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    Well this seems like good news to me. When someone shoots a boy with a toy they should be charged with murder. However, the article has the words Grand Jury in it. Translation: Get out of jail free card....... oops. you'd have to be in jail to get out of jail.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/11/tamir-rice-police-officer-murder-charge

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    TJ Wrote:

    Well this seems like good news to me. When someone shoots a boy with a toy they should be charged with murder. However, the article has the words Grand Jury in it. Translation: Get out of jail free card....... oops. you'd have to be in jail to get out of jail.

    http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/11/tamir-rice-police-officer-murder-charge

    It's a good first step, but there is still a long way to go. The DA is not required to listen to the judge and can very well ignore his suggestion entirely. I'm worried this is all just smoke and mirrors because the judge doesn't have the legal authority to do anything other than say he thinks charges should be brought against the two officers. It's still up to the DA to actually file them and I'm not holding my breath that he actually will. His investigation is now well into its sixth month and I'm afraid he's just going to ignore the judge entirely and allow these two officers to get off scot-free.

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    The Judge himself said that he based his opinion, and that is what it is , an opinion, on the submitted affidavits of an activist group, and that he has no authority to bring charges based on those documents, he opined on the probable cause, he cannot make any ruling on any case without seeing all of the evidence first, let alone a case not even before him.There are some that feel any police shooting that ends in death for the victm is automatically murder.
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    Like the facts that it was a 12 year old boy with a gun that the caller said was probably fake. Messy details. Another messy detail was the one cop got out of the car and immediately began shooting the boy. So much for assessing the situation. Don't worry it's going to be heard in "Cops court" where nobody is ever found to be guilty.
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    Something to learn from all of this.........................don't have a gun or "Toy" gun looking thing in your hand............when Police arrive. Period!

    Parental advice or coaching is lacking here. Sorry..........but that is all the facts needed to assess this situation. Just like the Brown case, "Don't charge or attack the Police"..........Period. Our children have too much fantasy with guns and character to boldly attack Police.

    Did someone say, "Don't throw rocks at bears in the woods." or "Don't challenge a bull moose in the forest" ? Very similar to both what Rice and Brown did by foolishly have poor judgment on how to react with Police.

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    TJ Wrote: Like the facts that it was a 12 year old boy with a gun that the caller said was probably fake. Messy details. Another messy detail was the one cop got out of the car and immediately began shooting the boy. So much for assessing the situation. Don't worry it's going to be heard in "Cops court" where nobody is ever found to be guilty.
    Like the fact that the dispatcher never informed the responding officers that the caller said the weapon was possibly a fake, also the fact that victim was pointing the weapon at the responding officers, what is there to assess other than the fact that the call was founded and there was someone pointing a weapon at the officers, were they supposed to allow the victim to fire the first shot before they returned fire. Also what is "Cops Court", another made up fact of yours.
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: Like the facts that it was a 12 year old boy with a gun that the caller said was probably fake. Messy details. Another messy detail was the one cop got out of the car and immediately began shooting the boy. So much for assessing the situation. Don't worry it's going to be heard in "Cops court" where nobody is ever found to be guilty.
    Like the fact that the dispatcher never informed the responding officers that the caller said the weapon was possibly a fake, also the fact that victim was pointing the weapon at the responding officers, what is there to assess other than the fact that the call was founded and there was someone pointing a weapon at the officers, were they supposed to allow the victim to fire the first shot before they returned fire. Also what is "Cops Court", another made up fact of yours.
    J.C. are your reading glasses again broken? What T.J. said is correct; you know bloody well what "Cops Court" is
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    Dutch Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote:
    TJ Wrote: Like the facts that it was a 12 year old boy with a gun that the caller said was probably fake. Messy details. Another messy detail was the one cop got out of the car and immediately began shooting the boy. So much for assessing the situation. Don't worry it's going to be heard in "Cops court" where nobody is ever found to be guilty.
    Like the fact that the dispatcher never informed the responding officers that the caller said the weapon was possibly a fake, also the fact that victim was pointing the weapon at the responding officers, what is there to assess other than the fact that the call was founded and there was someone pointing a weapon at the officers, were they supposed to allow the victim to fire the first shot before they returned fire. Also what is "Cops Court", another made up fact of yours.
    J.C. are your reading glasses again broken? What T.J. said is correct; you know bloody well what "Cops Court" is
    I don't know what a "Cops Court" is, but you never let facts stand in the way of your fantasy before so why start now, and if you read the reports completely and not just the parts that you think are truthful while disbelieving the rest, you will find the dispatcher's statement to the effect that she did not inform the officers that it might be a fake, but again that does not fit your narrative so it must be untrue.
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    Cops court = a grand jury. I'm sure in your (and AMC's) world the only reasonable results are for 100% to walk away without any penalty. In real life probably 95+ % do walk away with it being perfectly fine that they killed an unarmed person. Crazy as this sounds....... many citizens don't like that.

    If the dispatcher didn't relay the important "probably fake" comment then he or she should not be getting paid with tax dollars. The way the cops killed this kid was evil and cops should be ashamed.

    Some of you automatically hand out the Hero Badge to all cops. I would think that applies to about 5%.

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    TJ Wrote:

    Cops court = a grand jury. I'm sure in your (and AMC's) world the only reasonable results are for 100% to walk away without any penalty. In real life probably 95+ % do walk away with it being perfectly fine that they killed an unarmed person. Crazy as this sounds....... many citizens don't like that.

    If the dispatcher didn't relay the important "probably fake" comment then he or she should not be getting paid with tax dollars. The way the cops killed this kid was evil and cops should be ashamed.

    Some of you automatically hand out the Hero Badge to all cops. I would think that applies to about 5%.

    Only in your bias world is a grand jury, which is comprised of the citizens who know very little about the legal system, would it be called a Cops Court, and you also seem to enjoy speculating rather base your claims on facts. Now as far as the dispatcher is concerned that is a matter for the discipline board to figure out, not the court of public opinion which you seemingly prefer, and you also do not know what evil is, because shooting at someone pointing a replica of a Colt #1411, 45 cal. semi-automatic pistol is not evil, but rather stupid on the part of the young man, which cost him his life, even after being warned by the friend who allowed him to have it, not to wave it around in public.