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  • that guy in Arizona
    12-09-2014 09:49:22 PM
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    The History Channel announced this morning that the John Birch Society was formed on this day in 1958.

    http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/john-birch-society-founded

    The man most responsible for the organization was Robert H.W. Welch, Jr., but one of the other founders was a man named Fred Koch, whose sons (David and Charles) now run Koch Industries. As the History Channel mentions, the group is as goofy as ever, since its members "seek to expose a semi-secret international cabal whose members sit in the highest places of influence and power worldwide". A review of the group's website, especially the "issues" page, will confirm how extreme the group still is.

    http://www.jbs.org/

    Although there have not been previous threads for the JBS, the KKK, or the Constitution Party, their views are similar enough that they might as well be one organization.

    A thread first posted by Schmidt on October 25, 2010, provides detailed information about the links between the Tea Party and the John Birch Society, and the link below also extends those connections to the KKK:

    http://tohell-andback.blogspot.com/2014/01/sycamore-row.html

    The websites of the Tea Party (read "about us") , the KKK, and the Constitution Party are worth viewing:

    http://www.teaparty.org/
    http://www.kkk.com/
    http://www.constitutionparty.com/

    The common thread to all of them is (1) unrestricted access to guns (2) distrust of the Federal government (3) strong belief in the constitution (at least the parts that they agree with) and (4) strong religious convictions .

    A willing partner in all this craziness is the NRA ("owning a gun is a God given right") , and the ideas of all of them are conveyed, both subtly and not so subtlely, by the talking heads on the FOX network.

    http://aattp.org/ammosexual-chuck-norris-teams-up-with-nra-and-jesus-to-protect-his-god-given-right-to-bear-arms/

    I'm a believer in the fact that our country will eventually return to some sense of normalcy, but it will take at least a couple of years to get there. In the interim, the competing factors of the Republican Party will help the party to self destruct, and the election of a few key strong Democrats in 2016 will help get most of us on the right track again.
  • pr
    12-10-2014 04:43:47 AM
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    I'm afraid things haven't even started to get better yet and at age 71, I don't expect them ever to in my lifetime.

    The real race war hasn't even begun yet!
  • Dutch
    12-10-2014 08:15:51 AM
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    pgr Wrote: I'm afraid things haven't even started to get better yet and at age 71, I don't expect them ever to in my lifetime.

    The real race war hasn't even begun yet!
    Amen
  • Schmidt
    12-10-2014 08:49:41 AM
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    Arizona -- Thanks for sharing this. Eternal Flame has covered the JBS in this website, but your links to the Constitution Party, the KKK, the Tea Party and the JBS offer insights into the commonality of their respective agendas. The KKK, of course, emphasizes "whiteness" and Christianity, but the other parties also are heavy into right wing Christianity. The Constitution Party claims to be the "philosophical home of the TEA Party, where candidates who are committed to the same constitutional principles as most TEA Party groups can run for office without opposition from within their own party."

    The Tea Party website is heavy into anti-Obama propaganda. Highly racist overtones throughout their selection of articles, not only against African Americans but also Hispanics. They're like the hatchet arm of the JBS...anything goes tabloid type of journalism. Their appeal is to the younger blue collar Obama haters. The John Birch Society website, on the other hand, pretends to be more intellectual and respectable. Their message appeals more to the white collar "old white men". Take a look at the photos of the Leadership. Old white men and one token blond woman.
  • Schmidt
    12-10-2014 09:06:52 AM
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    I should clarify that when I use the term "old white men", I am focusing on the stereotype of the very conservative Christian right. There are certainly many old white men including me that do not subscribe to their agenda.
  • AmcmurryFreedom
    12-10-2014 11:11:19 AM
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    While searching on details of Fascism and Anarchy, I found many articles defining "benevolent fascism" as American Fascism. All the current protesting gong on and fighting against perceived Police opposition, we only have to watch other countries in comparing what they are doing to what our public is pushing American into doing. I see today where a Palestinian Official may have dies as a result of tear gas and being struck in the chest during a demonstration in Israel. So, our Police may not be as bad as what some are claiming. It's part of perspective in what goes around comes around.

    Fascism and Anarchy are defined differently, but they can work hand-in-hand to achieve social and political goals. A recap of history and evolution in social struggles was found at:

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm

    This was a very good historical review of America and Europe, wars and conflicts, racism and crime, and big business and Government. Lot's of pictures and narrative. It's long, but does have a "wow" factor.
  • eternal flame
    12-10-2014 04:10:09 PM
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    WOW!! Thanks for all the references you have given - to increase knowledge on this subject, which shows that (clearly for 56 years), there has been a huge conspiracy against the U.S. govt, to make this nation into a Fascist society. All of the threads you have given us, are good sources to use. And on YouTube there are actual film footages showing Robt Welch (founder of JBS in 1958), giving some original speeches on the topic). It is amazing how long they have been actively working, to take over the Republican Party, & NOW the whole U.S. govt. PART of the most recent transition, includes that the John Birch Society has been gradually morphing into the TEA PARTY. Experts on this subject will concede, that the TEA Party IS the SAME as the John Birch Society (of 1958). Both of them use an elaborate "propaganda" network, -- financed by billionaires, to reach the minds of ordinary Americans, & entice them to join the GOP.

    However, folks, there is genuine HOPE. We have a wonderful woman "on our side" --- whose father was one of the original leaders in the Birch Society, and they had 6 Birch meetings in their house per week. As a child of 13, she was witness to history, as Birch founder, Robt Welch visited their house, as well as Revilo Oliver, another early leader, on the National Council, & an extremist in neo-Nazi thought. She writes of all the things happening in 1958, as she was in a parochial school, & her troubles with the nuns -- some of that was very sad & partly hilarious, as her parents made her go "correct" the text books being taught in those schools. Also, fascinating, was that their Catholic priest was a member of the Birch Society. The JBS wanted to use every possible method to "spread the word" possible, & using religious outlets was one of their prime targets. (Birchers also used the Billy James Hargis Crusade (on radio) and other gospel music groups across the country). At age 13, Claire was required to attend JBS meetings 6 nights a week, & write several members of Congress about the latest new project being "pushed" by the Society, like getting rid of "fluoride" in the water. Claire lived in Chicago, where her father was a powerful leader of JBS, & a very respected member in the community, & business owner. All Birchers were in the GOP, & were being indoctrinated 24/7 about how evil everybody else was. It was especially emphasized how evil John Kennedy was, -- & any "liberal" person was viewed with suspicion. (Nobody had ever told them that the U.S. Founding Fathers viewed themselves as "liberals" -- it means open-minded, free-thinkers, -- thinking always of others, (like Jesus Christ taught us 2,000 yrs ago).

    Claire's book opens the mysteries of the JBS (John Birch Society) -- from its beginning (in 1958) to its new "awakening" NOW - in the TEA PARTY - of 2009.

    BOOK: "Wrapped in the Flag" by Claire Conner, (2013), Beacon Press. --- It is a real eye-opener, With a great sense of humor, she tells her own personal evolution from early teens into her married years with grown children, -- I believe it is also "historically" important.
  • that guy in Arizona
    12-10-2014 09:28:59 PM
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    eternal flame:


    Thanks for the references. I'll have to add Claire's book to my "to do" list.

    Here's a link to her website:

    http://claireconner.com/
  • Schmidt
    12-11-2014 12:11:17 AM
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: While searching on details of Fascism and Anarchy, I found many articles defining "benevolent fascism" as American Fascism. All the current protesting gong on and fighting against perceived Police opposition, we only have to watch other countries in comparing what they are doing to what our public is pushing American into doing. I see today where a Palestinian Official may have dies as a result of tear gas and being struck in the chest during a demonstration in Israel. So, our Police may not be as bad as what some are claiming. It's part of perspective in what goes around comes around.

    Fascism and Anarchy are defined differently, but they can work hand-in-hand to achieve social and political goals. A recap of history and evolution in social struggles was found at:

    http://www.rationalrevolution.net/articles/rise_of_american_fascism.htm

    This was a very good historical review of America and Europe, wars and conflicts, racism and crime, and big business and Government. Lot's of pictures and narrative. It's long, but does have a "wow" factor.
    AMC -- Thanks for sharing the link on American Fascism. There is a lot to digest...some of the narrative is absolutely new news to me, probably because so much is historical and I didn't enjoy or appreciate history as a school boy. And some parts seems to provide an alternative perspective from what we learned in school books. I'll have to spend some more time reading and contemplating it, but what it does show is that the USA has been in a state of conflict for a long time with different opposing forces and agendas.

    The roots of our current day fascist thinking goes deep. The traits of fascism are alive today in our political discourse, but not "fascism" as a promoted ideology. Rather much of it is subliminal and is not apparent to the average citizen. Social issues and tribalism divide us, while we fail to recognize the bigger picture of trends towards a form of fascism where corporations and the ultra rich call the shots and control our governments at federal and state level...while those that stand openly opposed are demonized by their own kind for not being patriotic.
  • eternal flame
    12-11-2014 02:54:40 AM
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    Many people have never heard of, or truly recognized, the NEO-NAZI component of the Republican Party. For instance in the Birch Society, on their National Council was a guy Revilo Oliver, (in 1950's) who later was a leader in the American "neo-Nazi" movement, which has gone on somewhat secretly ever since.
    (He was involved with the writing of the "Turner Diaries," kept as a handbook for radical "militia" types who blow up bldgs, such as Timothy McVeigh). These guys (like JBS - Revilo Oliver), were extremists with a capital "E". // NOTE: The Republicans had a candidate for President, (David Duke), who was a Grand Wizard of the KKK -- & a neo-Nazi. (According to SPLC -- southern poverty law center). DUKE is from Louisiana & ran for U.S. President in 1988 & 1992. (Now he is 64 y/o). He was in JAIL for false tax returns & mail fraud, 2002-2004. (Another fine example of GOP leadership & character).

    Do you remember when the GOP were doing a "Witch-Hunt" against President Bill Clinton? They really wanted ammunition they could use to impeach Clinton, & would use any means necessary to achieve that goal. So they arrested a Clinton friend & business partner, Susan & James McDougal. It was over some land deal known as Whitewater. Anyway, Susan McDougal had to serve 2 years, (and 8 months of it was in "solitary confinement") & her husband Jim McDougal was arrested for a similar term. Ken Starr was the infamous prosecutor -- He threatened them with all kinds of punishments, if they wouldn't confess to multiple wrongdoing with the Clintons. Susan was shackled to a bed, with very little light & no books to read or anything. Her husband was also mistreated & not given his necessary heart medicine, so he DIED in prison. All because some Republicans wanted them to "confess" to something they didn't do. I MENTION THIS: so you can see that the "psycho-Nazi" element really exists deep into the Republican mind-set. This was in 20th century America, & these 2 people were ordinary American citizens, being tortured, & one even DIED, because some right-wing jerk was on a political vendetta.

    NOW compare this to the "Torture" being done (by Americans) to prisoners in secret places -- from the TORTURE REPORTS being issued THIS WEEK, This program to torture prisoners in IRAQ & foreign countries, done by the Geo BUSH ADMIN, shows how they love to use "cruel" & "painful" & "horrific" things to human beings, to get information that is not even useful or truthful. Many of the elements of torture being dreamed up by the GOP were sadistic sexual fantasy,
    such as rectal stuffing, with weird things, like food thru a blender & then up their rectum, with a hose -- are psychotic homosexual "deviance" way beyond the scale of any normalcy. It is one of those things, often referred to as "psycho-Nazi" behavior. And it was being dreamed up by GOP officials, on an ordinary day.
    Just a routine job --- dream up a routine to use on prisoners. See if you can "encourage them to co-operate" with our requests for information.

    Now imagine if the GOP were in full control of our Govt --- of our Presidency, plus our Congress, plus our Supreme Court, & our entire Military Industrial WAR MACHINE. THINK of what they would do, with all the ULTIMATE POWER they would have, Since they show us, everyday, how much compassion they have for the American workers, who are trying to exist on starvation pay, and how much tenderness for the sick or hungry children living in America today, & watch how much compassion for the "wounded soldiers" who come home from all the Republican Wars we have had for at least 11 years now. NO, we can't declare an END to WAR.. NO NO -- the Republican WAR MACHINE demands ENDLESS ETERNAL WAR. That will rack up endless COSTS to the U.S. Taxpayers, and endless dead bodies coming home in flag-draped coffins, BUT DO THEY CARE?? Hell, NO, since little Republican boys stay home with Daddy & Mommy.

    We will soon be living in an America where "psycho-Nazi" thoughts will be the Norm, coming out of American (GOP) Leadership. Those who voted for that stuff will be "very sorry" -- but then it will be TOO LATE. So keep a watchful eye on Wash DC, because the Repubs will get more power in January. Our Democrats will TRY to keep things respectable & FAIR, --- but they may be vastly out-numbered. (They have never really learned how to "Fight Dirty" yet). And I am very PROUD that they have always done the honorable thing, as our Founders would have wanted. But I hope a few have thought about the Holocaust -- you know, the one that never happened in Germany? I'll bet the Germans wish they had studied beforehand a few tactics, to guarantee the survival of Human Decency.
  • AmcmurryFreedom
    12-11-2014 11:14:48 AM
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    This posting is bringing up all sorts of tangent forces mobilizing against humanity and a society we desire to have freedom, equality and quality of life. When you piece the components together there shows a deviant course many in America and the world is taking. It's as though there are actual evil forces, such as the Marvel comic books depict. I have had most of my life a distaste for Republican ideals and their agenda. When you begin to piece things together in history there shows a connection with bringing down hope in America by the Republican agenda. Not withstanding there is a slight connection even with the Democratic party as if either Republicans are swaying Democratic party values or there are wolves in sheep clothing within the Democratic party. There sure appears that history reflects what is going on currently is directly connected to something evil in society.

    The current media issues of Ferguson, Stratton, and Cleveland having potential racial issues may be enflamed by these evil forces in play to push Americans in anarchy or worse to get more Republicans in charge. I believe America's problems are going to get a lot worse before it gets better. There exists so much money the specific people in charge have their disposal to play the American hearts and minds. People can be bought for very little money and perform the desires of those who play the fiddle of getting their evil agendas into the political main stream. An example is Rick Sinquefield, Missouri business, buying politics to maneuver the social politics and business he wants. These people will stop at nothing to get what they desire and they have the money to burn toget it. Ever wondered why our stock market is so stagnant the past several years? Think what could have happened if all these rich bastards holding onto their funds would actually invest into business and people would have done to todays markets. There is trillions of dollars left untapped and being held around he world and being used for what..............for the opportune moment to invest, spend or purchase an evil trick into maneuvering world politics. They don't care to spend massive fortunes to help people. Some will spend a small percentage of their wealth for humanity, but will hold back more money than they could ever spend in their lifetime, for what.............end of the world?

    If anybody can find the source of this fanatical empire, more power to you, but it is a large beast. Some may call it "Hydra" like in Marvell comics or an old theory of conspiracies, "The Tri-Lateral Commission". I'm still looking into Anarchy and Fascism, and I believe there is a connection. In order for Fascism or any specific political system movement to grow there has to be some anarchy involved. All the protesting going on is one good movement to advocate, even though those that are protesting don't have any idea what they are being pushed to achieve. The devil is in the details.
  • that guy in Arizona
    01-19-2015 10:08:24 PM
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    In his post on December 10 (on "the John Birch Society" thread) , eternal flame referred to a book titled "Wrapped In The Flag", written by Claire Conner

    I just finished reading it this morning, and would highly recommend it to all of you.

    Claire's parents were the first 2 members of the John Birch Society in Chicago. Not only does her book give an extremely accurate description of the JBS (both past and present) it also provides clear evidence that the KKK, the JBS, and the Tea Party are essentially the same organization.
  • eternal flame
    01-21-2015 09:19:37 AM
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    Hello Arizona: Thank you so much for reading the book. It is amazing how much she reveals about the inner workings of the John Birch Society, where her father was on the National Council (near 1958). They had JBS meetings at her house 6 nights per week, & she had to attend them all. At age 13, she was made an adult member. She tells how their Catholic priest also attended Birch meetings, & even Revilo Oliver, the father of American Nazism & Fascism, was at her house. How the Birchers tried to "revise" school textbooks, to manipulate how kids were taught about history & the concepts of liberals. Birchers were sent out to infiltrate churches, to start manipulating what sermons their preacher could speak from the pulpits. It was HUGE and it was insidious, (nobody could possibly have predicted it or even believed it). But remember, the leaders of the John Birch Society were ALL very wealthy Republicans, (businessmen with powerful positions in society & tons of money). Some of them were just "gullible" fools, who could be told anything & they might have believed it. But SOME, had to know it was "hype" & BS, but it was going to make them Kings of the World, & make them richer than they could dream, if they could push this Birch Agenda to its culmination: The total Destruction of Democracy in America.

    WANT PROOF? The Birchers considered all the "liberals" (ie Democrats) in America to be Communists, & therefore the "enemy" which must be quickly destroyed. The Founder of the JBS (Robt Welch) even called out John F. Kennedy (Democratic President) as a "commie liberal" who must be destroyed. (See, the CLUES began to appear very early, what the Birch Agenda was). They called JFK a commie, 5 years before he was assassinated. And then, of course they would ALSO have to get rid of his brother (Atty General Robt F. Kennedy), when HE ran to be President, 5 yrs later (1968). IF YOU GET RID OF 2 important "liberals", it will be much easier for "right wing" Republicans to get elected. And MONEY makes it SO. --- THEN it just so happened that the Republicans ran Barry Goldwater for President --- a Member of the "John Birch Society" National Council. [Such a "coincidence" ?] PLEASE STAY WITH ME just a LITTLE WHILE LONGER. I have some IMPORTANT PROOF for you, -- if you need much more ---- Also, I just saw one quote here: "In the nations that the gods would destroy, they first make the middle class helpless." (p.123) The Blue Book --- the JBS Member's Manual (15th printing) by Western Islands, Belmont, Mass. (AUTHOR: JBS founder, Robert Welch, c 1959, 1961).
  • that guy in Arizona
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    eternal:

    I wish that everyone in the country would read this book, but we both know that will never happen.
    Our best hope is to provide more information to our friends and acquaintances so that we can at least make a small difference.

    I found Claire's reference to the "secret book" to be very interesting. After her father publicly denied that the book existed, and later admitted that the numbered copies were only intended for a select few members of JBS, their credibility took a HUGE hit, and membership plummeted.
  • eternal flame
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    Sometimes a few quotes from the BLUE BOOK itself -- (the members manual of the John Birch Society) written by JBS founder Robt Welch, will awaken you to the kind of "thought control and brain-washing" that went on, in the early stages. (This all began way back in 1958).

    HERE IS A QUOTE from JBS Founder, (Robert Welch), spouting some of HIS usual "lying" PROPAGANDA:

    "we must educate or awaken our fellow citizens, to the differences between a democracy and a republic, to the unceasing efforts to break our republic down into that footstool of tyrants known as a democracy." -- JBS Blue Book, ibid. (p. 100)

    HOW THE BIRCHERS THINK about MARTIN LUTHER KING & his CIVIL RIGHTS MARCH (in 1960's)

    "We are bitterly opposed to forced integration, in schools, or anywhere else, -- because, by the Constitution, the federal govt has nothing to do legally with public education, -- & because all this trouble over integration is Communist inspired, encouraged & implemented for Communist purposes." --The Blue Book, JBS Manual, ibid (p. 162).

    LYING PROPAGANDA about a Republic versus a Democracy --- (JBS is totally wrong).
    "These same liberals have been working so long and so hard to convert our republic into a democracy, and to make the American people believe that it is supposed to be a democracy. Nothing could be further from the truth than that insidiously planted premise. Our founding fathers had nearly a clean slate on which to write the blueprint for our own govt. They gave us a republic because they considered it the best of all forms of govt. They visibly spurned a democracy, as probably the worst of all forms of govt." (unquote) --(E.F.) NOTE: THIS ENTIRE Paragraph IS A TOTAL LIE].
    ---- Footnotes for the Fourth Printing ------- The Blue Book, JBS Manual, ibid --- (p. 161) ---

    THIS IS MY EXPLANATION OF HOW THE BIRCHERS THOUGHT ABOUT DEMOCRATS (& Many Still Do):
    Keeping in mind, that to the Bircher mind-set, the "liberal Democrats" are considered to be the "Communist conspiracy" inside the USA, & the horrible "enemy" they are always fighting against, day & night, like a Holy War. ----- They have been continuously brain-washed to utterly believe this nonsense since 1958, And I am quite sure they are still preaching that idea to the GOP today.
    For decades, this message has been incorporated into Republican politics, right-wing religions, & even into publications that may appear in your own doctor's office, or dentist's office, -- or even into your seat packets whenever you fly in an airliner. Of course, similar lies & wild propaganda have been spread over the airwaves, by familiar icons of talk radio, like Rush Limbaugh, steadily blasting away at all liberals for over THIRTY years.

    THE JBS LEADER TALKING ABOUT HIS "stated" PURPOSE, --- the ONE THAT IS PUBLICLY ACCEPTABLE.
    "The purpose of the John Birch Society, as officially stated, will be to promote less government, more responsibility, and a better world. Our short range purpose, our long range purpose, and our lasting purpose, is to promote less government, more responsibility, and a better world. That says it all."
    ----- (Quoting Robt Welch) --- The Blue Book -- JBS manual -- ibid. (p.149)

    WELCH tells his HUMBLE REQUEST to be DICTATOR -- Monolithic LEADER of JBS -- (for Hundreds of Years).
    "It is my fervent hope that the John Birch Society will last for hundreds of years. I want no other title than that of its Founder, and have no other ambition for fame or historical remembrance. The John Birch Society is to be a "monolithic" body, A republican form of govt has many advantages, -- but it could lend itself too readily to infiltration and distortion. And democracy, of course, (as the Greeks & Romans found out), "democracy" is merely a deceptive phrase, a weapon of demagoguery, and a perennial fraud." "The John Birch Society will operate under completely authoritative control at all levels. For the advantages of firm and positive direction of the Society's energies. Especially for the "fight against Communism," which is the first great task of the Society. No collection of debating societies is ever going to stop the Communist conspiracy from taking us over, and we mean business every step of the way." (Quoting Robert Welch) -- The Blue Book -- ibid -- (p. 146-147).

    BIRCHERS want INTERNATIONAL TRADE, ---- but want to "wipe out" THE UNITED NATIONS
    "Members of the JBS, anywhere in the world, can be good patriots in their respective countries, -- for an honestly intended federation of nations, for increasing the freedom of individuals (& goods) to cross national boundaries, is something we would support with all our hearts." (p. 150) " But until the intended Communist Internationale (now called the United Nations) has been wiped out, our attitude is made clear by the stated purpose of the Society."
    --- The Blue Book, JBS Manual, ibid -- (p. 150) // NOTE: One of the very first slogans of the John Birch Society was "Get US OUT OF THE UN."

    ***( + )^^^( +)*** PLEASE continue this thread, by proceeding onto the next page. -----THANK YOU. (Eternal Flame).
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