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In preparation for Veterans Day lets keep this in mind

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  • Liberal
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    Another excelent exposé on how much Americans are brainwashed and made to fear any critism of the military! http://www.salon.com/2014/11/09/you_dont_protect_my_freedom_our_childish_insistence_on_calling_soldiers_heroes_deadens_real_democracy/
  • Liberal Democrat
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    pgr -- It's a good article. I have always cringed when media label soldiers and others in uniform with the blanket "hero" designation simply because of their chosen professions. Our trends towards hyper-patriotism insist that every soldier is a "hero" just for signing up.

    As the Salon article states: "The rhetorical sloppiness and intellectual shallowness of affixing such a reverent label to everyone in the military or law enforcement betrays a frightening cultural streak of nationalism, chauvinism, authoritarianism and totalitarianism, but it also makes honest and serious conversations necessary for the maintenance and enhancement of a fragile democracy nearly impossible."

    I agree.

    Another word that is overworked in the hyper-patriotic conservative vocabulary is "freedom".
  • Democrat
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    Six miles from Maastricht, in the Netherlands lies buried 8,301 American soldiers, who died in "Operation Market Garden", liberating Holland in 1944. Everyone buried, including Canadian and British have been adopted by Dutch families, who mind the grave sites keeping memories alive. Annually on "Liberty Day", memorial services the Dutch have a concert with the final piece, "II Silenzio", commissioned by the Dutch and celebrating Holland's liberation. Sounds much like America's day of Independence. I understand that this year a soloist was a 13 year old Dutch girl backed by Andre' Rieu and his orchestra (Royall Orchestra of Netherlands) was conducted the piece as taps to those that have fallen in war.

    http://www.flixxy.com/trumpet-solo-melissa-venema.htm

    As, we remember our fallen across the world, please reflect those that have served and those that are currently serving our Armed Forces. Include our allies around the world that seek similar values in humanity to preserve peace, liberty and the pursuit of justice. It's not about medals and ribbons, it's about heroic sacrifice and the oath of service to enlist in our Armed Forces.

    This week, thank a veteran and please approach all persons in uniform that protect our nation, police, fireman and especially our brothers and sisters that serve our great Nation.

    God Bless our America and God Bless our Veterans.
  • Liberal
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    That was then - this is now!
  • Democrat
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    pr Wrote: That was then - this is now!


    You would not have a "now" if it weren't for the "Then", if nothing else try and appreciate the sacrifice paid by many so that you can enjoy the freedom of unabashed criticism for those who made that very sacrifice.
  • Liberal
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    Smoke some chronic
  • Democrat
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    "Chronic"???
  • Liberal
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    pr Wrote: That was then - this is now!
    You would not have a "now" if it weren't for the "Then", if nothing else try and appreciate the sacrifice paid by many so that you can enjoy the freedom of unabashed criticism for those who made that very sacrifice.
    As usual, you have no concept of what we or the author is talking about! By suggesting that everyone/anyone who ever was in the military is/was a patriot or hero who should be honored is an affront to those that truly were.

    Just yesterday I saw a photo in the Boston newspaper of some hight school ROTC cadets. They were all very proud, smiling, wearing ther spiffy new uniforms and, of course, the article was all about "our future heroic patriotic military fighting men" They only problem is these are children most 15 or 16 years old at best, that are being brainwashed right before our eyes (as you were in - remember Viet Nam) about how heroic and honorable that are, will be when they get to join the war machine for real and go fight to protect our country. Of course, they never hear the truth about being nothing more than expendable cannon fodder for the military, totally expendable and easily replaceable when they are mentally and physically disabled, sent to fight meaningless wars for the military/industrial complex, forgotten when the come home by the very people who sent them to do their dirty work.

    At least we can all sleep soundly knowing there is always fresh fodder being created in the form of young, impressionable children. Better them than us, fer sure!!! PTL
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Six miles from Maastricht, in the Netherlands lies buried 8,301 American soldiers, who died in "Operation Market Garden", liberating Holland in 1944. Everyone buried, including Canadian and British have been adopted by Dutch families, who mind the grave sites keeping memories alive. Annually on "Liberty Day", memorial services the Dutch have a concert with the final piece, "II Silenzio", commissioned by the Dutch and celebrating Holland's liberation. Sounds much like America's day of Independence. I understand that this year a soloist was a 13 year old Dutch girl backed by Andre' Rieu and his orchestra (Royall Orchestra of Netherlands) was conducted the piece as taps to those that have fallen in war.

    http://www.flixxy.com/trumpet-solo-melissa-venema.htm

    As, we remember our fallen across the world, please reflect those that have served and those that are currently serving our Armed Forces. Include our allies around the world that seek similar values in humanity to preserve peace, liberty and the pursuit of justice. It's not about medals and ribbons, it's about heroic sacrifice and the oath of service to enlist in our Armed Forces.

    This week, thank a veteran and please approach all persons in uniform that protect our nation, police, fireman and especially our brothers and sisters that serve our great Nation.

    God Bless our America and God Bless our Veterans.
    As PGR said; That was then, this is now. Pls stop your stupidity; all wars we fought since WWII were a wasted effort; no whatever "god" would have "blessed" these wars; pls go and ask this "whatever god" of yours if "it" did approve of all of our invasions and killing in countries who never attacked us in the first place.

    The Dutch have no veterans day, but instead "rememberance day" for all the death of WWII; not Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq and the Bay of "pigs" (appropiate name) etc. All the flag waiving and "non-existing" blessings (what does that mean anyway, except hollow words) for hundreds of thousands peoples ruined life's and death is ridiculous; nothing "up there" creates "hero's or approves it to be it right, it is a poor excuse for doing the wrong things. Militarism is a curse; ask Hitler, don't glorify it.
  • Democrat
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    So your comment " that was then-not now" was in reference to what, if not for the sacrifice of those who died so that others may enjoy certain freedoms.
  • Independent
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    pr Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote:
    pr Wrote: That was then - this is now!
    You would not have a "now" if it weren't for the "Then", if nothing else try and appreciate the sacrifice paid by many so that you can enjoy the freedom of unabashed criticism for those who made that very sacrifice.
    As usual, you have no concept of what we or the author is talking about! By suggesting that everyone/anyone who ever was in the military is/was a patriot or hero who should be honored is an affront to those that truly were.

    Just yesterday I saw a photo in the Boston newspaper of some hight school ROTC cadets. They were all very proud, smiling, wearing ther spiffy new uniforms and, of course, the article was all about "our future heroic patriotic military fighting men" They only problem is these are children most 15 or 16 years old at best, that are being brainwashed right before our eyes (as you were in - remember Viet Nam) about how heroic and honorable that are, will be when they get to join the war machine for real and go fight to protect our country. Of course, they never hear the truth about being nothing more than expendable cannon fodder for the military, totally expendable and easily replaceable when they are mentally and physically disabled, sent to fight meaningless wars for the military/industrial complex, forgotten when the come home by the very people who sent them to do their dirty work.

    At least we can all sleep soundly knowing there is always fresh fodder being created in the form of young, impressionable children. Better them than us, fer sure!!! PTL
    PGR; absolutely right on. The militarism is horrible in this country; I wished they would put as much effort in other area's of our society instead; like helping other people who did not fight in useless wars, but have handicaps or are disabled one way or another. Why should they have less attention than indoctrinated robots?
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    johnnycee Wrote: So your comment " that was then-not now" was in reference to what, if not for the sacrifice of those who died so that others may enjoy certain freedoms.
    J.C. total B.S. what you wrote; Ok talk about the "now"; sure how many people did we kill in all those useless wars since WWII? Which of any of these countries attacked us? Example Iraq; are we now better of? Do we have now more freedoms? I guess not; just talking about life's wasted and money wasted, did this help our country to become a better example for the world? You must be kidding. If people make the wrong sacrifice then they made that choice; if you become a carpenter then it could happen that you saw your fingers off; a huge sacrifice, so I should start waving flags. Wow.
  • Democrat
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    All of us can remember the Oath of Enlistment (Enlisted) or the Oath of Office (Officer) that was conducted usually in a large group. You are standing at some resemblance of rank and attention in street clothes, suits or the smarter ones wore jeans and t-shirts, because you will be sending home in a box those clothes you wear to camp. At camp your issued new clothing and everything you need for the training regime. What a glorious day that was, a little scary or daunting for a few, but "I liked it".

    Oath of Enlistment (Enlisted):

    "I, _____________, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the Officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code Of Military Justice. So help me God."

    Oath of Office (Officers):

    "I, _____________ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the _____________ (Military Branch) of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of ____________ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God."

    Young men and women take these oaths each week and every year prior to entering our Armed Forces. The question is asked prior to these oaths, "Before you raise your right hand, make sure you understand what you are swearing or attesting to."

    Great hero's are borne on this day. Thank you for all that you give for our country and the world. May God Bless you and most all of America will remember the sacrifices on Veterans Day.

    God Bless America!
  • Liberal
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    AMC, you really should read the article before posting such tripe here!
  • Independent
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    "AMC" this is exaxtly what I mentioned way before; this enlistment endorsement, means you sell your mind and body to something which may not be honarable at all but just plain murder; you become a 'robot' who follows orders to kill women and kids as well their husbands who never did us harm in the first place. Hitler used the same methods; Heil Hitler!! Sorry but this country is rapidly moving in the same direction. Our involvement in Iraq and its escalation did not happen because of our "hero" attitude, killing hundresds of thousands which we never met or never hurt us. The results are clear.
    How could you "uberhaupt" consider killing of innocent people even in Gaza by our" friends" consider an "hero" act?
    Napalm innocent kids in Vietnam; chase people out of their homes because we like to throw bombs on them an "hero" act?. I guess you keep forgetting that the US is not alone in this world; it is only a tiny piece of stolen land with a big mouth who likes to dictate others on how to live or think.
    Certainly the "military" here is like PGR says only cannon fodder; they are not allowed to refuse orders, like you clearly stated. Neither did the soldiers who obeyed Hitler.