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What Happened to AirAsia Flight 8501?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    An AirAsia flight carrying 162 people has gone missing while en route to Singapore, marking the second plane to seemingly disappear out of thin air in less than one year. The plane lost contact shortly after requesting a course change due to poor weather conditions. A massive search for the airplane is underway.

    It's already odd that this is the second passenger plane to disappear in less than one year, but the fact that they both disappeared over southeast Asia is outright crazy. While the circumstances leading up to the missing planes are different, it is impossible to not draw comparisons between the missing Malaysian Airlines flight that went missing earlier this year.

    What do you think happened to this AirAsia flight? Do you think it was taken down due to the poor weather conditions or is something more sinister afoot here?
  • Center Left
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    Air Asia flight QZ8501 is missing. It was experiencing bad weather / storms. The flight was traveling at too low of a speed to sustain flight. The pilot had asked to change altitude and go higher and to alter their course. Whether this was due to the weather is not yet known. I just caught part of this story on CNN. I believe they said it had departed from Surabaya, Indonesia.
    I didn't see this thread so I started a new one. I clicked to delete mine upon seeing this. Above is copied and pasted.
    I believe I read on the scroll at the bottom of the screen that the pilot was from Pakistan. I wonder if that will be a factor to be speculated upon.
    At this point many are suggesting that it must have gone down. Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Australia are actively searching. They say the search area is huge. The size of California.
  • Independent
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: Air Asia flight QZ8501 is missing. It was experiencing bad weather / storms. The flight was traveling at too low of a speed to sustain flight. The pilot had asked to change altitude and go higher and to alter their course. Whether this was due to the weather is not yet known. I just caught part of this story on CNN. I believe they said it had departed from Surabaya, Indonesia.
    I didn't see this thread so I started a new one. I clicked to delete mine upon seeing this. Above is copied and pasted.
    I believe I read on the scroll at the bottom of the screen that the pilot was from Pakistan. I wonder if that will be a factor to be speculated upon.
    At this point many are suggesting that it must have gone down. Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and Australia are actively searching. They say the search area is huge. The size of California.
    The point is quite simple; radar coverage in that area is not like here; it is not covering the whole area; so the pilot navigates on its own GPS; so due to "gaps" in the ground radar, then they "lost" it in a no radar coveraged area. Actually the same issue as with Malaysian Airlines 777
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:The point is quite simple; radar coverage in that area is not like here; it is not covering the whole area; so the pilot navigates on its own GPS; so due to "gaps" in the ground radar, then they "lost" it in a no radar coveraged area. Actually the same issue as with Malaysian Airlines 777
    My only issue with this is that the American military has a heavy presence in the Pacific. How can the worlds most powerful Navy not be able to track an airplane that stretches 250 feet long? It just doesn't make sense to me that no one seems to know where this plane went. Our drones have the ability to scan an individuals iris from a mile high in the sky, but our Navy can't track airplanes that are almost as long as a football field?

    Don't get me wrong--I am not a conspiracy theorist. I don't think there is some massive cover-up here. I just genuinely don't understand how anything of this size can just simply disappear off the face of the earth.
  • Center Left
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    Yes, many are wondering this. You can lose a smart phone and they can track it with triangulation from near by towers. However something this huge is hard if not impossible to find. Ultimately I think they should use several satellites to fill the gaps in global coverage. We shouldn't lose full sized planes. I'm hoping they have some luck in finding this.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    I'm inclined to think of a malfunction in the air speed indicator (as Tony suggests) caused perhaps by ice on the external instrumentation. And the way they have described the updrafts and downdrafts and possible hail with the thunderstorm, maybe pilot error ultimately was a factor. However, if the plane went straight down, wouldn't there be a debris field upon crashing in the ocean? We speculated on this with the Malaysian airline disappearance as well.
  • Center Left
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    Yes Schmidt....... your ideas/theories are very possible. Currently on CNN they're speaking of smoke coming from a nearby island...... It could be a crashed plane....... it could be somebody burning - whatever. I would think there would be a debris field if it crashed into the water. Of course none was found last time. The possible area of the previous one was massive though. At this point there's more that we don't know as compared to what is known.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote:The point is quite simple; radar coverage in that area is not like here; it is not covering the whole area; so the pilot navigates on its own GPS; so due to "gaps" in the ground radar, then they "lost" it in a no radar coveraged area. Actually the same issue as with Malaysian Airlines 777
    My only issue with this is that the American military has a heavy presence in the Pacific. How can the worlds most powerful Navy not be able to track an airplane that stretches 250 feet long? It just doesn't make sense to me that no one seems to know where this plane went. Our drones have the ability to scan an individuals iris from a mile high in the sky, but our Navy can't track airplanes that are almost as long as a football field?

    Don't get me wrong--I am not a conspiracy theorist. I don't think there is some massive cover-up here. I just genuinely don't understand how anything of this size can just simply disappear off the face of the earth.
    Tony I guess you've never been in Indonesia; it is the largest group of islands there is; certainly a few of our ships or drones are not located there but more or less in area's of Japan, China sea, etc. Indonesia is not a "threat" to us so not much navy activity. But I saw they found floating wreckage and bodies by now.
    The other thing is it shows that related to Flt 17, if a plane crashes in "water" that you get floating debris or bodies; so my guess is that since they did not even did find a "cigarette butt" floating in the Australia area; that that plane never hit water in the first place;because there is always debris especially with a large plane like a 777!!!
  • Liberal
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    Once again, the answer is obvious - Aliens or maybe God is responsible!
  • Independent
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    pgr Wrote: Once again, the answer is obvious - Aliens or maybe God is responsible!
    Once again you got it right; except also Allah is likely involved.
  • Liberal
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    pgr Wrote: Once again, the answer is obvious - Aliens or maybe God is responsible!
    Cant be Aliens....Mexico is quite a distance from Indonesia.
  • Very Conservative Republican
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    found
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes the plane has been found with a sizable debris field and bodies floating. The crash site is described as being very close to the point of last radar contact (6 miles) suggesting the plane essentially went straight down. A stall with too slow a speed in banking while turning? Pilot error? I'll defer.

    I wonder why it took so long to find the crash site when it was so close to point of last contact.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Okay there are conflicting reports on the location of the crash site. One report said 6 miles from last known location. Another 10 miles. Water depth is 30 to 40 meters, which should facilitate recovery of black box.
  • Independent
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    Schmidt Wrote: Okay there are conflicting reports on the location of the crash site. One report said 6 miles from last known location. Another 10 miles. Water depth is 30 to 40 meters, which should facilitate recovery of black box.
    Schmidt, again I like to point out that not one piece of Flt 17 ever has been found; this crash should open some eyes, that likely that plane never crashed where they have been searching.