropping since the 1964 election, when voter turnout was at nearly 49 percent.

    "The last time voter turnout was so low during a midterm cycle was in 1942, when only 33.9 percent of eligible voters cast ballots."


    When voter turn-out is low, Republicans win. They are much better about getting out their base than Democrats.
    I think is more or less disillusion with the whole voting process and the huge "money" influence; the voting is no longer democratic but "rigged" No wonder the GOP wins because it has the 1% footing the bill.
  • Independent
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    i find the entire voter id issue intriguing. we heard not a peep about voter fraud, claims of voter fraud or rants by rw talking bobbleheads about voter fraud until the black guy was running and elected president. oh, there was always the b.s. about chicago and the like but that may be more urban legend than anything else. i have voted since 1976 and never heard anything about voter fraud. until 2008.

    changing demographics and racism can't have anything to do with this, can they?
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    lonely bird Wrote: i find the entire voter id issue intriguing. we heard not a peep about voter fraud, claims of voter fraud or rants by rw talking bobbleheads about voter fraud until the black guy was running and elected president. oh, there was always the b.s. about chicago and the like but that may be more urban legend than anything else. i have voted since 1976 and never heard anything about voter fraud. until 2008.

    changing demographics and racism can't have anything to do with this, can they?
    No sir Mr. LB
    Our government would never do that. They gave us such a fine monetary system, you know, because they care about us...Surely they wouldn't tip the scales with our voting system.......Do you think defecit voting will creates more voters??? Bankers are honest, politicians aren't racist, and god loves you......stop with your conspiracy theories.
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    I think a LOT of factors keep people from voting. They hear of long lines, or voting fraud, or that it does not matter if you vote or not, OR they get discouraged by the fact that they don't feel qualified to choose the best candidate, when there are 122 names to choose from, & they never had the chance or ability to go read up on the biographies of so many candidates. ---- Heck, it is very intimidating, even to me.

    Plus, this year my voting place was in a school where there were 3 volleyball games going on at the same time, exactly IN our polling place. We had to duck and cover, as the volley balls came crashing down on our heads. And the NOISE level was a bit distracting in reading the long ballot initiatives, too. And if THAT was not bad enough, you had to find your way thru a maze of hallways, that were not clearly marked, & nobody was available to direct you to the right place.

    THEN the parking lot was overflowing with cars, due to all the parents being there for all the volleyball games, so that there was not much space left over for ANY VOTERS to park. Call me "paranoid" --- but it sincerely felt like SOMEBODY deliberately "planned it" -- to discourage voters & make them leave.

    Also, when we left, there was absolutely no supervision of the 4 people working at the desk, to see WHAT they did with the ballots, if they counted them or not, or if they threw them into the wastebasket after we left. Maybe it should be PHOTOGRAPHED, by professional Media, to keep a watchful eye on them all.
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    WAIT, I just remembered WHY we all are so "intimidated" by political activism. The GOP has been "directly" & "indirectly" threatening us, or our candidates, for several years. Not too long ago, a family & their children were injured - by their car being crashed into by a Van behind them in traffic. When the cops showed up, they asked the Van driver "How did this happen?" And the Van driver said he had done it deliberately, -- because the car had an Obama sticker on its bumper. (Amazing how "patriotic" and "Christian" these right wingers can be, despite their being total imbeciles).

    I think it was early in 2008 to 2010, when Tea Party types were telling their members to throw bricks at Democratic Hdqtrs, to "break their windows" & having them shout at the Democrats in Congress, a bunch of totally insane slogans. (T-P actions match those of psychotic Nazis during WW-2). For the Nazi's had an occasion called "Kristallnacht" in Germany, when hundreds of Nazi kids ran around & "broke all the windows" in Jewish synagogues & businesses & homes.

    WHOA -- I just remembered that the illustrious Bush Family (You may remember them -- with Geo H.W. (Daddy) Bush (POTUS #41) who was involved with George DeMohrenschildt, (both CIA + OIL) --- & DeMohr mysteriously got killed the exact DAY of the big Congressional Investigation of the JFK Assassination. Poor old DeMohr was actually supposed to "testify" at that meeting, so of course, some stray bullet just happened to hit him, (accidentally). But DeMohr was NOT ONLY a close associate of Daddy Bush, but he had serious close ties to (Guess Who) --- Lee Harvey Oswald!! (Lee & wife & DeMohr all spoke Russian). It would have been a glorious day for Jurisprudence, if DeMohr got to testify --- all about Daddy Bush + CIA + OIL business + Lee Harvey Oswald. The Bay of Pigs (invasion of CUBA), & Castro's missiles (from Russia) & the assassination of JFK. -- (We'd have had to re-write ALL the History books)..Oh, did I forget to tell you that on DeMohr's dead body, in his pocket, was found a business card, from George (Poppy) Bush --- Yes, the same POTUS #41, we all love....

    Now even George H.W. Bush once had a FATHER. And his name was Prescott Bush. Who was heavily involved in high govt finance & stock market stuff. It is all too complicated for me, but somehow Prescott (Grandpa) Bush, got involved in financing the NAZI's in Germany during World War 2. YES, he was very busy investing in I.G. Farben, a big corporation that built weapons & concentration camps, & even Zyklon gas used to exterminate the Jews. I guess it was profitable because Grandpa Bush refused to quit doing that, until Uncle Sam slapped him with the TRADING WITH THE ENEMY ACT of 1942.

    WORTHY OF NOTE: (Grandpa) Prescott Bush, and George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush ---- ALL graduated from YALE, & were members of the SKULL & BONES SOCIETY. (a secret society, with only a few new members a year), & their insignia is the deaths head skull (as in the Nazi Party). There.are 3 books written about it, (The Skulls -- The Skulls II -- & The Skulls III ) -- PLUS there are 3 MOVIES with those same names & topics).

    I NEVER FORGET that the GOP is directly involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy & his brother, Robt F. Kennedy (1963, & 1968). Of course, BOTH of them were Democrats, (good & honorable men) -- both were running for President, --- & BOTH were killed under mysterious circumstances. There have been a series of "cover-ups" in those murders, -- and they trace right back to the GOP. Please NOTE, that the John Birch Society (JBS) was getting to a peak of its activity in those years. (The JBS began in 1958, & is still active in Republican politics, plus it is now morphed into a new entity -- known as the TEA PARTY). Also NOTE: The John Birch Society does NOT believe in Democracy. (Hence, they want to destroy it).

    The GOP (Republican Party) is NOW controlled by the JBS - Birch Society, and the TEA PARTY, and the neo-Nazi Party, and some KKK & Fascist groups. It is basically an alliance of un-American groups, who have been dedicated to the total annihilation of America & its democracy. It has been undercover, gradually getting stronger & stronger, until now it is beginning to SHOW itself, unafraid, because it already has so much POWER they could take us over TOMORROW.

    Oh, by the way, what day exactly does Congress convene? Our Federal Govt has almost completely been taken over by the T-P? You need a whole lot of TP to cover up a whole lotta SH-T, --- (as they say). Now watch out for a whole new Dynasty of Bush Family members to come out from under the woodwork..Remember good old "Jeb" who helped "rig" the election of 2000? (Well, who could resist?) All he had to do was say he (& his whole staff) couldn't possibly get an accurate ballot count, by using the difficult process of addition. (Just like he'd told them in third grade). So Georgie "W" Bush became POTUS # 43. -- Next in line would be "Jebbie" himself, in the NEAR future. Somehow they expect that Total Amnesia will occur, and the voters will pretend they "never knew" he had rigged the 2000 election for "W". (A Federal Crime, if not Treason). But the Bush family lives in some kind of a parallel universe, where the rules do not apply to them. (The old saying: "Money talks, and Bullshit Walks").

    So I guess we will get to see Jeb running for POTUS, followed by brothers Neil and Marvin Bush. (Maybe even their great grand-children). Yep, in 1776, the Founders fought a whole Revolution, so we would not have to put up with "hereditary succession of Kings". (by family lineage). NOW we are heading right back to the way things were 238 yrs ago. And in a strange twist of Fate, oddly enough, we were fighting against the English ruler, KING GEORGE way back then, too. (WOW, what an amazing coincidence) !! --- Skull caps, anyone?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Portland, OR
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    Schmidt Wrote: While voter ID laws have suppressed voter turnout in many states, the bigger obstacle for midterm elections especially is voter turnout of registered and eligible voters that do indeed have the necessary IDs. My biggest frustration is trying to get my fellow Dems to exercise their right to vote, but they will find any excuses to not vote...and then they complain and blame when our elected officials are not to their liking.
    You want a statistic that will make your head explode with frustration? "46 Democratic caucus members in the 114th Congress received a total of 67.8 million votes in winning their seats, while the 54 Republican caucus members received 47.1 million votes."

    Think about that for a second. Democrats received over twenty million more votes than Republicans in this election, but saw their Senate majority evaporate before their very eyes.

    Maybe it's time to rethink the way our Senate operates. Twenty million more people voted for Democrats, but now we will be having to put up with far right Republicans for the next two years. We have to figure out a way to have a legitimately representative government and not a government that gives states who have a handful of people in it the ability to force their will upon the vast majority of Americans who want nothing to do with it.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    I was at the understanding that those who control the house control "re-districting". Is that correct?
    Also, I believe Al Gore actually got 2 miilion more votes than Bush (poular vote) Is that also correct?

    And now I believe there is a state that wants to divide delegates by pecentage. If so, along with new voter regulation.....votes really wont matter. Districts and delegate will....is this also correct?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Sorry, in this culture where money rules there will always be the influence peddling and meddling in the voting system; I always thought the "maffia" was gone, but operates now much more sneaky and slowly like a cancer throughout the voting system.
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    The process of "rigging" an election by switching the voting districts around (by population numbers), so as to cause many more districts to be governed by Republicans ---- is called "gerrymandering". But IS IT LEGAL? They seem to get by doing this a whole lot. I do not claim to fully understand this process, but I know it works, far too often. And it completely creates opposite results than a true "democracy" should create. It is basically a crooked corrupt usurpation of the political process. And that is why Democrats could get 2 million more votes, but yet LOSE.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    If you haven't seen "Selma" yet, you'd better hurry, because it's likely to disappear altogether fairly soon, and it currently is only being played on a very limited basis at most theaters.

    It's very much related to the topic of voter ID laws, and the link below will provide more background information:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2015/02/selma.html

    Be sure to watch MLK's acceptance speech in Oslo, Norway!
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    Hello Arizona: Good information, as always. Thanks. It seems to me, that gerrymandering is merely a device used to defeat the system of democracy, and to attempt to "control" the votes of the people. by rigging the districts. And it really does appear to be "crooked." If so, it must be illegal, and it does give us an incorrect result. So WHY does it not have penalty of incarceration? Is there no legal remedy? It seems odd to just let them do it.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Flagstaff, AZ
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    eternal flame:

    Gerrymandering has been around a long tme, since 1812 to be exact, so it's not likely to go away any time soon. The lengthy article below goes into more detail.

    The best protection against it is to have the districts determined by an independent panel, which is currently the law in Arizona (since the year 2000).. Naturally, the Republics in the legislature recently went to court to bring the control of redistricting back to the legislature.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerrymandering

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redistricting_in_Arizona

    IN 2011, Governor Brewer attempted to meddle in the process by FIRING the woman who was the independent chairperson of the committee:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2011/11/impeach-cox-sacker.html