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Too many threads though all integral to in the image of the terror-tapestry.

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    So many threads though all integral and important -- but here I weave a different perspective -- a collage-perspective. Thus "new thread" of ???????s mostly.

    240 people on a plane. One is your loved one. You have a prisoner. If you slowly, with a saw, disarm him he may tell you how to disarm the bomb on the plane.
    One guy's agony to save a 240 . . . . . . . .??? JUSTIFiCATION?????????
    Instant (POOF?BLAM) death "unfelt" for 240 compared to ongoing excruciating suffering of the guy you got . . . . . ????
    How do you know what he knows (tells you) will be your "extraordinary" measures extraction of "intelligence" to save lives. . . .???? Or bullshit????????

    Men (and boys) captured in their own country's hills and wilds are assiumed to have stretegic info? Plans? Plots? . . . . ????? What the hell would Alqaeda or ISIS have extracted as "security-level" by torture of captured grunts or PFCs (and even above-rank) of our guys??????

    MeCain has credentials (and the physical "scars") to be a spokesman re. the efficacy of torture: which he says is inefficacy!!!
    What's-his-Al'zawahiri-name or other, sick of the same old water-board cocktail was providing intelligence about recruit of black Muslims in Montana !!
    Even if the discomfort of the chauffeur (I think) resulted in his divulging the domain of Osama so that we could "git him" . . . what was accomplished????
    For our national security????? For our reputation????? For the world???? For the Jews???? For the Muslims of the wrong "side of the Allah-aisle" ???????

    By releasing this information, what has been accomplished? "Post-facto preemption"? Or prosecution (how quite likely!!!) ?????
    By releasing this information, what further damage has been done to the reputation of this country by revealing its preached and purported moral and humanistic superiority to be a self-sanctification hypocrisy . . . . considering some of its "human-nature-constituents" -- what they've done by hand (and hose) and even by hidden policy . . . . . . and history . . . . . ????

    To the points. "It wasn't torture". Then WHAT, SPECIFICALLY WAS AND IS TORTURE -- OR NOT? SPECIFY, CIA!! DOCUMENT THE DELINEATION DEFINITION ON WHICH THE PROCEDURES WERE PREDICATED.
    Let's get to it. "It was warrented, considering the HWMT (human weapons of mass terrorism) that the detainees are". WHAT CIA INTEL ESTABLISHED THAT ASSESSMENT OF THE INDIVIDUALS? WHAT ASSUMED INTEL OF THE INDIVIDUALS (detainees) BASED THE DETERMINATION OF THEIR DANGER BY THE CIA? Bunch of really primitives got high-level intel?????? C'mon.
    Let's have it. "The procedures and protocol saved property and lives." PROVIDE SPECIFICS!!! WHAT INTEL FROM WHAT SHIVERING GUY SAVED WHAT???? WHAT BUBBLING BLURTING KEPT WHAT FROM BEING BLOWN UP????? WHAT PSYCHOSIS-LEVEL SLEEP DEPRIVATION-DIVULGENCE PREVENTED THE DESTRUCTION OF WHAT???????? IN RESPONSE TO THE "RECTAL HYDRATION", WHAT "SHOOT-THE-SHIT TOP-SECRET STRATEGIC PLANNING OF TERROR ATTACKS WERE EXCHANGED BETWEEN THE INFLATEE AND THE INTERROGATOR???????????

    THE ESSENCE OF THE ISSUE TOOK PLACE. PAST TENSE. SO FULL DISCLOSURE WOULD NOT BE THREATENING TO SECURITY NOW.
    THE ESSENCE OF THE ISSUE IS NOT THE SPECTRUM (OF ANTIPODES AND ANTITHESES AND ANTAGONISMS) OF OUR SUBJECTIVE VIEWS, FEELINGS, OR EVEN GUILTS OR GLORIFICATIONS OF GOD ON OUR SIDE BASED ON THE OLD TESTAMENT PARADIGM OF PROCEDURE (CIA far more "humanitarian" than slaughtering every man, child, beast, and woman who has lain with man but keep the girl children for yourselves." Num: 31.

    DID IT WORK. DID IMPOSING SUFFERING ON LIVES SAVE LIVES.
    FACTS. DOCUMENTATION (I would assume the CIA kept comprehensive records even if they didn't provide them to others, even each other).
    Bring them out. Publish. Reasons not to???? Bring up out.
    We need Intel!!! from the Intel agency, the CIA. Specifics. Case by case. (such as who re. the shoe? source-share re. the underwear, etc.).
    Does the FBI have to start leasing space in No. Korea to set up a detention facility to obtain this information through further variations and permutations of "extraordinary non-torture" of uncooperative CIA operatives --(for which a study of the Internet-extreme would be handbook for ways and means)???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????