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Why Are Police so Opposed to Wearing Body Cameras?

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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Obama made a cowardice statement...the fact he wouldn't aqckinowledge racial bias confirms that.... In my world if you have a tough job....then quit. I dont care. You took the job, now earn your pay....shit, be a dog catcher. The tax payer fund police salaries...we're the boss. Thats the problem with cops...they dont get that.
    EXACTLY! Cops need to stop whining about how difficult it is to be a cop. They chose to be cops. No one put a gun to a future cops head and forced them to join the force. And yes--we are the boss. I think we forget that far too often.
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: And if that camera couldn't be tampered with....., the donut comment wasn't a joke...LAPD policy is that no officer receive any gratuity whatsoever. ..but yet they eat free or half- off at most restauranst. ...including donut shops.That policy is ignored by most of them. They want great money, great pensions...and then want to cry because the job is tough...get a job at Burger King...thats a tough job.
    A CAMERA THAT COULDN'T BE TAMPERED WOULD EXPOSE A LOT.....LAPD WOULD FIGHT THAT.
    It is an interesting point. It would undoubtedly alter the way cops can behave and would force them to actually follow the rules of their police departments. If their rules state that they can't get stuff for free and they are ignoring that then they should be disciplined. Just because you have a gun doesn't mean you are above the law. Well...at least in theory.

    Most police forces nationwide are fighting cameras, especially in the largest municipalities. From Miami to NYC, cops and their unions are fighting placing cameras on their cops. What are they so scared of? Why wouldn't cops want to have photographic evidence backing up their side of the story? Could it possibly be because they so often do things that are against protocol and a camera would catch them doing it or force them to actually do the job by the book?
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Voodoo donuts???? I heard of them...they were on either shark tank, the profit, or one of those food shows. I just cant remember... I love portland...my favorite city. I spent a lot time in gresham and tigard.....my wife desn't like rain but I'd move up there tomorrow.

    I responded to her with, "hell...I don't like mexicans and I'm here" (LA). She replied "You're Mexican".....I said, being a Mexican has yet to work for me, I gotta try my white roots
    World famous Voodoo Doughnuts. Haha. I never see cops waiting in the line that stretches down the block because I have a feeling the chief might frown upon that. I'm sure it's torture to them because a precinct is just down the road from the donut shop.

    Portland is a great city. Most of our cops are cool and leave people alone, but there were more than a few who were disciplined for wearing 'I am Darren Wilson' strips across their badges. Thankfully they were forced to remove them after numerous people in the city protested.
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    Dutch Wrote:
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: For the Donuts....I think it starts with all the wasted tax dollars at Yum Yums donut shop...
    Ha. I can't say I've ever heard of Yum Yums, but we do have the world famous 'Voodoo Doughnut' here in Portland.
    To get back to the camera's; it won't work. Why, they will certainly tinker with it. there must be an 'off" button on it somewhere; or destroy the whole camrera or make sure it does not download. As I said many times camera's don't work if you do not change the training or culture drastically. Sure you can make nice pictures, but that does not make the dead one's alive again. Sorry to say it is the continuous clash between cultures/race which has to be resolved including the training and interface of police with all kinds of people. So it should as a matter off fact be required that every policeman gets the same training as a phycologist, instead the as now the "army training" which says shoot at everything what moves or does not follow up orders even for a 5 year old..
    A of yesterday Mon, the Phila .PD began a pilot program with some officers volunteering to wear the camera's with the caveat that they must be turned off when requested and when entering a private residence, since it is a pilot program the District chosen was not a very heavy crime area, and it includes a portion of a collage campus, the Phila. Police Commissioner , Charles Ramsey was selected by Obama to co- chair the new program about community policing methods and also involves the use of the body camera's, hope it works out.
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    Sort of useless if they can be turned off I'd say! Of course, a little tape over the lens would be just as effective!
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    My point exactly, but its the only way that the city and the ACLU would allow the wearing of the camera's, maybe in 6 months or so they will re-visit that idea. I still think that it is a good idea on both sides.
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    pgr Wrote: Sort of useless if they can be turned off I'd say! Of course, a little tape over the lens would be just as effective!
    There should be no on-off switch. That kind of defeats the point of the whole thing. Most municipalities that have instituted body cameras don't allow cops to turn them off, but there are quite a few that still do, often leading to tragedies that could have been seen from a mile away. The most notable one of these is when a New Orleans cop turned off her body camera seconds before shooting a suspect in the forehead. This cops boss had the balls to say it was a 'snafu.' That's one hell of a snafu if you ask me. Cops shouldn't be able to turn off their cameras. Plain and simple.

    It's also sort of useless to voluntarily test the cameras in Philly. What is the point of putting cameras on cops who spend their day trying to catch people speeding and wasting their day away at Dunkin Donuts? Not just that, but they can turn them off whenever they feel like it? Why don't they test these cameras out on the cops who patrol North and West Philly? It's almost as if they are setting the program up to fail.
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    I agree with you! JC is the one who said they can be shut off and I said if they can be shut off why bother? Plus any cop who wants to have a "malfunction with his camera" can certainly fix his camera to not work - a bit of tape, covered by a jacket, etc. I like the idea personally and hope they can't be tampered with but I'm afraid if they wouldn't hesitate to kill an unarmed kid they wouldn't hesitate to cover their butt either (along with their camera lens)!
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    pgr Wrote:Plus any cop who wants to have a "malfunction with his camera" can certainly fix his camera to not work - a bit of tape, covered by a jacket, etc. I like the idea personally and hope they can't be tampered with but I'm afraid if they wouldn't hesitate to kill an unarmed kid they wouldn't hesitate to cover their butt either (along with their camera lens)!
    Exactly! There are plenty of cameras out there in use by police forces that can not be tampered with. I have a feeling that the municipalities who are testing cameras that can be tampered with want the program to fail. That way they can continue to let their cops frequent doughnut shops and stop people for walking while black with no repercussions.
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    I know that Dash Cams can't be tampered with.... they couldn't find anyone to be a cop if they were unable to shut them off.
    You know you're going to get your ass whooped when during the beating the officers always yell " STOP RESISTING".....damn, stop beating my ass.
    A body camera would expose all that.
    If you ever notice a police car parked in a red zone while they have "free" lunch.....well, here in LA.....people would call the station and complain because we receive tickets for that. LAPD policy is that they can't park a city vehicle in the red zone while off duty. (LUNCH)
    You know, you have to laugh ....everyone hates cops here.
    After the riots and the warren commision reports....the feds actually took over LAPD for almost 10 years (oversight) the feds would require copies of all arrest reports for review....We actually have a Hiring shortfall here in the city. All department are always hiring......less and less applicants
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    Here in Philly we also have a hiring shortage, our Academy has more outside Agencies graduating from the Academy then Philly cops.