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Obama's Defiant Post-Election Conference Shows He's Not Going Anywhere

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Just as I had hoped, President Obama struck a defiant tone in his press conference this afternoon and said that he will not allow the Republican's to ride roughshod over him for the next two years. My favorite quote of the conference was when he said to everyone who voted, I want you to know that I hear you. To the two-thirds of voters who chose not to participate in the process yesterday, I hear you, too.” I couldn't have said it better myself.

    It was nice to hear him remind the nation that well over half of our country did not vote yesterday and he's not about to let Congress have its way on everything because they claim to have some artificial mandate. It was a reminder to Mitch McConnell and the incoming Republican Senate that he still has the power to stop them in their tracks if they try to push through whatever crazy legislation they want.

    Yesterday was not a mandate. That is unless you want to say that senior citizens have the right to dictate everything that goes on in this country. I feel a lot better after watching the President speak because he showed me that he has no problem being a check on the incoming Senate. As I said yesterday--this may be the best thing that has happened to us Democrats in a long time. Now we can remind the country just how extreme the Republican agenda is. They won't be able to hide behind their use of the filibuster and other delaying tactics. Now they will have to try to govern. That's going to be one hell of a fun show to watch and will only serve to galvanize Democrats heading into a much more favorable map in 2016.

    Did anyone else watch the President and Mitch McConnell speak today? Did you come away as excited as I was to finally see a President who is actually free to say whatever the heck he wants to now? Or are you still upset at yesterday's losses and not know what to think?
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    Mid-terms are the most difficult to garner interest/ turnout, this years mid-terms had a much better turnout overall then the last one, when Obama won in 2012 the GOP complained about the low voter turnout among the GOP voters and that is what cost them the election according to them, which to me means either you couldn't get your message out or you had a weak candidate , the same with this past election, the message was unclear to many voters, hell, the GOP didn't even have a message other than get them out, (The Dems) but it was a message and it was heard, the lies spewed by both sides almost cements the loss felt by the incumbents because they had to defend that lie which they didn't do very well, whether it was the IRS, the VA, The NSA ,the DNC just refused to confront the accuser's with facts but instead they appeared to just make light of the whatever scandal was on the news at the time with trite jingoes and feigned outrage, many of the voters stayed home because of the attitude of" What difference does it make", I know I took that statemwent out of context, but it sums up what I felt was the mind set some of the electorate, on both sides!
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    Make no Mistake. This 2014 election was "rigged" just as much as the election of 2000, -- when Geo "W" Bush (#43) was running against Al Gore, (the guy who exposed "global warming"). That year in 2000, the most important deciding votes were in Florida, where George "W"s brother Jeb Bush just happened to be the Governor. (How convenient). Amazing, "W"s own brother gets to announce the deciding vote for President of the United States. And all they have to do is "count the ballots" down there in Florida. But for some mysterious reason, Brother Jeb Bush & his staff are unable to count the ballots, so they keep on "stopping the ballot count" & making them do it all over again -- and over again --- etc.

    Finally, when it was obvious that nobody in the Jeb Bush state administration was capable of counting beyond 666 -- (the devil is in the details)..
    and a total ballot count in Florida was deemed utterly impossible, then the whole election had to be turned over to the Supreme Court, for the first time in United States History. (It's amazing how things just happen to fall into place for the Bush Family). I don't suppose it had anything to do with their Daddy being an ex-President and Head of the CIA. (Nope, of course not, that would lead to wild speculations of collaboration & rigging).

    So then the whole situation falls to Supreme Court Judges. Which just a few yrs earlier had been APPOINTED BY Daddy Bush, when HE was the (#41) President. Wow!! What a coincidence!! So Daddy Bush appointed the Judges who would DECIDE that Geo Jr. was somehow "elected POTUS". Now if this was a script for a Hollywood Movie, it would be rejected as being "too incredible" to be believed. But as you see, in Bush World, dreams really do come true: )

    FAST FORWARD to 2014 --- After the Koch Brothers have invested the world's biggest stash of cash in world history into a US election, it just so happens that their GOP candidates for the Senate and House, plus many GOP Governors ALL GET ELECTED. (Gee Whiz) --- I wonder why so many people who want good public schools & more jobs, & higher wages, and PEACE in the world, & who want to END POLLUTION & Corporate GREED, would vote so much "against" their true beliefs? -- OR, do you suppose there could be (gasp) "rigging" again? (Oh, NO). And keep watch on Jeb Bush, the one brother who helped rig the election of 2000, because good old "Jeb" has his eyes on the prize, & wants to see a BUSH DYNASTY in the Presidential Residence, the White House.

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    P.S. There are 2 more Bush brothers after Jeb --- who could always jump into the race --- brothers Neil and Marvin. Of course there is a small matter of qualifications. Brother Neil Bush (of Texas) was involved in looting money from the Silverado Savings and Loan. I don't know if he was ever put into the jail house for that or not. And brother Marvin was involved in "security" for some of the buildings that were crashed into by aircraft during 9/11. I don't know WHY so many tragedies & crimes seem to follow the Bush family. (Maybe divine retribution?) Also, brother Jeb was involved in rigging a small federal election in 2000, of a world super-power. (No big deal).

    Jeb also had a Latino wife from South America, who was caught smuggling foreign goods into a US airport. But she did not become a US citizen until a few yrs later. So we can't expect her to know all the detailed rules about import & export. Then there were rumors of a couple of arrests of their teenage children. But we can't expect teenage children to know the US rules, just because their Grandpa & their uncle were both Presidents.
    -----THIS IS THE FUTURE BUSH FAMILY DYNASTY.
  • Liberal
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    The bottom line is still the fact that the Dems refuse(d) to embrace and use Obama's achievements to their fullest, instead they put their tail between their legs and pretended they weren't Democrats, pissing off the real Dems and losing any Indepenents they might have gained. Why try to pretend you're a Republican when you're running as a Democrat?
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    eternal flame Wrote: Make no Mistake. This 2014 election was "rigged" just as much as the election of 2000, -- when Geo "W" Bush (#43) was running against Al Gore, (the guy who exposed "global warming"). That year in 2000, the most important deciding votes were in Florida, where George "W"s brother Jeb Bush just happened to be the Governor. (How convenient). Amazing, "W"s own brother gets to announce the deciding vote for President of the United States. And all they have to do is "count the ballots" down there in Florida. But for some mysterious reason, Brother Jeb Bush & his staff are unable to count the ballots, so they keep on "stopping the ballot count" & making them do it all over again -- and over again --- etc.

    Finally, when it was obvious that nobody in the Jeb Bush state administration was capable of counting beyond 666 -- (the devil is in the details)..
    and a total ballot count in Florida was deemed utterly impossible, then the whole election had to be turned over to the Supreme Court, for the first time in United States History. (It's amazing how things just happen to fall into place for the Bush Family). I don't suppose it had anything to do with their Daddy being an ex-President and Head of the CIA. (Nope, of course not, that would lead to wild speculations of collaboration & rigging).

    So then the whole situation falls to Supreme Court Judges. Which just a few yrs earlier had been APPOINTED BY Daddy Bush, when HE was the (#41) President. Wow!! What a coincidence!! So Daddy Bush appointed the Judges who would DECIDE that Geo Jr. was somehow "elected POTUS". Now if this was a script for a Hollywood Movie, it would be rejected as being "too incredible" to be believed. But as you see, in Bush World, dreams really do come true: )

    FAST FORWARD to 2014 --- After the Koch Brothers have invested the world's biggest stash of cash in world history into a US election, it just so happens that their GOP candidates for the Senate and House, plus many GOP Governors ALL GET ELECTED. (Gee Whiz) --- I wonder why so many people who want good public schools & more jobs, & higher wages, and PEACE in the world, & who want to END POLLUTION & Corporate GREED, would vote so much "against" their true beliefs? -- OR, do you suppose there could be (gasp) "rigging" again? (Oh, NO). And keep watch on Jeb Bush, the one brother who helped rig the election of 2000, because good old "Jeb" has his eyes on the prize, & wants to see a BUSH DYNASTY in the Presidential Residence, the White House.

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    P.S. There are 2 more Bush brothers after Jeb --- who could always jump into the race --- brothers Neil and Marvin. Of course there is a small matter of qualifications. Brother Neil Bush (of Texas) was involved in looting money from the Silverado Savings and Loan. I don't know if he was ever put into the jail house for that or not. And brother Marvin was involved in "security" for some of the buildings that were crashed into by aircraft during 9/11. I don't know WHY so many tragedies & crimes seem to follow the Bush family. (Maybe divine retribution?) Also, brother Jeb was involved in rigging a small federal election in 2000, of a world super-power. (No big deal).

    Jeb also had a Latino wife from South America, who was caught smuggling foreign goods into a US airport. But she did not become a US citizen until a few yrs later. So we can't expect her to know all the detailed rules about import & export. Then there were rumors of a couple of arrests of their teenage children. But we can't expect teenage children to know the US rules, just because their Grandpa & their uncle were both Presidents.
    -----THIS IS THE FUTURE BUSH FAMILY DYNASTY.
    "Eternal", yes the whole voting system is rigged here; as long as millions of dollars is involved in the election, then it is impossible to get an honest result. On top of that plenty of people here are "country dumb" Duck Dynasty types who barely can write let alone know anything about politics. Then on top of it we have the robber barons who dictate their clan to vote their way. I guess the best thing to do is start a mandatory voting school for un-educated people who just vote on whatever their parents or neighbor votes for without thinking. No this country will never get decent elected persons if the "money" is not removed from the elections and term limits are not implemented. Elections here are "bought"; this country is already "dictorial" and run by the 1%. Sick indeed. How is it possible that an FL Governor gets re-elected while he robbed sick patients of their money and became a billionair because of his criminal actions; he never got convicted because he also "bought" his way out of that. I guess he is not the only one!!!
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    johnnycee Wrote: Mid-terms are the most difficult to garner interest/ turnout, this years mid-terms had a much better turnout overall then the last one,
    This is not true. Voter turnout dropped by nearly four percentage points compared to 2010. Where are you getting information showing otherwise?

    johnnycee Wrote:when Obama won in 2012 the GOP complained about the low voter turnout among the GOP voters and that is what cost them the election according to them,
    This also is not remotely close to being true. The Republican base showed up in every state they were expected to show up in and had roughly the same turnout compared to every recent Presidential or midterm election.

    johnnycee Wrote:whether it was the IRS, the VA, The NSA ,the DNC just refused to confront the accuser's with facts but instead they appeared to just make light of the whatever scandal was on the news at the time
    You yourself participated in pushing these faux scandals on a daily basis on this very website. What in the world are you talking about when you say they didn't confront the accuser's with facts? You were the one pushing the Republican viewpoint on every single one of these 'scandals'! How in the world are you now lamenting the fact that the DNC didn't fight back enough?
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    You have chosen to debate just for the sake of debate, I have mentioned before that I am an election judge and I see the numbers, Mid-term elections are the most difficult to get the vote out, the Pa. Gov. lost the election because of the vote outside of Philadelphia and Pittsburg, these two cities are bastions of democratic rule, the GOP almost concede these two cities to the democrats, what got out the vote in those other counties ,most notable was Centre County a republican County, was the handling of the Penn State scandal, and that county voted not so much for the opposition but for their distaste of Gov. Corbett, so before we get into it ,again , let this be my last post /reply to you, feel free to post the last word on the subject as you always feel the need to do.
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    johnnycee Wrote: You have chosen to debate just for the sake of debate,I have mentioned before that I am an election judge and I see the numbers,
    I choose to debate because you consistently say things that are not accurate and someone has to call you out for the never ending falsehoods you churn out on a daily basis.

    This discussion is not about the local polling station you are an election judge at, nor is it about the state of Pennsylvania's voting habits. Although, I would point out that the numbers in your state also dropped by six percentage points from the last midterm election, specifically from 42.4 percent in 2010 down to 36.1 percent this year. I would have thought you were privy to these numbers considering the fact you are an election judge.

    For whatever reason, you brought this topic into a discussion about President Obama's press conference. I chose to inform our members that your numbers were wrong and provided them with a link to numbers directly contradicting your unfounded claim, which I will provide again HERE.

    And you have once again been able to throw an entire conversation off topic by introducing yet another red herring. The original posting was about Obama's and Mitch McConnell's press conferences yesterday. Feel free to start another thread about your expertise as an election judge if you would like, but how about we all get back to the actual topic?
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    I can't truly express how I feel about this overwhelming Defeat. I feel so sorry for President Obama, I have never seen a man more qualified and decent and honest, to be our honorable President & Democratic Leader. He is nearly PERFECT. In character, demeanor, education, a brilliant mind and an excellent speaker. And he has had to suffer such unspeakable character assassination by the Radical Right "sicko's" in this country.

    As you know, I have been writing on this forum for a couple of years (I don't know the exact time) & trying to educate people to what I KNOW to be the Truth -- that our American democracy is soon going to be destroyed by "right wing" factions in our midst, using every type of sabotage & rigging possible. Destroying American "democracy" (govt of the people, by the people, & for the people) has been their whole AGENDA for the past 56 years. I SAID they had infiltrated the GOP (Republican) Party, & were USING IT to achieve takeover of the whole US Govt. And the forces behind the JBS (Birch Society) have been Robt Welch (who studied Hitler, Stalin, Marx & Lenin, to name just a few) to learn all the methods and techniques that have been used by Fascist dictators (for centuries) to subvert govts & create a totalitarian society.

    Welch says in his BLUE BOOK (Birch Society Manual) that he "does not believe in Democracy, & he tells the LIE that our Founders did not intend for America to be a Democracy --- which I have proved FALSE, for the last several decades, due to very extensive research. I have wasted millions of hours of my youth studying, to COMBAT the Birch Society (which is now called the TEA PARTY) & all its offshoots including the KKK, the Radical Right Wing, their strange brand of "Birch" RELIGION, which teaches to abandon old people & others, but get involved in Politics so you can screw all the disadvantaged people & ADULATE the RICH and GREEDY, & CORRUPT. (Which would make Jesus feel very sad, or maybe even really angry, to think he was crucified on the cross, just so the "slimey" filthy hypocritical perverted "fake Christians" could take over our churches and use our radio waves to twist & distort true Christian teachings, to make people "worship" money & LIARS, & traitors to their country.

    I have worn myself out to physical and mental exhaustion (for YEARS) trying to make people understand that we are surrounded with many very powerful men and money machines, & foreign infiltrators, & Propaganda Experts, who spend all day & night trying to brain-wash our US people to believe the most hideous slander & most incredible LIES, so as to manipulate the VOTES, so as to put lying greedy corrupt people into power, so as to totally destroy our Democracy. THAT WAS ALWAYS their ADMITTED AGENDA, since 1958.

    I don't understand why people do NOT respond in any meaningful way. Do they think I "make this stuff up?" When I'm talking about the JBS (John Birch Society), do they think it is "imaginary"? When I quote word after word from the BLUE BOOK, which is the Members Manual for the JBS, printed since 1958. It used to be a "secret" book for members only, in a "secret" society. For many years, it was that way. But NOW it is fairly open, & it has literally "morphed" into the TEA PARTY. Now you can BUY a copy of the Blue Book on Amazon. You might find it af a garage sale, or an antique book store. Inside that book tells Robt Welch's ideology & his agenda. To STOP the United Nations, to STOP the Democratic Party --- which he called "communist" -- since the way to takeover a nation you must "destroy" its real govt, & its leaders. If you can do it by propaganda, & insidious slander & by convincing the "stupid" sectors of the electorate that Democrats are "evil" -- then you can easily takeover a govt, & gradually enslave the people. Especially if you infiltrate "religion" to spread your filthy lying propaganda. So the JBS began very early, to infiltrate CHURCHES, especially Jerry Falwell types, to spread Birch lies, right out of the pulpit.

    Hitler just waltzed in with his Gestapo, arrested people with Police State brutality, and threw people into prison camps & gulags, & crematoriums. Our modern right-wing Nazi "masters" use years of brain-washing radio (such as Rushty Limberger) who has been on the radio for 30 years, non-stop. Big Corporate leaders heavily finance him (he gets $millions of dollars per year, just to tell right-wing slander & LIES to force people to Hate Democrats, & to VOTE Republican. Millions of people adore Rushbo & can't wait to call him up & say, "Hi Rush, I am a "ditto head" ---which means they no longer think for themself, but just repeat mindlessly, like a parrot, anything that jerk says.

    I have known a few Birchers in person, & one spent a whole night with suitcases of JBS literature, trying to recruit me. One used to send me tons of their literature by mail, & I avidly studied it. Not because I wanted to join, but to gather evidence that they were trying to subvert our govt here in America. The FIRST REAL CLUE is when Robt Welch, the JBS founder & leader, says that the US is NOT a Democracy, and since I never flunked "American Govt" in high school, -- I KNEW that was a total hideous LIE. Then they said Prez Eisenhower was a Communist, & since Ike had been a real hero which helped us win World War II, I knew THAT was a LIE, and it became obvious to me, that the only people they could get to join JBS were probably not well-educated, or were gullible, or senile. SO AT FIRST, I thought they could NOT SUCCEED in spreading this bullshit all over America & really get a majority of the people to BELIEVE IT !! I began to Relax & tell myself that NO WAY would they ever convince a MAJORITY of Americans to VOTE for this perverted propaganda, & thus undermine our beautiful democracy.

    Well, the last 3 days have SHOWN ME, that the American people have exhibited a huge amount of stupidity & senility & insanity there is in this country ----- OR, the vast millionaire money-machine has been able to BUY off & Rig our total Electoral System, & totally pervert Justice.

    Make NO Mistake. This Election has been successfully "rigged" by the "enemies" of this nation, the "enemies" of Democracy & of Freedom and
    anything good, or kind or charitable. The JBS alias Tea Party, (or conservatives, or right-wing Fascists) have taken-over, by hook or by crook. And once they have seized control, they will quickly dismantle all semblance of our Founders Dream. We the People will have no amount of control anymore, our fascist leaders will not listen to a word we say, anymore than if we were dogs in a kennel.

    Bye Bye Democracy!! Bye Bye Statue of Liberty!! Bye Bye American Dream!! Bye Bye Truth Justice & the American Way.

    Just to refresh your memory, on the JBS (Birch) National Council, was Fred C. Koch ---- who had OIL contracts in Soviet Russia with Joseph Stalin (Communist dictator of Russia)--- & soon afterward, Fred Koch came back to USA (Kansas) to start up his OWN millionaire oil business, Immediately getting very active in American politics (with JBS) to begin subverting our US govt. Hmmm Very interesting, that Koch had very active relationship with Stalin (Communist leader) & then comes right back to US to get involved in John Birch Society, which has agenda to "takeover" the US govt and totally subvert & destroy Democracy. Wow!! Another strange "coincidence" ? Then-- it gets even better.

    Old Fred Koch has 4 sons, two of which are David & Charles KOCH (known as the Koch Brothers): And they are also members of the John Birch Society, and actively involved in Republican politics. They inherited incredible wealth from their Dad, which they don't mind spending HUGE amounts of it to screw up American elections, to make sure that Democrats do not win. Do you begin to see the "picture" here? The father is friendly with Communist leader Stalin (Russia) & comes back to US to be in the Birch Society, to subvert our democracy.

    Of course the JBS has been active since 1958, using all techniques to brain-wash American citizens with pure baloney. They have gained several million active Birch members, they have Rushbo on the radio 24/7 for 30 years, they have several TV channels, magazines, leaders in industry & commerce (on JBS council) -- so they are gradually winning the hearts and minds of the American people. And NOW when so many people are hideously brain-washed (& simultaneously forbidden to listen to any "mainstream" media, cuz God forbid they should ever hear the TRUTH). Even when it is obvious that the "clown circus" of Right Wing politics are full of buffoons & idiots, who would have to flunk any possible test of LOGIC or FACTS --- and they would never appeal to any well-educated person of integrity -- so we got very complacent thinking that those idiots could never really get elected to any high office. WRONG. Look at the 2014 election results. The whole nation has had a huge sweeping RED TIDE, of a Republican Landslide of Votes. (In the old days people used to say "Better Dead than Red").

    So, to get to the Point: Why did NOBODY LISTEN? Why did I sit here for hundreds & thousands of HOURS & DAYS & WEEKS trying to WARN people that this was a REAL THREAT to our Nation, our Govt and to DEMOCRACY ITSELF --- & I got NOBODY TO UNDERSTAND??

    I had the PROOF, and I told the Facts over & over again --- FOR YEARS. Well --- Is it finally beginning to SINK IN?

    In the JBS, they had leaders who were active Communist infiltrators of our Govt, & they recruited millions of our fellow Americans into their
    organization & have worked (undercover) for FIFTY-SIX Years. Subverting our electoral system & politics & destroying our Economy. Well, you can SEE our Economy is bankrupt. We are living on phoney money printed by our Treasury Dept, & every bit of real money has been stolen & sent over to Swiss Bank Accts (by our lovely GOP, so they can avoid taxes, (which is a federal crime). They cannot give us money to build bridges or fix the hi-ways, or create jobs, because they have STOLEN the money for all that stuff. The Swiss Banks are FULL of our US money that GOP have stolen & have no intention of giving it back. INTERNATIONAL syndicated THIEVES in our US Congress & our Corporate Leaders.

    What would a dedicated Communist do to this country? They would BANKRUPT it. They would take away the jobs & security of the American people, and brain-wash them to hate their own real government. They would subvert religion to have even the source of Faith of the people giving the same message as the evil infiltrator. They would BRIBE officials in high places, & own hundreds of Propaganda factories. To spread total LIES to the People, to keep them brain-washed & controllable -- until they are actually working FOR the "enemy". They would weaken the voice of the people, gradually take away their rights. Scare the people with fascist Police tactics, like Ferguson MO. Another example of Police brutality, was the OCCUPY movement (peaceful protestors against crooks in Wall Street). Police beat them, maced them with chemical sprays, arrested them, dragged them by the hair, & burned all their personal possessions. This was done to innocent peaceful citizens, using their Constitutional rights to protest a grievance, (like the fact we had major criminals in our financial systems). NOTE: this is NOT the way Law Enforcement should behave in a Democracy. They acted exactly like a NAZI Fascist POLICE STATE. (A very bad sign for us all).

    Looking at the immense Wreckage of our recent Election, which portends nothing but gradual LOSS of our ordinary freedoms, & very soon, if not immediately, they will take away any Right to VOTE at all, -- because Voting is a privilege ONLY in a Democracy. And do not forget that the Birch Society does NOT BELIEVE in Democracy. Neither does the GOP (Repubs), or the Tea Party, -- once they "take off their Masks."

    And I almost forgot, that JFK and his brother RFK were both murdered by the right wing, (Birch Society) -- 2 idealistic Democrats running for President, were both gunned down by a mysterious "foreigner" without any real motive, & the evidence was botched or lost, & there is a great deal of evidence to prove that actually Birch Society contacts were involved. (JBS = GOP). Including that the pamphlets printed that day in Dallas were paid for by a Birch Society operative. The pamphlet that said "JFK was WANTED FOR TREASON" (with a mugshot photo of JFK).

    And the book & video's I showed you from Claire Conner, (her father was on the Birch Society National Council) & she lived in a house where they had Birch meetings 6 nights a week. She was a member at age 13, & tells how even her Catholic priest was a JBS member. She met the founder/leader of JBS (Robt Welch) himself, & she met Revilo Oliver (on JBS council) who founded the neo-Nazi movement in America. She saw what went on in the JBS from its beginning. How the Catholic church was against abortion, but JBS members would not feed orphan children, or have any kind of compassion for the Poor. (Which is exactly the opposite of the teachings of Jesus Christ).

    She wrote a great Book in 2013, which tells all her personal experiences raised in a Birch leadership family. She gradually fell away from JBS teachings, & became a teacher. She is the most honest person & tries her best to warn us that the TEA PARTY is "just the same old Birch Society" come back to life. I don't know her at all personally, but I do recommend her book. "Wrapped in the Flag" by Claire Conner (2013), Beacon Press. ;It has multiple indexes & references, so you can easily look up anything specifically you want. It's a great book.
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    Yes Eternal; most Americans have no idea what is going on behind their backs; sorry to say, even if I'm positive about certain things, I'm certainly negative about the politics in this country. It is not only the Birchers, Koch brothers etc. The biggest danger is the militarism coupled with religion.
    Indeed the only difference is that here they've not learned the "goose" step yet; but saluting the flag etc. has got a lot commonality with, you know what. On TV a huge discussion about who shot Bin Laden took place; very important indeed!! Why don't they analyse why 9/11 and Bin Laden came into being?
    They can hopefully learn then something from on how our foreign policies corrupt the world and its leaders. Militarism and our wrong views of the world will be our undoing; no church or politician can talk that straight. To tell you the thruth, a lot of people here would love to have the North Korea model, so they can dictate the people what to do and think, as well have beautiful parades and lots of flags.
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    Hello Dutch: Enjoyed your 2 posts tonight. Do you think that maybe it is the "stupidity" of many of our citizens? That they WANT a kind of govt that will make them prisoners, & take away their rights? Have they never seen Nazi movies, to see what lies ahead, if we do not have some kind of battle to get rid of the criminal "propaganda" specialists, we now have on talk radio nearly 24 hrs a day? To those who really pay attention, or do their own research, the whole Election is a NIGHTMARE. I am not at all sure, if we could ever free ourselves again.

    On top of all the things said above: the GOP, alias Birch Society, alias TEA PARTY has a desire to dismantle our "safety net" which means to take away all our Social Security for our senior citizens, take away Medicare for the elderly, and to take away any "welfare" for middle class women & their children. They have already taken away "sane" textbooks for our public schools, wanting to use instead textbooks that brain-wash our kids to believe totally false ideology. Like they must teach our kids that "global warming" is not real. They also want to teach "creationism" instead of the concept of Evolution, which is accepted science, everywhere else on the planet.

    Because of Bircher influence in the schools, we now have "gun shootings" going on extremely often in the schoolyards. Probably since the NRA is part of the Birch - GOP - TEA PARTY - Duck Dynasty - crowd. (The NRA exists only to sell guns & ammo -- good old capitalism at work: )

    So here I will probably "feed into" the old NRA mania, -- but HEY, if you are a Senior Citizen, and the GOP/Birchers are going to take away your Medicare and your Social Security Income (which you sacrificed & paid into your whole life, thru payroll deductions) and they will leave you alone, homeless, without a home or food or shelter, & no healthcare in your old age: My advice: --- GRANNY GET YOUR GUN.