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Voters Overwhelmingly Say 'Yes' to Marijuana in Alaska, Oregon, and D.C.

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    In one bright spot from last nights election--marijuana legalization measures passed in Alaska, Oregon, and D.C.! It's a big breath of fresh air to see the people choosing common sense over fear. I have to say I'm quite proud of my fellow Oregonians for voting to increase tax revenues for our schools and other important initiatives; directing cops to focus on real issues and not bothering people for possessing a plant; and declaring once and for all that you have the right to choose whether or not you want to ingest a plant.

    Marijuana legalization is one of those rare things that's truly bipartisan. As more and more states move to enact their own laws on marijuana, I foresee a day very soon where we won't be debating this topic anymore. What someone decides to put in their body is not the governments business and I am rather happy that my fellow Oregonians overwhelmingly agree with me.

    Washington, D.C.'s legalization measure still has to be approved by Congress, which will be an uphill climb. It will be quite interesting to see how Congress reacts to the will of the people it is supposedly beholden to. Will they let fear prevail or will they let the people of D.C., through the democratic process, decide what is best for them?

    The next stop has to be the Federal Government stepping it up and taking Marijuana off the Schedule I list. Marijuana is not the same as heroin and worse for you than cocaine and crystal meth, which are Schedule II drugs. This is mindbogglingly frustrating for me. How in the world have we gotten to a point where marijuana is considered more harmful to a body than crystal meth?! This has to change and only we can force that change.
  • Center Left
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    I am encouraged by last nights votes to legalize. I had heard last night about DC and Oregon but I didn't hear about Alaska until your post. What I think is most important is that it's been widely used for at least 50 years. All that time, cartels and people breaking the law were the only ones making a profit. With the current standards in Colorado, testing is being done to ensure there are no pesticides, and also no mold or bacteria. If we can put thousands of people who are distributing this stuff and abusing our borders - out of business....that would be great.
  • Center Left
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    Certainly a bright spot of the elections. 4 down. 46 to go.
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    Organized crime will not be defeated and they really don't care, but are most likely thrilled that America is legalizing marijuana. While legalizing the "New" drug the drug cartels and many other criminal organizations that profit from the use of illegal drugs they know that users (marijuana) will gravitate toward those drugs that are not legal, such as opium, heroin, cocaine, crack, meth, amphetamines, barbiturates or heck, just a damn drug store of illegal drugs.

    I am not saying that marijuana users will escalate to more thrills of illegal drugs, but we have statistics that show with marijuana there is the curse of desire in a harder drug. Those statistics are from the law authorities, such as FBI and DEA, but that is also related to the illicit illegal drugs distributed with marijuana. Just by taking marijuana out of the illegal drug supply does not mean people will not want more and more stronger doses of a drug. This illegal drug trade will continue and will most likely spike upwards because more people will turn to other drugs while smoking marijuana and say, "Here, try this!" to each other. Marijuana is just another method to entice people into more drugs.

    How is America going to regulate the strength or THC component of marijuana? Agricultural scientists and amateur growers of marijuana have successful produced high content THC way beyond what was sold when I was a teenager. Do we care how strong marijuana is on the market? Is the FDA going to inspect the marijuana for additives, such as what tobacco industries have done for decades to keep smokers addicted to tobacco? Did you realize that there is medical references on marijuana addiction, just like most other drugs?

    I believe America has a lot to learn for what they voted for in making marijuana legal. I liken the vote as opening Pandora's Box and in the not so distant future our nation will reflect on the damage it has done to itself. I try to live life at it's best and not escape it, so that is my prime reason of not desiring marijuana. I'll repeat myself........Marijuana, don't want it, don't need it, and I will not vote for it! I love life the way it is and it's rich blessings that God has bestowed to all of us.


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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Organized crime will not be defeated and they really don't care, but are most likely thrilled that America is legalizing marijuana. While legalizing the "New" drug the drug cartels and many other criminal organizations that profit from the use of illegal drugs they know that users (marijuana) will gravitate toward those drugs that are not legal, such as opium, heroin, cocaine, crack, meth, amphetamines, barbiturates or heck, just a damn drug store of illegal drugs.

    I am not saying that marijuana users will escalate to more thrills of illegal drugs, but we have statistics that show with marijuana there is the curse of desire in a harder drug. Those statistics are from the law authorities, such as FBI and DEA, but that is also related to the illicit illegal drugs distributed with marijuana. Just by taking marijuana out of the illegal drug supply does not mean people will not want more and more stronger doses of a drug. This illegal drug trade will continue and will most likely spike upwards because more people will turn to other drugs while smoking marijuana and say, "Here, try this!" to each other. Marijuana is just another method to entice people into more drugs.

    How is America going to regulate the strength or THC component of marijuana? Agricultural scientists and amateur growers of marijuana have successful produced high content THC way beyond what was sold when I was a teenager. Do we care how strong marijuana is on the market? Is the FDA going to inspect the marijuana for additives, such as what tobacco industries have done for decades to keep smokers addicted to tobacco? Did you realize that there is medical references on marijuana addiction, just like most other drugs?

    I believe America has a lot to learn for what they voted for in making marijuana legal. I liken the vote as opening Pandora's Box and in the not so distant future our nation will reflect on the damage it has done to itself. I try to live life at it's best and not escape it, so that is my prime reason of not desiring marijuana. I'll repeat myself........Marijuana, don't want it, don't need it, and I will not vote for it! I love life the way it is and it's rich blessings that God has bestowed to all of us.
    You sound just like the alcohol prohibition supporters back in the 20's.. That was almost 100 years ago.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Organized crime will not be defeated and they really don't care, but are most likely thrilled that America is legalizing marijuana. While legalizing the "New" drug the drug cartels and many other criminal organizations that profit from the use of illegal drugs they know that users (marijuana) will gravitate toward those drugs that are not legal, such as opium, heroin, cocaine, crack, meth, amphetamines, barbiturates or heck, just a damn drug store of illegal drugs.

    I am not saying that marijuana users will escalate to more thrills of illegal drugs, but we have statistics that show with marijuana there is the curse of desire in a harder drug. Those statistics are from the law authorities, such as FBI and DEA, but that is also related to the illicit illegal drugs distributed with marijuana. Just by taking marijuana out of the illegal drug supply does not mean people will not want more and more stronger doses of a drug. This illegal drug trade will continue and will most likely spike upwards because more people will turn to other drugs while smoking marijuana and say, "Here, try this!" to each other. Marijuana is just another method to entice people into more drugs.

    How is America going to regulate the strength or THC component of marijuana? Agricultural scientists and amateur growers of marijuana have successful produced high content THC way beyond what was sold when I was a teenager. Do we care how strong marijuana is on the market? Is the FDA going to inspect the marijuana for additives, such as what tobacco industries have done for decades to keep smokers addicted to tobacco? Did you realize that there is medical references on marijuana addiction, just like most other drugs?

    I believe America has a lot to learn for what they voted for in making marijuana legal. I liken the vote as opening Pandora's Box and in the not so distant future our nation will reflect on the damage it has done to itself. I try to live life at it's best and not escape it, so that is my prime reason of not desiring marijuana. I'll repeat myself........Marijuana, don't want it, don't need it, and I will not vote for it! I love life the way it is and it's rich blessings that God has bestowed to all of us.


    You are just so wrong. There are huge numbers of persons who use marijuana with no curiosity or inclination about trying anything else. Stop all of the 1962 stereotypes, it makes you sound like you just watched an educational movie that was very much not factual. You keep talking about something that you just don't know about (except the crazed horse story). You should be somewhat embarrassed to be speaking so inaccurately about this topic. I know that you (as always) think that you have all of the answers. You don't even fully understand the questions. So stop it. You're making yourself look foolish.

    Do you know how the govt. got a lot of the 1930 gangsters ? Tax Evasion. Dealers selling non-regulated supplies will be guilty of Tax Evasion and buyers will be getting a lesser product.
  • Center Left
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    TJ Wrote: Stop all of the 1962 stereotypes, it makes you sound like you just watched an educational movie that was very much not factual.
    Refer Madness!! What an insane piece of propaganda that was.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: You are just so wrong. There are huge numbers of persons who use marijuana with no curiosity or inclination about trying anything else. Stop all of the 1962 stereotypes, it makes you sound like you just watched an educational movie that was very much not factual. You keep talking about something that you just don't know about (except the crazed horse story). You should be somewhat embarrassed to be speaking so inaccurately about this topic. I know that you (as always) think that you have all of the answers. You don't even fully understand the questions. So stop it. You're making yourself look foolish.

    Do you know how the govt. got a lot of the 1930 gangsters ? Tax Evasion. Dealers selling non-regulated supplies will be guilty of Tax Evasion and buyers will be getting a lesser product.
    I one hundred percent agree with you Tony, but there are millions of citizens in this country who continue to believe the 'evil weed' stereotypes that our Government has been shoving down their throats since this whole 'War on Drugs' started. Nixon started it and Reagan injected steroids into it. What better way to divide and conquer a population than declare a war on them?

    AMC, I'm sorry, but you are just entirely misguided in your assumptions. The whole point of legalizing marijuana is to get the drug cartels OUT! What better way to make them obsolete than decriminalize and legalize something that they had a monopoly on? As Stephen stated earlier--are you aware of what happened the last time we conducted an experiment on criminalizing something millions of people do? It didn't turn out too well...

    You also seem to contradict yourself over and over again. You say you don't care what people do with their bodies, but you don't want it to be legal. How are these people supposed to be able to choose what to do with their bodies if they can't do it legally?
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    This to me is just a side issue to be exploited by the Media, even though the Weed is now legal in a few states plus the DC, you still can't leave the State where you purchased the weed without the possibility of being prosecuted in another State where it isn't legal and also the Banking and Credit card industries can not process the purchase of the product and also the depositing of the proceeds in banks because of the various Narcotic Laws( Federal level ) is prohibited, so yes , 46 more to go, but it would make much more sense to push harder on the Federal level to allow for the legalization of the Weed, 46 states , how long will that take without federal push behind it, 20 years maybe?
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    johnnycee Wrote: This to me is just a side issue to be exploited by the Media,
    It's not a side issue to the people who are serving prison sentences for being in possession of a plant; the people who don't want to be harassed, searched, and arrested by cops who would rather spend their time going after nonviolent 'criminals' than actually doing their job of shooting, whoops, I mean protecting, the citizens they are tasked with protecting; the people who can't stand the hypocrisy of liquor, a drug that kills tens of thousands of people a year, being legal, but a drug that kills literally zero people per year being classified on the same level as heroin; and the people who just want to be left alone to make their own damn decisions when it comes to what they want to do with their own bodies.

    johnnycee Wrote:even though the Weed is now legal in a few states plus the DC, you still can't leave the State where you purchased the weed without the possibility of being prosecuted in another State where it isn't legal
    That may change very soon now that it's legal in both Oregon and Washington. That is unless you envision state police participating in a high speed chase going after someone taking marijuana from one state where it's legal into another state where it's legal. That would be a very wise use of police resources...

    And spoiler alert--the Washington police don't care anyway. There are marijuana stores just across the border in Washington. Anyone in Oregon who doesn't know how to get marijuana under the table right now can take a trip across the bridge and legally purchase marijuana. Even with their out of state license.

    johnnycee Wrote:and also the Banking and Credit card industries can not process the purchase of the product and also the depositing of the proceeds in banks because of the various Narcotic Laws( Federal level ) is prohibited
    You're about ten months too late with this one. The Justice Department gave banks the green light to work with legal marijuana sellers in a Valentines Day directive. Maybe they were just feeling the love that day. Who knows?

    johnnycee Wrote:so yes , 46 more to go, but it would make much more sense to push harder on the Federal level to allow for the legalization of the Weed
    We finally agree on something. Let's first take it off of Schedule I. Marijuana is now classified as more harmful than cocaine and crystal meth, which are Schedule II drugs. You have to admit that's batshit crazy, right? Please at least admit that's batshit crazy...

    Then, once we get it taken off of Schedule I, we have to force the Federal Government to move on decriminalizing marijuana nationwide. That is different than legalization. After the Federal Government removes it from Schedule I, each individual state should then be able to decide if they want to tax a plant that has been the number one cash crop in America every year since 2006. Seriously--it generates more money than corn does each year. If a state doesn't want to tax that then I say have at it. All the power to ya, but you can't arrest your citizens and throw them in jail for it.

    Regardless of your personal opinion on the matter, the people should be able to decide this issue, not a Federal Government who has used this 'War on Drugs' to imprison millions of nonviolent 'criminals' for the past 40 years.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote:
    johnnycee Wrote: This to me is just a side issue to be exploited by the Media,
    It's not a side issue to the people who are serving prison sentences for being in possession of a plant; the people who don't want to be harassed, searched, and arrested by cops who would rather spend their time going after nonviolent 'criminals' than actually doing their job of protecting the citizens they are tasked with protecting; the people who can't stand the hypocrisy of liquor, a drug that kills tens of thousands of people a year, being legal, but a drug that kills literally zero people per year being classified on the same level as heroin; and the people who just want to be left alone to make their own damn decisions when it comes to what they want to do with their own bodies.

    johnnycee Wrote:even though the Weed is now legal in a few states plus the DC, you still can't leave the State where you purchased the weed without the possibility of being prosecuted in another State where it isn't legal
    That may change very soon now that it's legal in both Oregon and Washington. That is unless you envision state police participating in a high speed chase going after someone taking marijuana from one state where it's legal into another state where it's legal. That would be a very wise use of police resources...

    johnnycee Wrote:and also the Banking and Credit card industries can not process the purchase of the product and also the depositing of the proceeds in banks because of the various Narcotic Laws( Federal level ) is prohibited
    You're about ten months too late with this one. The Justice Department gave banks the green light to work with legal marijuana sellers in a Valentines Day directive. Maybe they were just feeling the love that day. Who knows?

    johnnycee Wrote:so yes , 46 more to go, but it would make much more sense to push harder on the Federal level to allow for the legalization of the Weed
    We finally agree on something. Let's first take it off of Schedule I. Marijuana is now classified as more harmful than cocaine and crystal meth, which are Schedule II drugs. You have to admit that's batshit crazy, right? Please at least admit that's batshit crazy...

    Then, once we get it taken off of Schedule I, we have to force the Federal Government to move on decriminalizing marijuana nationwide. That is different than legalization. After the Federal Government removes it from Schedule I, each individual state should then be able to decide if they want to tax a plant that has been the number one cash crop in America every year since 2006. Seriously--it generates more money than corn does each year. If a state doesn't want to tax that then I say have at it. All the power to ya, but you can't arrest your citizens and throw them in jail for it.

    Regardless of your personal opinion on the matter, the people should be able to decide this issue, not a Federal Government who has used this 'War on Drugs' to imprison millions of nonviolent 'criminals' for the past 40 years.
    My reference to a side issue was not about those imprisoned for related drug charges, but the manner in which this is issue is discussed, as far the banking industry and the credit card, you might be speaking of turning a blind eye or at least looking at it from a different angle, but the Federal Narcotics laws are still on the books, as a matter of fact there was a show on cable that was directly related to this issue ,a grower could not bank his money,not openly anyway, and when he did bank it, it was in in small deposits in a couple of different banks to avoid the laws regarding deposits of $10,000 or more, he also has to hoard the money ,since it's a cash only purchase which places him in a high risk factor of being robbed. My personal opinion on this matter is of no concern, if I was still on the job, I would still arrest those who posses or sell or distribute drugs up until the law was changed, opinions wouldn't matter. The only way to get a united policy on this is at the Federal level, who are also elected by the people , for the people, etc.
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    johnnycee Wrote: My reference to a side issue was not about those imprisoned for related drug charges,
    Yes, because we should be locking up people and throwing away the key for nonviolent offences. And while we're at it, why don't we let child molesters off the hook because our prisons are too full with nonviolent 'criminals'? That's what is happening in this country right now and it's absolutely sickening.

    johnnycee Wrote:as far the banking industry and the credit card, you might be speaking of turning a blind eye or at least looking at it from a different angle, but the Federal Narcotics laws are still on the books, as a matter of fact there was a show on cable that was directly related to this issue ,a grower could not bank his money,not openly anyway, and when he did bank it, it was in in small deposits in a couple of different banks to avoid the laws regarding deposits of $10,000 or more, he also has to hoard the money ,since it's a cash only purchase which places him in a high risk factor of being robbed.
    There are 105 different banking institutions working with legal marijuana companies in both Washington and Colorado. These banks range from the big boys to the local community bank, so I'm not entirely sure what you you watched 'on cable,' or when you watched it, but that person must not know what the hell they are supposed to do. The Justice Department isn't going after them anymore and this grower you are so concerned about has plenty of banks who are more than happy to deal with them. Pun intended.

    johnnycee Wrote:My personal opinion on this matter is of no concern, if I was still on the job, I would still arrest those who posses or sell or distribute drugs up until the law was changed, opinions wouldn't matter.
    Spoken like a police officer who truly cares about the people he is serving. Those nonviolent 'criminals' are such a bane on our society. We should just lock them up and throw away the key. Pun also intended.
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    Where are you going with this rant of yours, I posted that the issue of states legalizing marijuana is but a side issue considering all of the things that will be on the plate for this new congress, and the media is only to happy to continue this non-issue, to me it is a not such a big deal to legalize weed in 4 out 50 states if you still have to find as way to circumvent the federal law to bring your weed home, perhaps proof of medicinal weed as opposed to recreational use should be discussed as a way to avoid prosecution while the various debates on the legalization of marijuana go forth, I will not be an advocate of legalization except for medicinal use.
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    Pandora"s Box Opened:

    I searched on marijuana addiction after someone reminded me about "reefer madness". I loved that movie, great enjoyment and laughed a lot. However, there is some seriousness that many of you are overlooking. Search "Marijuana Addiction", if you dare and you will locate many links on what decades of research has concluded.

    http://www.addictions.com/marijuana/

    This identifies long-term use and than doing an abrupt stop can have the user exhibit withdrawal symptoms both physical and psychological.

    http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

    The above link is from the National Institute on Drug Abuse and no this not like "reefer madness".

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addict...

    This link shows where psychologist around the world has accomplished decades of research on marijuana and it's effects. I think they actually used real human test subjects and not just lab rats.

    Oh! for some of you needing real Help..........Call 800-654-0987. This is the national hotline for drug abuse and it includes a counselor for you to speak on Marijuana.

    As you may make fun and ridicule about me on this issue legalizing marijuana, you will eventually be speaking to a professional one day. I definitely am not a professional in this area of drug use, but I am very capable of exercising a call for everyone to be careful.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Pandora"s Box Opened:

    I searched on marijuana addiction after someone reminded me about "reefer madness". I loved that movie, great enjoyment and laughed a lot. However, there is some seriousness that many of you are overlooking. Search "Marijuana Addiction", if you dare and you will locate many links on what decades of research has concluded.

    http://www.addictions.com/marijuana/

    This identifies long-term use and than doing an abrupt stop can have the user exhibit withdrawal symptoms both physical and psychological.

    http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

    The above link is from the National Institute on Drug Abuse and no this not like "reefer madness".

    http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-teenage-mind/201012/is-marijuana-addict...

    This link shows where psychologist around the world has accomplished decades of research on marijuana and it's effects. I think they actually used real human test subjects and not just lab rats.

    Oh! for some of you needing real Help..........Call 800-654-0987. This is the national hotline for drug abuse and it includes a counselor for you to speak on Marijuana.

    As you may make fun and ridicule about me on this issue legalizing marijuana, you will eventually be speaking to a professional one day. I definitely am not a professional in this area of drug use, but I am very capable of exercising a call for everyone to be careful.
    Would you like the links that show how hamburgers, lattes and lottery tickets are addicting as well?? Human beings can get addicted to absolutely anything.