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Mexico, Caos and Corruption

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  • Center Left
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    This story has been going on for a long while. I'll edit and correct a few details later. In Mexico (our neighbor to the south, on the illegal immigrant highway) had about 43 college age students come up missing. No clues, not a trace. After protests, police reports and much speculation.... it was determined that the (Corrupt) local police turned the students over to a local drug gang. The gang killed them all, burnt their bodies in a dump, and through the charred remains into a river. This just goes to show how little control there is in Mexico. I traveled there a year ago but stayed at the resort, except for a short walk.
    If you ask me, I would send in the military to round up the drug gang (although they are probably paying the politicians), jail them, send them to court, and try to regain control of the country. Mexico has several resort destinations. They probably bring in over a billion dollars each year in tourism. I think anyone should consider how unstable the place is. And you can't count on the authorities to watch your back

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/doliaestevez/2014/11/03/abduction-of-43-students-exposes-mexicos-narco-corruption-2/

    click on top right corner of web page to continue to the site.
  • Liberal
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    In 1998 I was in Cuerna Vaca, Mexico where a huge Military base sits. The Zetas would hang signs over bridges to the Miltary...that Read..." When you get tired of eating Top Ramen Noodles join the Zetas 500.00 a week".
    In Mexico, 500.00 a week is alot of money. The Government is the cartel. They say " Plata or Plumo"..." Silver or lead" before bribing politicians.
    You either take it or die.

    I'll never forget my first time in Mexico City. People starving in the streets.....thousands begging out side the most beautiful Gothic Churched I've ever seen. The Catholic Church doesn't say much in Mexico about the Cartels; for them.....Mexico is sewed up. There are no competitors to Catholocism in Mexico.

    I saw people receive money from tourists and turn around and put that money into huge cement donation boxes that had brass slats where you put the money....That Brass was shiny. Mexico will not change or even come close until the Catholic Church is run out right along side the Cartels. And I'm not sure which one is more harmful to the people.....Cartel shoots bullets, the church shoots bull crap.
  • Center Left
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    The Ex-Mayor and his wife are said to be very close with the cartel. They were in hiding but have been found and I believe they are under arrest. 3 members from the drug gang have also been arrested. Citizens and family members of the victims are really pissed off. They have been protesting and burnt the front of a city building. They say that in southern Mexico it's common for people to be taken/kidnapped and to this day a large number of people are still missing. Sounds like a third world country. Is this Mexico or Madagascar ?
  • Liberal
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    Also...the protestors have already been warned by the Cartel. They pray to the Patron Saint MAL VERDE
  • Independent
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: In 1998 I was in Cuerna Vaca, Mexico where a huge Military base sits. The Zetas would hang signs over bridges to the Miltary...that Read..." When you get tired of eating Top Ramen Noodles join the Zetas 500.00 a week".
    In Mexico, 500.00 a week is alot of money. The Government is the cartel. They say " Plata or Plumo"..." Silver or lead" before bribing politicians.
    You either take it or die.

    I'll never forget my first time in Mexico City. People starving in the streets.....thousands begging out side the most beautiful Gothic Churched I've ever seen. The Catholic Church doesn't say much in Mexico about the Cartels; for them.....Mexico is sewed up. There are no competitors to Catholocism in Mexico.

    I saw people receive money from tourists and turn around and put that money into huge cement donation boxes that had brass slats where you put the money....That Brass was shiny. Mexico will not change or even come close until the Catholic Church is run out right along side the Cartels. And I'm not sure which one is more harmful to the people.....Cartel shoots bullets, the church shoots bull crap.
    Yes L.A. that is how it works; it looks a bit like in the 13th century when slaves built the first Catholic cathedrals wich were later on were plastered with the gold stolen from the Inca's and Maya's. They have not changed much; churches are parasites; just selling snake oil to make tax free money.
  • Center Left
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    I just read that tourism to Acapulco is being effected because tourists don't feel safe anymore. That equals money and money is what matters.

    I'm surprised there isn't yet a story in the News and Opinion section...... After all we do have a story about dangling window washers. The Mexico story involves many young people being killed and corruption.........
  • Liberal
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    I'm my younger days, a long, long time ago, I used to spend every winter traveling around Mexico and Central America but no more. It's way too dangerous and just not worth it!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Tony Johnson Wrote: I just read that tourism to Acapulco is being effected because tourists don't feel safe anymore. That equals money and money is what matters.

    I'm surprised there isn't yet a story in the News and Opinion section...... After all we do have a story about dangling window washers. The Mexico story involves many young people being killed and corruption.........
    I just added a few articles explaining the current crisis and the overall problems that Mexico is facing. Thanks for making me aware that we didn't have any on the site.

    What's going on in Mexico is a direct result of America's 'War on Drugs.' The American policy on drugs has wreaked havoc on Mexico for many years, but our media is woefully silent when it comes to holding our leaders accountable for their role in Mexico's problems. These cartels are so powerful that the Mexican national government is terrified of them.

    These cartels get most of their weaponry from the United States. Up to 70 percent of their weapons are smuggled in to Mexico after being purchased legally here in the United States. The cartels hire mules to go purchase guns legally and then smuggle them across the border into Mexico. So, not only are our policies responsible for the terrorism Mexico encounters on a daily basis, our 2nd Amendment is also responsible for the vast majority of the guns these same cartels use to terrorize Mexican citizens. USA! USA!
  • Center Left
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    And now we have Colorado, and Washington selling high quality product. Just a drop in the bucket I know. We've added Oregon, Alaska, and D.C. However by 2016 there could be as many as 10 or 11 more states. What we've learned from stories out of Colorado, people from neighboring states are doing road trips to legally buy high quality product. Bringing it home is not legal but I'm betting that many are taking their chances.

    It makes me wonder if the US suddenly has much high quality marijuana...... will this piss off the cartels ? Will there be violence or trouble in any way ?
    You'd expect that Law Enforcement would protect legal businesses and legal transactions but if a punitive strike was made...... I would bet most would be caught by surprise.

    These cartels sound like serious business - I can't imagine living under those conditions.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Tony Johnson Wrote:
    It makes me wonder if the US suddenly has much high quality marijuana...... will this piss off the cartels ? Will there be violence or trouble in any way ?
    You'd expect that Law Enforcement would protect legal businesses and legal transactions but if a punitive strike was made...... I would bet most would be caught by surprise.
    The whole point of voting to make marijuana legal is to get the cartels out of the business in those states. Most users will gladly buy marijuana legally instead of having to buy it illegally from a drug dealer on the street. The drug cartels can kick and scream as much as they want. Legal marijuana in America will make them obsolete.

    I was recently in Seattle shortly before Oregon voted to make marijuana legal and I went to one of the legal stores just to see how it all works. I have no problem obtaining marijuana in Oregon, but I was interested to see how it all worked in Washington now that it is legal there. You know what? I found myself among the most diverse group of individuals I've ever seen. The line consisted of Caucasians, African-Americans, Hispanics, Indians, you name it. Noticeably rich and noticeably poor. It was a genuinely diverse group of people who just wanted to exercise their right to make their own decisions.

    You don't see that conglomerate of individuals at a local bar you go grab a drink at. Most bars are geared towards a specific group: college students, bikers, blacks, Hispanics, yuppies, etc. Nor do you see that conglomerate of people hanging out at a local park. But you do see that conglomerate of people standing in line to buy legal marijuana. You know why? They what to follow the law and not have to be dependent on some guy they know who they have to meet on a dark corner to get a plant.
  • Democrat
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    Oh, how we forget to take notice how the business community evolves. Those nice, neat and little stores selling marijuana legally today will not always be in nice, neat stretches of businesses. Now comes the pay day loan businesses, because people will need "quick" cash to purchase their marijuana. Than there will be drug assistance clinics advertising help for users that become strung out and resort to seeking help. Also, don't forget the 7-11"s and Quick Trips with the "munchies", because the users will heavily desire the chips, Cheetos and hot-links to curb their drug induced appetites. Those nice neat, and little marijuana stores will give way for adjacent stores that nobody really likes in their neighborhood.

    Oh, and those drug cartels and selling of illegal drugs, they will be ever so present, because as smart businessmen/women, they know you'll be wanting something with more of kick. They will be waiting for your approach and you will know who they are. Some things just never change. Legalizing marijuana does nothing to stopping illegal drugs in America. I agree that it provides a method of those who wish to invest in a lucrative business, but nobody cares about the cost to humanity. Just for the opportunity to get your fix and make a buck, that's all.

    As far as Mexico goes, they couldn't be happier with America legalizing marijuana. Mexico will be glad to ship marijuana to American stores, along with meth, heroin, opium, crack or any other fashionable drug that America desires. Just think of all the happy Mexican children American's will save with giving them an opportunity to farm marijuana and ship it to America legally. Amazing how supply and demand economics work. Mexico's more corrupt problem is learning how to pay off the Police and local government, they want their share of profits, legal or not.
  • Liberal
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    AMC.


    A pound of mexican marijuana would run you about 275.00 ... Garbage

    A pound of some indoor chronic OG KUSH- 2400.00 SATIVA-1400

    No sir,

    The Cartels do not want the legalization of drugs. California makes some of the best weed globally

    That's right sir.....made in the USA......damn, you got me craving a fatty... and after that a large shake from 31 flavors and bugs bunny cartoons
  • Democrat
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    Again, I guess you have never had anything from Southeast Asia, that has some of the richest growing mountain areas in the world. Talk to some veterans that served there and they will enlighten you.
  • Liberal
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Again, I guess you have never had anything from Southeast Asia, that has some of the richest growing mountain areas in the world. Talk to some veterans that served there and they will enlighten you.
    This isn,t the 1960's. Thai stick can't hold water to indica. You smoke some "White Widow" and it'll have you believing your'e in Southeast Asia
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Again, I guess you have never had anything from Southeast Asia, that has some of the richest growing mountain areas in the world. Talk to some veterans that served there and they will enlighten you.
    I'm a bit surprised; how do you know that? Are you accusing our "hero's" of smoking and sniffing all that mountain grown stuff? Wow I guess the Army has more benefits than I thought, besides free luggage on planes and free plastic limbs and discount at Walmart.