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Gun control - it's a start

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  • Center Left
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    Apparently in Washington state they passed initiative 594. Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates donated 1 million dollars to support the initiative. Gun owners, defenders of the 2nd amendment, and the NRA are all up in arms because if you give them an inch they'll take a mile.
    This new initiative was started because a man tried to buy a gun from a gun store and he could not pass the background check. Luckily for him there are lots of guns for sale on the internet. He bought one. Went to his ex-girlfriends house, put the gun up to her head and shot/killed her. He then shot himself in the head.
    With the new law (I don't know the details) even people selling a gun on line or loaning a gun to a friend has some responsibility to make sure the person getting the gun is sane and stable. It's said that with this happening somewhere, maybe the same will happen in other states. Of course no politician would dare take on the NRA. This was a type of initiative that individual citizens can get put onto the ballet. Apparently that can still be done in about 30 states.
    There was a brief story on CNN about this today. I'm not against gun ownership but the whole situation could use about 1000 improvements. So I feel that at least it was a start. I am 100% behind background checks on ALL gun sales. That's a logical first step.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y04g0_Wl10E

    Okay, video doesn't play but it takes you to youtube. If you type: initiative 594 in the search box it brings up many related videos.

    above is an anti initiative 594 ad
    at least knowing what it's called allows others to look it up on Google if they want more info.
    Thank you Bill Gates
  • Independent
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: Apparently in Washington state they passed initiative 594. Microsoft billionaire Bill Gates donated 1 million dollars to support the initiative. Gun owners, defenders of the 2nd amendment, and the NRA are all up in arms because if you give them an inch they'll take a mile.
    This new initiative was started because a man tried to buy a gun from a gun store and he could not pass the background check. Luckily for him there are lots of guns for sale on the internet. He bought one. Went to his ex-girlfriends house, put the gun up to her head and shot/killed her. He then shot himself in the head.
    With the new law (I don't know the details) even people selling a gun on line or loaning a gun to a friend has some responsibility to make sure the person getting the gun is sane and stable. It's said that with this happening somewhere, maybe the same will happen in other states. Of course no politician would dare take on the NRA. This was a type of initiative that individual citizens can get put onto the ballet. Apparently that can still be done in about 30 states.
    There was a brief story on CNN about this today. I'm not against gun ownership but the whole situation could use about 1000 improvements. So I feel that at least it was a start. I am 100% behind background checks on ALL gun sales. That's a logical first step.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y04g0_Wl10E

    Okay, video doesn't play but it takes you to youtube. If you type: initiative 594 in the search box it brings up many related videos.

    above is an anti initiative 594 ad
    at least knowing what it's called allows others to look it up on Google if they want more info.
    Thank you Bill Gates
    Tony,sure I agree; but it does not help. There are 350 million plus guns around of which only a few are registered; so jumping through a million hoops will not change that situation; the damage is already done; try to reverse it; doubt it can be done.
  • Center Left
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    Dutch,
    I know there are way too many guns out there - no doubt. But as noted in the example I posted..... if some who should be can be refused guns, maybe less ex-girlfriends will be shot/killed. It's too late to try to save the world but if new laws can save some lives, as I said..... It's a start.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    Tony:


    I've just started to read "Enough", which was written by Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly. Since both of them are strong supporters of the 2nd Amendment and gun owners, they bring an interesting perspective to the discussion

    Oddly enough, the first contributor to their organization, Americans for Responsible Solutions, was a Texas trial lawyer who owns 35 guns. He was amused by the fact that he could buy 3000 rounds of ammunition with absolutely no paperwork and without even giving his name, but he had to fill out a bunch of paperwork for the DMV when he sold an old Jet Ski trailer for $200.

    He gave $1,000,000 to the organization.
  • Democrat
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    I've always wanted to ask the gun stores or Wallymart when purchasing a BB-GUN do I have to register and fill our some approving documentation. The BB-guns are perfect for getting rid of pesky raccoons, squirrels and other critters that prey on my garden and property sanctity. Although I do not desire to kill or maim the varmint, I just want to drive them off, so to speak, especially some else's dog who likes to poop in my yard. I know charges can come up on dog shooters, BB gun or not. The dog shooting is just a joke, because I do like dogs better than varmints, even if they poop on my yard. However, I noticed that BB-guns (.177 caliber) have escalated the velocity of projectile up to 1500FPS and more. I remember my trusty ole western Red BB gun when I was 6 years old. I am sure that BB did not come out that fast and sometimes that BB came out a few feet and dropped to the ground, so what happen to these new faster-than-Superman BB guns? Does the NRA push the envelop on BB Guns also?

    I'm slow to purchase anything these days, but I do not intend to use my Smith & Weston and shotguns on these critters, unless I intend to make a meal out of them. I've eaten almost everything that is in the varmint category, but nowadays I content with just good ole beef steak, pork, chicken and when my family brings home some venison, buffalo, or elk. I do remember a good squirrel and rabbit stew. If I purchase one of these new BB guns, I just may have to make a good stew, because the projectile velocity is beyond the ouch category.
  • Liberal
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    The mere fact that a citizen with no record can buy a gun and then turn around and sell it privately to anyone makes gun control a dream. Give it up.
  • Center Left Democrat
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    L.A. Citizen:


    A lot of people aren't aware of the fact that the Supreme Court upheld the federal ban on "straw purchases" in July of this year. I'm not sure of the penalties involved, but if the ban had been in effect for the last 15 years or so, it would have prevented the shootings at Columbine high school, and LOTS of gang shootings in Chicago.

    The guns that were used at Columbine were purchased by the 18 year old girlfriend of one of the shooters, AFTER they went around the gun show to find out which sellers DID NOT DO a background check.

    According to the Chicago Police Department, 60% of the guns confiscated in Chicago were originally sold in states that had weaker gun laws than the laws in force in the City of Chicago. The vast majority of those guns were sold by 3 gun stores in suburban Cook County, and one store in Gary, Indiana. Although guns used in Chicago crimes were sold by individuals in all 50 states, Indiana was the highest source (19%) of illegal gun sales.

    http://online.wsj.com/articles/supreme-court-upholds-federal-ban-on-straw-purchases-of-guns-1402932979

    http://www.cityofchicago.org/dam/city/depts/mayor/Press%20Room/Press%20Releases/2014/May/05.27.14TracingGuns.pdf

    The voters of Washington State recently passed a proposition that required a background check for ALL gun purchases, including private sales and gun shows. Although the NRA spent $450,000 trying to defeat the proposition, they got overwhelmed by the "good guys". Michael Bloomberg's Everytown for Gun Safety spent $4,000,000 in support of the measure, and the group also donated $2.3 million to the Washington State Alliance for Gun Responsibility.. Americans for Responsible Solutions spent $500,000, and Bill and Melinda Gates contributed $1,000,000. Seattle entrepreneur also contributed $500,000..

    It's inevitable that propositions like Proposition 594 will spread to other states, and it's obvious that the Republicans in Congress, or in most state legislatures, simply aren't going to do it unless there is a HUGE public outcry. Bloomberg, by the way, is worth $33 billion, so the NRA finally has a foe that they aren't going to be able to defeat.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/05/washington-state-background-checks_n_6103282.html
  • Liberal
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    It's too late. The government would have to confiscate all guns and start over. Way too many guns to control at this stage. Let the games begin
  • Independent
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: It's too late. The government would have to confiscate all guns and start over. Way too many guns to control at this stage. Let the games begin
    Yes, I agree. I guess people forget that even plenty of guns dating back to WWII are around,as well trophy's of all our wars, let alone what comes over our well protected borders, ha ha.
  • Center Left
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    According to the CDC 11,068 gun related homicides per year in the USA. I'm not going to suggest or pretend that we can stop that. What I'm hoping is that if some guns can be kept out of some peoples hands. Laws like Prop. 598 in Washington is a great start. If the killings can be reduced by 10% that would save over 1000 lives per year.

    that guy, great posts. You provided some very good information.

    Side note: A large number of additional gun deaths per year is from suicides. Very unfortunate.
  • Liberal
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: According to the CDC 11,068 gun related homicides per year in the USA. I'm not going to suggest or pretend that we can stop that. What I'm hoping is that if some guns can be kept out of some peoples hands. Laws like Prop. 598 in Washington is a great start. If the killings can be reduced by 10% that would save over 1000 lives per year.

    that guy, great posts. You provided some very good information.

    Side note: A large number of additional gun deaths per year is from suicides. Very unfortunate.


    We don't need Laws,. we just need to convince my buddy AMC to preach to all the lost souls...... After an hour with him (in prayer) clearly citizens would trade in their guns and become missionaries.
  • Democrat
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    Perceived threats is a direct function of anxiety in people. Anxiety produces many personnel disorders, anger, phobia's, depression, bipolar and other disorders. Evolutionary psychology can explain that an increase in anxiety is a contributor to world chaos. All this gun buying people are doing is not just feeding power and greed, it's a bi-product of anxiety in people perceiving threats. The NRA, they are perfect in all this because they do not have advertise much, people will buy and push guns in a frenzy to feed their levels of anxiety. Like a drug, anxiety motivates people to do the worse in humanity.

    As it is Sunday, your Bible verse for the day is: 1 Peter 5:7, "Cast all your anxiety on Him because He cares for you." The background on this scripture is speaking of Jesus, and as God, shows how much He cares for all of us. Anxiety is difficult for many to control and contributes to you doing things you wish you would have stopped and analyze first before reacting. Ferguson, as they await the indictment tomorrow (maybe), is full of anxiety and you can watch the behavior of those who have little or no control on what they do.

    Now, anger is one of the results of anxiety, but anger can be controlled if you are strong enough. Even God is identified in theology of having been angry 375 times in scripture and Jesus has been documented as being anger. The difference between God's anger (including Jesus) is that their anger was toward injustice and unrighteousness. You can say we are all against injustice and unrighteousness, but most do not stop, analyze options and act on peace. No, we throw bricks, kill, rape, beat and torment everyone we come close too. Anxiety with anger is a terrible thing to control behavior.

    So, read your Bible verse for the day and think about it. It's better than going out to the gun store to purchase the latest NRA sanctioned weapon of choice.
  • Independent
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    AMC, I doubt if your imaginary human created "god" thing invented guns!! Also no one from outerspace learned anyone to shoot, so what are you brabbling about? Your "story book" ( as you said yourself) has never stopped a murder or helped to pull the trigger; story books don't kill; people do without any interference of outerspace. Shaking my old head in unbelief!!!
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    NO when selling a gun there are LEGAL steps you take to make sure its not getting in the hands of a wacko!
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    Im all for Charelston Heston...pry my guns from my cold dead fingers...if you've ever had a gun put in your face in the middle of the night you would want to be able to protect your family