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Why Are Police so Opposed to Wearing Body Cameras?

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    We've had plenty of discussion about the rise in police brutality throughout this country, but there is one thing that can easily determine whether a cop acted justifiably or not when they choose to use force: a body camera. Body cameras, either on the officers glasses or vest, will give irrefutable evidence as to whether a cop was justified to beat or murder a citizen. There's just one problem--cops are almost wholly opposed to this. What are they so scared of if they are following the law and protecting the peace as their job requires them to do?

    Why wouldn't cops want photographic proof to back up their side of why the chose to use lethal force or chose to beat a citizen with their baton or flashlight? Can it possibly be because they know their actions are often questionable and a camera will change the way they can harass citizens who are just going about their daily lives?

    Here are two very interesting stats about cities that require police to wear body cameras at all times:

    Crime has fallen an average of 60 percent
    Citizen complaints against police officers have decreased by an average of 85 percent

    Source: Department of Justice Office of Justice Programs

    Most of you know full well my skepticism of police and their decision to use lethal force when it is not needed. I am very worried that we are becoming a police state in large portions of this country and watch the militarization of a force that is sworn to protect and serve we the people with rising alarm. Why would it be so difficult for these officers who we entrust to take a citizens life if necessary to wear a camera that will serve as evidence in any investigation of police brutality? Why are cops so worried about being watched if they are doing the job they are supposed to be doing? If police departments can afford tanks and riot gear then they can afford cameras.
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    For the Donuts....I think it starts with all the wasted tax dollars at Yum Yums donut shop...
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    The question here in Philly is why is the ACLU is in opposition to the body camera's when the local Fraternal of Police is not?? Well it seems the ACLU is concerned that when officers have to enter a private residence in response to a call that they may inadvertently violate the home owners 1st.. Amendment Rights to privacy because the camera would constitute an illegal search, so you could expand that thought to a car stop as the 1st. Amendment applies to a private vehicle, unless something is in a plain sight or there is probable cause to search further, but not what the camera's catch, gets kind of convoluted when the lawyers take over.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: The question here in Philly is why is the ACLU is in opposition to the body camera's when the local Fraternal of Police is not?? Well it seems the ACLU is concerned that when officers have to enter a private residence in response to a call that they may inadvertently violate the home owners 1st.. Amendment Rights to privacy because the camera would constitute an illegal search, so you could expand that thought to a car stop as the 1st. Amendment applies to a private vehicle, unless something is in a plain sight or there is probable cause to search further, but not what the camera's catch, gets kind of convoluted when the lawyers take over.
    Can you please provide the specific case you are referring to? The only ACLU lawsuits against Philadelphia cops that I can find is for citizens being arrested for filming police. That is very different than the ACLU filing a suit saying they don't want body cameras on police officers. The most recent of numberous cases is Fleck v. City of Philadelphia.

    Here is a full list of all pending lawsuits filed by the ACLU in Pennsylvania. Can you please point out the specific case you are talking about? I'm having a difficult time finding it.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    There is no case, there was a discussion group that was formed before the policy is set up for the wearing of body camera's and the circumstances when it would be applicable to not have the camera on. Please don't reply to my posts as you and I differ on too many points.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Please don't reply to my posts as you and I differ on too many points.
    You do realize you were the one who originally replied to my post, right?
  • Democrat
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    I will take the bait one last time , no where in my post did I mention that there was a law suit involved, you, as you are want to do, take upon yourself to read into a post, draw your own conclusions and proclaim that your viewpoint is correct, as for replying to your post I felt compelled to reply to your query into my posting, that's all. Draw no conclusions to it, I will not reply anymore , irrespective of your goading.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: For the Donuts....I think it starts with all the wasted tax dollars at Yum Yums donut shop...
    Ha. I can't say I've ever heard of Yum Yums, but we do have the world famous 'Voodoo Doughnut' here in Portland.
  • Independent
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    L.A. Citizen Wrote: For the Donuts....I think it starts with all the wasted tax dollars at Yum Yums donut shop...
    Ha. I can't say I've ever heard of Yum Yums, but we do have the world famous 'Voodoo Doughnut' here in Portland.
    To get back to the camera's; it won't work. Why, they will certainly tinker with it. there must be an 'off" button on it somewhere; or destroy the whole camrera or make sure it does not download. As I said many times camera's don't work if you do not change the training or culture drastically. Sure you can make nice pictures, but that does not make the dead one's alive again. Sorry to say it is the continuous clash between cultures/race which has to be resolved including the training and interface of police with all kinds of people. So it should as a matter off fact be required that every policeman gets the same training as a phycologist, instead the as now the "army training" which says shoot at everything what moves or does not follow up orders even for a 5 year old..
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:To get back to the camera's; it won't work. Why, they will certainly tinker with it. there must be an 'off" button on it somewhere; or destroy the whole camrera or make sure it does not download. As I said many times camera's don't work if you do not change the training or culture drastically. Sure you can make nice pictures, but that does not make the dead one's alive again. Sorry to say it is the continuous clash between cultures/race which has to be resolved including the training and interface of police with all kinds of people. So it should as a matter off fact be required that every policeman gets the same training as a phycologist, instead the as now the "army training" which says shoot at everything what moves or does not follow up orders even for a 5 year old..
    I agree that there is a possibility of tampering, but not if you take it out of the police officers hands. The cameras that are in use by police departments throughout the county that have already adopted this policy cannot be tampered with by the police officer who is wearing them.

    I wholeheartedly agree with you that we have to change the culture before wee will see genuine change in police practices though. A camera will not prevent everything, but they have drastically improved relations between police and the community in the small number of localities that now wear them. Think of how much of a positive change that could bring if it was nationwide. It won't solve everything, but it will be a damn good start.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Speaking of police cameras--President Obama will be requesting a little over $250 million from Congress to pay for body cameras and new training for police officers on how to interact with minority members of our communities. He did so after holding meetings with various groups on the matter of police brutality and the mistrust between police and the communities they serve. Actually getting the money from Congress will be another thing. We will see how much the President is willing to fight for this money in future budget negotiations with Congress.

    This is a great first step and I hope the Congress is willing to go along with this. If they are so willing to sell excess military equipment that has been used in recent wars then they should be willing to do what it takes to ensure Police don't misuse that equipment and are actually doing their job of protecting the peace.
  • Center Left
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    I am completely for cameras. Many times police have a camera on their dash board pointing forward. Any additional information and evidence would help everybody. We're all just looking for the truth. And that's not the truth according to the cop who is still alive unlike the one who was shot 7 times.
  • Liberal
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    Obama stated... "ferguson citizens feel that they're being treated unfairly" and then that "officers have the right to go home because they have such a hard job". Obama made a cowardice statement...the fact he wouldn't aqckinowledge racial bias confirms that.... In my world if you have a tough job....then quit. I dont care. You took the job, now earn your pay....shit, be a dog catcher. The tax payer fund police salaries...we're the boss. Thats the problem with cops...they dont get that. And if that camera couldn't be tampered with....., the donut comment wasn't a joke...LAPD policy is that no officer receive any gratuity whatsoever. ..but yet they eat free or half- off at most restauranst. ...including donut shops.That policy is ignored by most of them. They want great money, great pensions...and then want to cry because the job is tough...get a job at Burger King...thats a tough job.
    A CAMERA THAT COULDN'T BE TAMPERED WOULD EXPOSE A LOT.....LAPD WOULD FIGHT THAT.

    JC If you're out there. I raised an issue regarding the "fact" that Wilson wasn't afraid because of their proximity to one another. If you can,,,please instruct because I could be very wrong.
    " How was Brown able to get inside the vehicle so quicly"????? especialy since Wilson saw him as a huge demonic beast.
  • Liberal
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    Voodoo donuts???? I heard of them...they were on either shark tank, the profit, or one of those food shows. I just cant remember... I love portland...my favorite city. I spent a lot time in gresham and tigard.....my wife desn't like rain but I'd move up there tomorrow.

    I responded to her with, "hell...I don't like mexicans and I'm here" (LA). She replied "You're Mexican".....I said, being a Mexican has yet to work for me, I gotta try my white roots
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: I am completely for cameras. Many times police have a camera on their dash board pointing forward. Any additional information and evidence would help everybody. We're all just looking for the truth. And that's not the truth according to the cop who is still alive unlike the one who was shot 7 times.
    I'm wondering why there wasn't any camera on Wilson's dashboard. It surely would have been able to irrefutably corroborate his side of the story, but he didn't have one in his car. That dashboard camera would have proven beyond any doubt what happened. How convenient...

    I don't know how anyone could be against placing a camera on every single cop in this country. What are they so scared of?