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  • Independent
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    Suicide bomber in the Vatican . . . . . . . . . pop goes the Pope.

    Happy new year all.
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    EEK --- That would be horrible. The first really GOOD Pope, a man who follows true principles, has none of the "baggage" of many other popes, and he is doing a real outreach for Peace, and to promote better relations among all religions. A humble man who gave up the finery & gaudiness of some pope's attire.
    Who truly speaks like a real Man of GOD, & has a tender heart for a little boy whose puppy died. This Pope, Francis, is truly exceptional, & even makes ME feel gratitude & reverent toward the Catholic hierarchy. I truly hope Francis will be around a very long time, & his principles will be everlasting among all Catholics.
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    eternal flame Wrote: EEK --- That would be horrible. The first really GOOD Pope, a man who follows true principles, has none of the "baggage" of many other popes, and he is doing a real outreach for Peace, and to promote better relations among all religions. A humble man who gave up the finery & gaudiness of some pope's attire.
    Who truly speaks like a real Man of GOD, & has a tender heart for a little boy whose puppy died. This Pope, Francis, is truly exceptional, & even makes ME feel gratitude & reverent toward the Catholic hierarchy. I truly hope Francis will be around a very long time, & his principles will be everlasting among all Catholics.
    Eternal, no Good Pope's do not exist; spreading lies and be head of a church which murdered thousands of people is pure hypocritical. May be he is nicer than his predecessors but is still selling snake oil in fancy robes and hats.
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    Dutch, I think EF was trying to say that of all the Popes, this one is better than the previous ones. I have to agree with her on that. Perhaps he is smart enough to not even be a believer? Now, that would be a real good Pope!
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    pgr Wrote: Dutch, I think EF was trying to say that of all the Popes, this one is better than the previous ones. I have to agree with her on that. Perhaps he is smart enough to not even be a believer? Now, that would be a real good Pope!
    Sorry PGR, he was just next up in the line -up......The Vatican Child Fondlers are playing the Blasphamous beezlebubs on ESPN this weekend. I hear the new POOP (pope) has a wicked curve ball
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    pgr Wrote: Dutch, I think EF was trying to say that of all the Popes, this one is better than the previous ones. I have to agree with her on that. Perhaps he is smart enough to not even be a believer? Now, that would be a real good Pope!
    Sorry PGR I said that too; except the hypocritical part being the head of a church which murdered thousands of people ! He has now declared that "dogs" can go to heaven as well as J.C and AMC they can take their dog along. I wonder if they have a pet food store up there?
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:Eternal, no Good Pope's do not exist; spreading lies and be head of a church which murdered thousands of people is pure hypocritical. May be he is nicer than his predecessors but is still selling snake oil in fancy robes and hats.
    I'm a fan of Pope Frank. I don't think it's my business to judge why someone follows a particular religion and he is a far more compassionate and politically liberal pope than countless of his predecessors. That, to me, is a very welcome development.

    This pope is forcing his followers to move into the 21st Century. He's finally talking about taking care of the poor, getting the church out of hot button social issues, and taking on global climate change. His followers won't change over night, but his recent actions are a very welcome development in my eyes.

    Nonbelievers can not expect believers to just change their ways. I will not proselytize the virtues of atheism to a believer, just as I expect a believer to not proselytize to me. Worship whatever fanciful creature in the sky you want. It's not my business to judge. The only time I get frustrated is when others force it down my throat in an attempt to prove that they are right and I am wrong. They aren't going to change my mind, just as I will never change theirs.
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    Dutch,
    For a non-believer............. I think that you type more words on the topic of religion than most believers. Sometimes you need to just ignore what you consider crazy non-sense.
    I don't know a lot about this pope but I did see him washing some poor guys feet. They say he wants to change how the Vatican handles money. This may cost him his life. They say the mafia has laundered drug money with the Vatican for years. If he stops this (he may have already) it will piss off some people who have a huge amount of money that needs laundered. We'll have to watch to see how this progresses.
    I like that he's focusing on the poor.That's a good start. He helped mediate the Cuba negotiations. That had to annoy many Catholic repubs. Too funny.
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: Dutch,
    For a non-believer............. I think that you type more words on the topic of religion than most believers. Sometimes you need to just ignore what you consider crazy non-sense.
    I don't know a lot about this pope but I did see him washing some poor guys feet. They say he wants to change how the Vatican handles money. This may cost him his life. They say the mafia has laundered drug money with the Vatican for years. If he stops this (he may have already) it will piss off some people who have a huge amount of money that needs laundered. We'll have to watch to see how this progresses.
    I like that he's focusing on the poor.That's a good start. He helped mediate the Cuba negotiations. That had to annoy many Catholic repubs. Too funny.
    It's great that Dutch has this knowledge because he makes the guy knocking at your door on sunday look like an idiot. You must know your enemy better than he knows himself.
    This pope(POOP) was brought in for damage control....and nothing more. Instead of wiping a guys feet, he should empty all the gold coffers and give it to the victims of SODOMY committed by his brothers.....He knew. Why wasn't he speaking out then???

    This is the only move the Catholic church can make.....They raped little boys for a couple thousand years......RAPED CHILDREN. And what,,,, speeches and foot rubs are supposed to make it okay?
    He should just walk out on the Vatican balcony and blow his brains out along with every other Cardinal.....and then may be that would be an act of penance. A good start......anything other than that is called bullshit..... He should be in a prison getting sodomized by other men....and only then would he feel it. Then he would understand what they did (allowed). His big red hat shouldn't shield him from accountability.......ALL OF THEM KNEW. ALL OF THEM REMAINED SILENT...and ALL OF THEM SHOULD PAY.

    A secret society of pedophiles....that's the church. Imagine what we don't know....Imagine all those victims we've never heard of.....2000 years worth.
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    LA, what are you trying to tell us? Don't be bashful - get it all out!

    Have you had some "personal" experiences with these men of the cloth as a young altar boy, growing up in the bario? Please tell us more this is getting better than Dr Phil!
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    Tony, thanks. The reason I'm like that, is because I travelled the whole world and because of my work in aviation worked in a lot of places; thus not just visiting. This meant intermingle in their way of life. This creates a certain vision of the world. Sorry I won't tell what I've seen all there about how "religion" is an awful curse for a lot of people. Like I said many times it is used solely to get power over the people, often in a horrible way. Why have wars, hunger, deceases, etc. and say with a straight face : Too bad that is the "will" of and unseen,never met Allah or God. Very sick. In Somalia I stumbled over a sack with a dead kid inside; died of hunger; in Bangla Desh they chop a baby's arms off and put it on the side of the road with a cup to put money in etc etc. I certainly do not believe that is the "will" of anything in the universe. What I hate the most the hypocracy in religion as well the lies.

    One good thing this Pope has done, that "dog's" can now go to "heaven"; I wonder if he asked the "whatever" up there for approval in writing.
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    pgr Wrote: LA, what are you trying to tell us? Don't be bashful - get it all out!

    Have you had some "personal" experiences with these men of the cloth as a young altar boy, growing up in the bario? Please tell us more this is getting better than Dr Phil!
    Actually, had I not gone to prison for trafifcking I may have ended up there for strangling my first wife. You see, she kind of went off the deep end with all this religious bullshit. I couldn't stand coming home anymore....the feds saved me from my own home. One would think that she would have changed after damn near 15 years.....Nope.. Still the same.

    Dr. phil would earn his money with me.....It's funny, all my kids are atheist coming from a home with Mother Theresa at the helm. I truly believe that this is the reason me and my kids are so close now....Mom is a Whacko........
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote:
    pgr Wrote: LA, what are you trying to tell us? Don't be bashful - get it all out!

    Have you had some "personal" experiences with these men of the cloth as a young altar boy, growing up in the bario? Please tell us more this is getting better than Dr Phil!
    Actually, had I not gone to prison for trafifcking I may have ended up there for strangling my first wife. You see, she kind of went off the deep end with all this religious bullshit. I couldn't stand coming home anymore....the feds saved me from my own home. One would think that she would have changed after damn near 15 years.....Nope.. Still the same.

    Dr. phil would earn his money with me.....It's funny, all my kids are atheist coming from a home with Mother Theresa at the helm. I truly believe that this is the reason me and my kids are so close now....Mom is a Whacko........
    L.A. yes I can follow that; can you imagine that you would live in one apartment with both J.C. and AMC? Dr Phil would have at least a new patient!!!
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Nonbelievers can not expect believers to just change their ways. I will not proselytize the virtues of atheism to a believer, just as I expect a believer to not proselytize to me. Worship whatever fanciful creature in the sky you want. It's not my business to judge. The only time I get frustrated is when others force it down my throat in an attempt to prove that they are right and I am wrong. They aren't going to change my mind, just as I will never change theirs. ncy robes and hats.
    If it is not your business to judge, then who's business is it? Or at what point does it become your business to judge? Who should be appointed to relieve you of that responsibility?

    And haven't you made a judgement about religion on the basis of its absurdity already?

    If religion starts interfering with free speech or incites hatred and violence, do you not have some kind of obligation as an informed citizen to prevent that from happening and uphold liberal values? Or is it all relative and are liberal values not worth defending?

    I know what you mean when you say that some people's minds cannot be changed, but is the point really to try and de-convert them? Shouldn't we just be honest and critical about peoples religious beliefs in the present, and try and raise a new generation of children who aren't indoctrinated into mutually exclusive ideologies for the future?

    Or is your attitude more like "F*ck the children, it's pointless."?
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    Ciao Wrote:If it is not your business to judge, then who's business is it? Or at what point does it become your business to judge? Who should be appointed to relieve you of that responsibility?
    I live by the philosophy of 'just don't be a dick.' If one needs to bow down to a fanciful creature in the sky to not be a dick, then have at it. If someone is an atheist and is still a dick then I also have a problem. I know many kindhearted and socially liberal religious people. They don't shove their religion down my throat and I don't shove my atheism down theirs. They care about the poor, give their time and money to just causes, and are loving people. I have had countless delightful discussions with these individuals and I would never judge them for believing in something I do not believe in, just as they don't judge me for not believing in anything other than being a good person.
    Ciao Wrote: And haven't you made a judgement about religion on the basis of its absurdity already?
    It was a long and windy road to my atheism. I was born and raised into Christianity and it took me many years to go down a different path. My entire family is still very religious and I don't judge them for that. It is not my business to tell other people how to live their lives.
    Ciao Wrote:If religion starts interfering with free speech or incites hatred and violence, do you not have some kind of obligation as an informed citizen to prevent that from happening and uphold liberal values? Or is it all relative and are liberal values not worth defending?
    I have stood up for those values for many years and will continue to do so until the day I die. I've been very consistent in that regard. I invite you to read back on some of the thousands of discussions I've had on this website. I will always stand up to religious zealots on this site and elsewhere who want to use the functions of our government to force religion down our throats. That is not inconsistent with me still respecting their right to believe in whatever fanciful creature they wish to. I just draw the line when they use the functions of our government to force it down everyone else's throats.
    Ciao Wrote:I know what you mean when you say that some people's minds cannot be changed, but is the point really to try and de-convert them? Shouldn't we just be honest and critical about peoples religious beliefs in the present, and try and raise a new generation of children who aren't indoctrinated into mutually exclusive ideologies for the future?

    Or is your attitude more like "F*ck the children, it's pointless."?
    I think that is happening right now. Church attendance is falling of a cliff in this country and throughout the Western world. Fewer and fewer people identify themselves as religious and that avalanche will be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to stop. 'None of the above' is the number two 'religion' in America and the number of Americans who classify themselves as such will only continue to rise moving into the future. Once someone decides they don't believe anymore, they typically don't go back.

    Sure, I would love for America to be a legitimately secular state where science is king, but we just aren't there yet. All politics is local, so it must begin where you live. An atheist living in the Bible Belt may have a difficult time converting their deeply religious neighbor, but an atheist living here in the Pacific Northwest is welcomed with open arms. It takes time to change the conscious of a society, especially if that society has been brainwashed for thousands of years. So out here, we aren't saying 'Fuck the children.' We are saying 'let's teach children how to be proper human beings who respect everyone.' As I said--I love everyone, just as long as they aren't a dick.