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British Youth Turning to Islam

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  • Liberal Democrat
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    RT, September 13, 2013: Change of faith: Why young Brits turn from Christianity to Islam

    This article is a year old, but I just came upon it as I was trying to understand why so many western youth have been attracted to ISIS.

    From RT's Polly Boiko:

    "The UK’s official religion is dwindling at a record speed, with the decline of the Church "approaching rock bottom," experts warn. While Christian congregations age, most British mosques are bringing more and more young people on board. Public mosque services attract thousands of British Muslims, but when you check out a church, there are hardly a dozen participants at Sunday morning worship, RT’s Polly Boiko reports from London."

    As Andrew Copson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association explains, Christianity in the UK has been in decline for decades and "95 percent of people don’t attend church on an average Sunday." Many are just getting old and for others, perhaps, the church is just less important.

    Copson goes on to state, “I think over time even the weak cultural identity that still seems to be associated with Christianity will banish away, probably all over Europe, not just in the UK.”

    However, to be clear, this older white demographic is not abandoning Christianity to join Islam. Muslims comprise only 5 percent of the UK's population. Nevertheless it is the young people, many of them of other ethnicities, that are attracted for a variety of reasons, apparently feeling that Islam is offering them better life choices than Christianity.

    Is it a short term thing, driven by economic conditions, high youth unemployment, and discontent with society as whole? I don't know, but consider this: The most popular name for baby boys born in the UK in 2014 is Muhammad, according to a new chart for 2014 compiled by BabyCentre.

    RT, December 1, 2014: Muhammad tops charts as No. 1 baby name in UK
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    Schmidt Wrote: As Andrew Copson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association explains, Christianity in the UK has been in decline for decades and "95 percent of people don’t attend church on an average Sunday." Many are just getting old and for others, perhaps, the church is just less important.

    Copson goes on to state, “I think over time even the weak cultural identity that still seems to be associated with Christianity will banish away, probably all over Europe, not just in the UK.”
    That number astounds me. I knew that the Christian religion was on the decline in the UK and greater Europe, but never thought it was anywhere near that number.
    Schmidt Wrote: Is it a short term thing, driven by economic conditions, high youth unemployment, and discontent with society as whole? I don't know, but consider this: The most popular name for baby boys born in the UK in 2014 is Muhammad, according to a new chart for 2014 compiled by BabyCentre.
    That's a good question. My guess is that it isn't a short term thing and is indicative of how religion in that part of the world will be viewed in the future.

    The Muhammad statistic is also really interesting. It doesn't surprise me much though. It only makes sense that the number of British citizens with Islamic names will rise as the number of British citizens who follow Islam rises.

    What's also interesting is the number of Christian names in the top ten. Mohammad may take number one, but Noah, Jacob, Joshua, and James are all in the top ten, as well. However, the main issue with Christian names is that it's impossible to determine whether those were done in a religious context or more out of tradition.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: As Andrew Copson, chief executive of the British Humanist Association explains, Christianity in the UK has been in decline for decades and "95 percent of people don’t attend church on an average Sunday." Many are just getting old and for others, perhaps, the church is just less important.

    Copson goes on to state, “I think over time even the weak cultural identity that still seems to be associated with Christianity will banish away, probably all over Europe, not just in the UK.”
    That number astounds me. I knew that the Christian religion was on the decline in the UK and greater Europe, but never thought it was anywhere near that number.
    Schmidt Wrote: Is it a short term thing, driven by economic conditions, high youth unemployment, and discontent with society as whole? I don't know, but consider this: The most popular name for baby boys born in the UK in 2014 is Muhammad, according to a new chart for 2014 compiled by BabyCentre.
    That's a good question. My guess is that it isn't a short term thing and is indicative of how religion in that part of the world will be viewed in the future.

    The Muhammad statistic is also really interesting. It doesn't surprise me much though. It only makes sense that the number of British citizens with Islamic names will rise as the number of British citizens who follow Islam rises.

    What's also interesting is the number of Christian names in the top ten. Mohammad may take number one, but Noah, Jacob, Joshua, and James are all in the top ten, as well. However, the main issue with Christian names is that it's impossible to determine whether those were done in a religious context or more out of tradition.
    May be it is my background but indeed Europe is waking up slowly ( Italy and France are still a bit stuck in the traditional culture) You can sell snake oil in these modern times only for so long.Except in the US it is so imbred/indoctrinated that it is getting worse and more fanatic then ever, because this is an island occupied by plenty of insecure people. The fear factor and insecurity rules here, so they are an easy prey for the unscrupelous churches and militaristic propaganda. I doubt if in the Netherlands " Mohammed" is a popular name; they rather stay out of the whole US created mess around the world. I think the British culture is more related to the US one.
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    The UK is not a religious country (though the number of Church attendances is much higher than 5%), and the apparent weight of Islam is just like that of Irish Romanism before it - people cling together in a new Country, but they soon acclimatise and give it up.
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    Like I said ; the US is more related to the UK than mainland Europe; it is an "island" like the US. The stupidity here is that they took over the British anomalies like "inches" "pounds" "miles" and other stupid things. But yeah, at least we can boost about having the most "evangelicals" because here they still believe in "Jesus ghosts" and are scared of their own shadow, but at least their gun collection and Trump will save their asses. Also the British royalty is here always in the news, because they feel British here. Have some "clotted cream torts" with "fish and chips"
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    Okay...a bit off topic, but a pub lunch of fish, chips and peas washed down with a pint of bitter (Yorkshire) is the best work experience I had while living in London. Lot of work accomplished (problem solving) in these settings. Oh and I can't recall any of my British colleagues having any affinity to religion. We just didn't discuss it.
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    What are clotted cream tarts? And Americans can't tell their arse from a donkey.
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    iolo Wrote: What are clotted cream tarts? And Americans can't tell their arse from a donkey.
    Try one!! No that about "asses" is not true; ever been at Walmart? The asses are twice the width of a donkey; must be the clotted cream tarts.
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    Is that like scones with clotted cream?

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Scones+with+Clotted+Cream&FORM=RESTAB

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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Is that like scones with clotted cream?

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Scones+with+Clotted+Cream&FORM=RESTAB

    yummi !!! Yes you can also use it to grease your car!
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    What are clotted cream tarts? They sound pukish. Are you talking about cream teas?
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    Schmidt Wrote:

    Is that like scones with clotted cream?

    https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Scones+wwith+Clotted+Cream&FORM=RESTAB

    A cream tea is a pot of tea with a fresh scone with clotted cream and jam. Within reason it is delicious.