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Global warming; Obama's deal wth China

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    Just onthe news ( CNN) Obama and the Chineese leader agreed to reduce emissions to reduce global warming etc. However the GOP is dead set against it MR ( non moving mouth) Mc Connell immediately reacted because he wants Kentucky to produce more coal so he can fill his pockets (on that age?)
    Also there was an interview of some GOP nuthead who is destined to be the head of the EPA. I absolutely do not understand what this all will lead too?
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly" to appointed EPA guy; there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there", I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
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    Dutch Wrote: Just onthe news ( CNN) Obama and the Chineese leader agreed to reduce emissions to reduce global warming etc. However the GOP is dead set against it MR ( non moving mouth) Mc Connell immediately reacted because he wants Kentucky to produce more coal so he can fill his pockets (on that age?)
    Also there was an interview of some GOP nuthead who is destined to be the head of the EPA. I absolutely do not understand what this all will lead too?
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly to appointed EPA guy) there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there" ,I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
    The same breathe the lord used to create life..... surely he will use his lungs to blow away the smog. He woul'nt have created coal if he never intended us to use it. The mercury in the fish is part of his grand design. He loves us so very much. Have faith my Children,,,,because if you read the Bible....then you know he only gave Job what he cold handle.

    He created a million ways to kills us so that we have "free will" in the choosing of our demise. I could feel his love evrytime I see a cancer patient sucking air out of his throat. And he wants us to have all the fire power we want so that some of us get to dwell in his kingdom a little sooner than expected..... Thank you lord for the iphone so that I may stream images of our wonderful heroes bombing little brown kids for their resources....But lord, although I believe in you, I'm in no hurry to meet you anytime soon. kill the other guy,..... because theres still work to be done on your behalf and I'm just the guy to do your bidding.

    You were so selfless, you committed suicide for my sins......Lord...I'm not willing to give up Big Gulps, the Kardashians, Bowling night or internet porn at the moment......so I'm gonna have to take a rain check on eternal bliss because earth sure is a lot of fun.
    In your name...Amen
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote:
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly" to appointed EPA guy; there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there", I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
    The new guy to be head of the Senate Committee on the Environment is 80 year old James Inhofe of Oklahoma. And yes you are right Dutch about getting their information from "up there". This is what Inhofe wrote in his book denying global warming:

    Zealot of US climate change sceptics Jim Inhofe to determine environmental policy

    "In 2012, while publicising his own book on a radio talk show, Senator Inhofe quoted the Bible (Genesis 8:22) to support his thesis. “My point is, God’s still up there. The arrogance of people to think that we, human beings, would be able to change what He is doing in the climate is to me outrageous,” he said."

    Another example of Bible quoting to trump science.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: Just onthe news ( CNN) Obama and the Chineese leader agreed to reduce emissions to reduce global warming etc. However the GOP is dead set against it MR ( non moving mouth) Mc Connell immediately reacted because he wants Kentucky to produce more coal so he can fill his pockets (on that age?)
    Also there was an interview of some GOP nuthead who is destined to be the head of the EPA. I absolutely do not understand what this all will lead too?
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly" to appointed EPA guy; there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there", I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
    I think it's perfectly fine that McConnell and the 'party of no' are against this agreement. First and foremost--there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. Too bad, so sad, Republicans. The Senate only has a say in foreign affairs when it comes to treaties and declaring war. It should go without saying that they (and the House) have been woefully silent when it comes to the whole 'declaring war' aspect of their duties.

    Congressional Quarterly Press, a nonpartisan think tank, explains the President's foreign 'executive agreements' power far more eloquently than I ever can:

    "The Presidency A to Z executive agreement is a pact other than a treaty made by the president with a foreign government. Presidents have asserted that their constitutional powers give them authority to make these pacts without Senate approval. For presidents, the executive agreement is a particularly powerful foreign policy tool because it allows them to act without seeking congressional backing. The chief limitation on executive agreements is that, unlike treaties, they do not supersede any U.S. laws with which they might conflict.

    The executive agreement power was used as early as 1803, when Thomas Jefferson arranged for the Louisiana Purchase without congressional approval. Throughout the nineteenth century presidents made little use of the power, concluding on average only one executive agreement per year. The use of such agreements grew dramatically in the twentieth century. Between 1945 and 1996 only 6 percent of all international agreements entered into by the United States were treaties. Executive agreements are now used to conduct business once reserved for treaties. For example, trade agreements, the annexation of territory, military commitments, and arms control pacts have all been concluded through executive agreements."

    As you can see, this is nothing new. These executive agreements have been used since the earliest days of our Republic and will continue to be used into the future. We can save a discussion about the pros and cons of such executive action for a future thread.
    Dutch Wrote: Also there was an interview of some GOP nuthead who is destined to be the head of the EPA. I absolutely do not understand what this all will lead too?
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly" to appointed EPA guy; there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there", I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
    We will be in for some high quality entertainment watching Senator Inhoffe lead the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. I'm not too worried about him because he will be exposed as the incompetent Neanderthal that he is once he takes over the committee. I have a pretty good feeling he won't be leading that committee for more than two years. Until then, just sit back and enjoy the shit show that will be the Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee and remind yourself that anything this idiot tries to pass can be blocked by President Obama.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: Just onthe news ( CNN) Obama and the Chineese leader agreed to reduce emissions to reduce global warming etc. However the GOP is dead set against it MR ( non moving mouth) Mc Connell immediately reacted because he wants Kentucky to produce more coal so he can fill his pockets (on that age?)
    Also there was an interview of some GOP nuthead who is destined to be the head of the EPA. I absolutely do not understand what this all will lead too?
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly" to appointed EPA guy; there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there", I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
    I think it's perfectly fine that McConnell and the 'party of no' are against this agreement. First and foremost--there is absolutely nothing they can do about it. Too bad, so sad, Republicans. The Senate only has a say in foreign affairs when it comes to treaties and declaring war. It should go without saying that they (and the House) have been woefully silent when it comes to the whole 'declaring war' aspect of their duties.

    Congressional Quarterly Press, a nonpartisan think tank, explains the President's foreign 'executive agreements' power far more eloquently than I ever can:

    "The Presidency A to Z executive agreement is a pact other than a treaty made by the president with a foreign government. Presidents have asserted that their constitutional powers give them authority to make these pacts without Senate approval. For presidents, the executive agreement is a particularly powerful foreign policy tool because it allows them to act without seeking congressional backing. The chief limitation on executive agreements is that, unlike treaties, they do not supersede any U.S. laws with which they might conflict.

    The executive agreement power was used as early as 1803, when Thomas Jefferson arranged for the Louisiana Purchase without congressional approval. Throughout the nineteenth century presidents made little use of the power, concluding on average only one executive agreement per year. The use of such agreements grew dramatically in the twentieth century. Between 1945 and 1996 only 6 percent of all international agreements entered into by the United States were treaties. Executive agreements are now used to conduct business once reserved for treaties. For example, trade agreements, the annexation of territory, military commitments, and arms control pacts have all been concluded through executive agreements."

    As you can see, this is nothing new. These executive agreements have been used since the earliest days of our Republic and will continue to be used into the future. We can save a discussion about the pros and cons of such executive action for a future thread.
    Dutch Wrote: Also there was an interview of some GOP nuthead who is destined to be the head of the EPA. I absolutely do not understand what this all will lead too?
    According to Ted Cruze, Mc Connell and this "newly" to appointed EPA guy; there is no global warming. Wow; thus our "senators" know more than our scientists; they must get their innformation from "up there", I guess.
    I'm sorry but slowly but surely is this country entering the "as long as the rich can breathe" cycle? Welcome to la la land as so many.
    We will be in for some high quality entertainment watching Senator Inhoffe lead the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. I'm not too worried about him because he will be exposed as the incompetent Neanderthal that he is once he takes over the committee. I have a pretty good feeling he won't be leading that committee for more than two years. Until then, just sit back and enjoy the shit show that will be the Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee and remind yourself that anything this idiot tries to pass can be blocked by President Obama.
    "Jared" I hope you are right; just one question; who in "hell" appointed this lunatic? how is this possible?
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    Jared -- Thanks for the update. Not many Americans understand that the Republicans can bluster all they want, but this agreement does not require the Senate or the House to sanction it. There are several other EPA related measures that Obama will take up in December and January as outlined by Politico:

    Politico: The coming climate onslaught

    "The Obama administration is set to roll out a series of climate and pollution measures that rivals any president’s environmental actions of the past quarter-century — a reality check for Republicans who think last week’s election gave them a mandate to end what they call the White House’s “War on Coal.”

    "Tied to court-ordered deadlines, legal mandates and international climate talks, the efforts scheduled for the next two months show that President Barack Obama is prepared to spend the remainder of his term unleashing sweeping executive actions to combat global warming. And incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will have few options for stopping the onslaught, though Republicans may be able to slow pieces of it."


    You can read all about those initiatives in the above Politico article.

    Dutch -- Who appoints Inhofe? Mitch McConnell does. And the people of Oklahoma elect Inhofe by a wide margin. His agenda is what he campaigned on. Absolutely no surprises.
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    Schmidt Wrote: Jared -- Thanks for the update. Not many Americans understand that the Republicans can bluster all they want, but this agreement does not require the Senate or the House to sanction it. There are several other EPA related measures that Obama will take up in December and January as outlined by Politico:

    Politico: The coming climate onslaught

    "The Obama administration is set to roll out a series of climate and pollution measures that rivals any president’s environmental actions of the past quarter-century — a reality check for Republicans who think last week’s election gave them a mandate to end what they call the White House’s “War on Coal.”

    "Tied to court-ordered deadlines, legal mandates and international climate talks, the efforts scheduled for the next two months show that President Barack Obama is prepared to spend the remainder of his term unleashing sweeping executive actions to combat global warming. And incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will have few options for stopping the onslaught, though Republicans may be able to slow pieces of it."


    You can read all about those initiatives in the above Politico article.

    Dutch -- Who appoints Inhofe? Mitch McConnell does. And the people of Oklahoma elect Inhofe by a wide margin. His agenda is what he campaigned on. Absolutely no surprises.
    Thanks "Schmidt"; Why can't we do like the Russians do and "invade" Oklahoma and Kentucky; how is it possible that these states are part of the US?
    Just kidding!!
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Schmidt Wrote: Jared -- Thanks for the update. Not many Americans understand that the Republicans can bluster all they want, but this agreement does not require the Senate or the House to sanction it. There are several other EPA related measures that Obama will take up in December and January as outlined by Politico:

    Politico: The coming climate onslaught

    "The Obama administration is set to roll out a series of climate and pollution measures that rivals any president’s environmental actions of the past quarter-century — a reality check for Republicans who think last week’s election gave them a mandate to end what they call the White House’s “War on Coal.”

    "Tied to court-ordered deadlines, legal mandates and international climate talks, the efforts scheduled for the next two months show that President Barack Obama is prepared to spend the remainder of his term unleashing sweeping executive actions to combat global warming. And incoming Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell will have few options for stopping the onslaught, though Republicans may be able to slow pieces of it."


    You can read all about those initiatives in the above Politico article.

    Dutch -- Who appoints Inhofe? Mitch McConnell does. And the people of Oklahoma elect Inhofe by a wide margin. His agenda is what he campaigned on. Absolutely no surprises.
    Thanks "Schmidt"; Why can't we do like the Russians do and "invade" Oklahoma and Kentucky; how is it possible that these states are part of the US?
    Just kidding!!
    They have already been invaded - buy the right wing, Christian nutters (NOT kidding)!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Schmidt Wrote: Jared -- Thanks for the update. Not many Americans understand that the Republicans can bluster all they want, but this agreement does not require the Senate or the House to sanction it. There are several other EPA related measures that Obama will take up in December and January as outlined by Politico:
    I am extremely excited about these upcoming regulations. It's hard to explain how big of a deal these two developments are. On one hand, we have the worlds largest polluter agreeing to cut their greenhouse gas emissions for the first time. On the other hand, we have some major new initiatives rolling out in America that will make this country a better place and a role model for other countries.

    I get a weird sense of enjoyment watching the Republican party act like toddlers throwing a fit because their mom told them 'no.' It will be high quality entertainment watching them try to sabotage everything while also knowing full well that there is absolutely nothing they can do about it.
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    I enjoy reading all the controversy and consternation and complication of what's so simply the complexity of the way it all . . . WORKS .
    Some time ago I wrote on this -- but long enough ago that this isn't really a "repeat". It's a reiteration that we, especially we liberals who encompass more than a dogma and agenda (and $ as bottom-line limen) . . .should keep in mind.
    Compared to the way things used to be, "ya gotta admit it's gotten better".
    Sure, there's inequality globally and even domestically. But the atrocities of the colonial age have ended, leaving mainly the intra-ethnic ravages of each other.
    The developed nations have more and more developed charities and causes and cancellations of the worst miseries of others: Doctors Without Borders, Heifer, Smile Train, Oxfam . . . . the list is almost endless and most of them send me return address stickers along with their solicitations to the extent that I've put them all into a book that's 3" thick already. Even 75 years ago there were far fewer charities, far fewer aware of the needs being at least partly provided for.
    What we've been cleaning up (called "Superfund Sites") were once the "dump-it" repositories of all kinds of caustics and carcinogens and just crap. We've wised up and are cleaning up. Paper mills used to pour their liquid effluents into rivers to the gag-level and can no longer do so, whether there were lobbyists of the industry pressuring government not to impose pollution legislation or not.
    Automobiles used to get 15 mpg and lucky to last much over 100,000 miles. Look what we have now and are on the threshold of a whole new "generation" of technology providing. Hybrids already providing 3 times the l960s fuel economy and lasting who knows how long. And we've just begun with cars and the materials that might make them life-long possessions updated with the newest electronics and even suspension modules -- but on and in the essential "house" paradigm that anything as complex and luxurious as modern cars should be the equivalent of. We don't have our houses demolished when we need a new furnace or the roof needs replacing.
    People used to die at average upper 60s (men) and mid-70s (women) when I was a kid. Now we're in extra-innings of lifespan during which we're generally kept comfortable and cared for even if we've got some disease or other. The miracles of medicine have alleviated suffering even of those afflicted (so to speak). And how close we seem to be to "self-specific tissue and organ transplants" structured from some synthesis of matrix and the patient's own DNA.
    As someone wrote herein, little brown kids are being blown up, yes. And petro-resources are being to some extent still exploitatively extracted from some foreign lands. But It's by terrorists that the murders and massacres are primarily committed. Not by the "Industry" or its governmental arm and armament (Republicans). It's so much more their own killing them. And the proceeds from petro have benefitted the populace (though, of course, detri-proportionate to the enrichment of the ruling class. But one should read "All The Shaw's Men" to realize the difference from then -- how far we've come to now -- for them.
    From the beginning of recorded history it seems there've been constant persecutions, expulsions, wars, even genocides. Want a good ancient historical perspective to compare the present with? Read the Old Testament. And since those godly days of "slay every man, boy, and beast and woman who has lain with man but the girl children keep for yourselves . . . ." (look it up or "thread it" and I'll provide the book/verse reference -- I'm too comfortable to get up at the moment). Then there were the wars of the Mediterranean empires with their slaughters and absurdities (elephants over the Alps?!?!?). Then all Europe like a kaleidoscopic chaos of castles and kingdoms all slaughtering each other. The 30 Years' War. War of the Roses. Cromwell in there somewhere who wasn't really attuned to any "proto-Geneva Convention" protocols. And then Revolutionary and Civil and WW I and II and Korea and 'Nam . . . . . and now you look around (spherically) and see skirmishes taking place here and there.
    Jewish? Not that what's going on even in upper-echelon U. S. academia isn't possibly ominous. But really look back (endless WEB information and charts and time-lines) at Jewish history. You've actually never had it better. But again, not that it couldn't revert to much worse. That Jewish people here and elsewhere are being attacked is unconscionable, is cowardly. Whatever whoever is so enraged over that may arguably be unconscionable retaliatory action vs. Palestinians is not being committed by even Orthodox college Jews or shopkeepers here or anywhere. Here or wherever, even if the viewpoint is Zionist, ideas should not be attacked other than by ideas -- for the ideas aren't injuries as are actual weapons (and threats of recurrant Holocaust).
    So much better in so many ways now. The very universe at our fingertips or mouse-click. Internet interface with each other, with high science, with high sources of information and also inhalation. Internet porn almost beyond the scope of imaginable combinations and permutations and perbinations and computations and other concatenations of connectivities (far beyond confinement -- though inclusive thereof -- to organic appurtenances).
    But as well via such as U Tube there are performances of everything from fully staged opera to astounding rock shows and individual performers and groups and ensembles and symphonies and more. How short a time ago we had but AM radio and black and white TV that went into the catatonia of "test pattern" after 9 o'clock or so.
    Read back through U. S. history to see if the present political "dys-climate and disquiet" is worse than sectarian strife that used to be. Just one example, the past "problem of immigrants" resulting in the "Know Nothing" party and the parties of thugs pummeling those of different nationalities and ethnicities and especially race. Read the history of New York City ("Gotham", edited and written in part by Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes).
    Vehicular pollution? How much worse when the vehicles were horse-drawn and the emissions were liquid and solid (and, yes, inclusive of but not piling up by -- gaseous) produced by the horses. Some thousands in NYC, some tons/1000s of gallons per day . . . plus the corpses of worked-to-death horses that would sometimes be rotting for a few days before removal to the nearby rendering plants from which the effluents of stench and matter permeated the surroundings.

    There's a lot that needs to be done. Fixed. Equalized. Revolutionized in terms of energy usage and social entitlements and pollution -- and preparation. One of the "threaders" used the term "la-la-land" concerning our population. How true. We're floating on a bubble of self-inflation of the expectation of continuance of what's, at this point, so much better than it ever has been. But we're absolutely and totally unprepared for any setback.
    But that's for another weekend's dissertation from me, hopefully stirring commentary and even controversy, consternation, and I'll allow condemnation by others. That's what this site is for. That even ideational extremes have the complete liberty (liberal-ty) of expression.
    In how many places in the world, even now, is there this open a forum without any fear of reprisal from the government?
    And we're (any of us) bent out of shape because of mere legislative and regulatory and economic contentions? Even gridlock?
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    alongcameaschneider Wrote: I enjoy reading all the controversy and consternation and complication of what's so simply the complexity of the way it all . . . WORKS .
    Some time ago I wrote on this -- but long enough ago that this isn't really a "repeat". It's a reiteration that we, especially we liberals who encompass more than a dogma and agenda (and $ as bottom-line limen) . . .should keep in mind.
    Compared to the way things used to be, "ya gotta admit it's gotten better".
    Sure, there's inequality globally and even domestically. But the atrocities of the colonial age have ended, leaving mainly the intra-ethnic ravages of each other.
    The developed nations have more and more developed charities and causes and cancellations of the worst miseries of others: Doctors Without Borders, Heifer, Smile Train, Oxfam . . . . the list is almost endless and most of them send me return address stickers along with their solicitations to the extent that I've put them all into a book that's 3" thick already. Even 75 years ago there were far fewer charities, far fewer aware of the needs being at least partly provided for.
    What we've been cleaning up (called "Superfund Sites") were once the "dump-it" repositories of all kinds of caustics and carcinogens and just crap. We've wised up and are cleaning up. Paper mills used to pour their liquid effluents into rivers to the gag-level and can no longer do so, whether there were lobbyists of the industry pressuring government not to impose pollution legislation or not.
    Automobiles used to get 15 mpg and lucky to last much over 100,000 miles. Look what we have now and are on the threshold of a whole new "generation" of technology providing. Hybrids already providing 3 times the l960s fuel economy and lasting who knows how long. And we've just begun with cars and the materials that might make them life-long possessions updated with the newest electronics and even suspension modules -- but on and in the essential "house" paradigm that anything as complex and luxurious as modern cars should be the equivalent of. We don't have our houses demolished when we need a new furnace or the roof needs replacing.
    People used to die at average upper 60s (men) and mid-70s (women) when I was a kid. Now we're in extra-innings of lifespan during which we're generally kept comfortable and cared for even if we've got some disease or other. The miracles of medicine have alleviated suffering even of those afflicted (so to speak). And how close we seem to be to "self-specific tissue and organ transplants" structured from some synthesis of matrix and the patient's own DNA.
    As someone wrote herein, little brown kids are being blown up, yes. And petro-resources are being to some extent still exploitatively extracted from some foreign lands. But It's by terrorists that the murders and massacres are primarily committed. Not by the "Industry" or its governmental arm and armament (Republicans). It's so much more their own killing them. And the proceeds from petro have benefitted the populace (though, of course, detri-proportionate to the enrichment of the ruling class. But one should read "All The Shaw's Men" to realize the difference from then -- how far we've come to now -- for them.
    From the beginning of recorded history it seems there've been constant persecutions, expulsions, wars, even genocides. Want a good ancient historical perspective to compare the present with? Read the Old Testament. And since those godly days of "slay every man, boy, and beast and woman who has lain with man but the girl children keep for yourselves . . . ." (look it up or "thread it" and I'll provide the book/verse reference -- I'm too comfortable to get up at the moment). Then there were the wars of the Mediterranean empires with their slaughters and absurdities (elephants over the Alps?!?!?). Then all Europe like a kaleidoscopic chaos of castles and kingdoms all slaughtering each other. The 30 Years' War. War of the Roses. Cromwell in there somewhere who wasn't really attuned to any "proto-Geneva Convention" protocols. And then Revolutionary and Civil and WW I and II and Korea and 'Nam . . . . . and now you look around (spherically) and see skirmishes taking place here and there.
    Jewish? Not that what's going on even in upper-echelon U. S. academia isn't possibly ominous. But really look back (endless WEB information and charts and time-lines) at Jewish history. You've actually never had it better. But again, not that it couldn't revert to much worse. That Jewish people here and elsewhere are being attacked is unconscionable, is cowardly. Whatever whoever is so enraged over that may arguably be unconscionable retaliatory action vs. Palestinians is not being committed by even Orthodox college Jews or shopkeepers here or anywhere. Here or wherever, even if the viewpoint is Zionist, ideas should not be attacked other than by ideas -- for the ideas aren't injuries as are actual weapons (and threats of recurrant Holocaust).
    So much better in so many ways now. The very universe at our fingertips or mouse-click. Internet interface with each other, with high science, with high sources of information and also inhalation. Internet porn almost beyond the scope of imaginable combinations and permutations and perbinations and computations and other concatenations of connectivities (far beyond confinement -- though inclusive thereof -- to organic appurtenances).
    But as well via such as U Tube there are performances of everything from fully staged opera to astounding rock shows and individual performers and groups and ensembles and symphonies and more. How short a time ago we had but AM radio and black and white TV that went into the catatonia of "test pattern" after 9 o'clock or so.
    Read back through U. S. history to see if the present political "dys-climate and disquiet" is worse than sectarian strife that used to be. Just one example, the past "problem of immigrants" resulting in the "Know Nothing" party and the parties of thugs pummeling those of different nationalities and ethnicities and especially race. Read the history of New York City ("Gotham", edited and written in part by Mike Wallace of 60 Minutes).
    Vehicular pollution? How much worse when the vehicles were horse-drawn and the emissions were liquid and solid (and, yes, inclusive of but not piling up by -- gaseous) produced by the horses. Some thousands in NYC, some tons/1000s of gallons per day . . . plus the corpses of worked-to-death horses that would sometimes be rotting for a few days before removal to the nearby rendering plants from which the effluents of stench and matter permeated the surroundings.

    There's a lot that needs to be done. Fixed. Equalized. Revolutionized in terms of energy usage and social entitlements and pollution -- and preparation. One of the "threaders" used the term "la-la-land" concerning our population. How true. We're floating on a bubble of self-inflation of the expectation of continuance of what's, at this point, so much better than it ever has been. But we're absolutely and totally unprepared for any setback.
    But that's for another weekend's dissertation from me, hopefully stirring commentary and even controversy, consternation, and I'll allow condemnation by others. That's what this site is for. That even ideational extremes have the complete liberty (liberal-ty) of expression.
    In how many places in the world, even now, is there this open a forum without any fear of reprisal from the government?
    And we're (any of us) bent out of shape because of mere legislative and regulatory and economic contentions? Even gridlock?

    Schneider, great piece; I never can write like you for sure; but sorry to say that only AMC lives in la la land, certainly not you.!! Thanks!!
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    Listening to some of the talking head on the Sunday panel News Shows I was struck by the fact that China has 16 years before they will begin to start reducing toxic emissions while the USA is pretty much effective now, the other two nations India being one of them are not part of the pact, this should include all or none, it only takes one nation, one industry to foul the air, why wait 16 years from now and why not include all of the top polluting countries to sign. The air does not stay in one place, it moves globally ,but these learned men know that, right? And no it's not a good start when all polluting nations are not included.