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DUI (pot) arrests have increased recently

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  • Democrat
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    As I am not surprised and this legislation is fairly new, police authorities are receiving extra training to conduct legal arrests of drivers under the influence of marijuana.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/legal-pot/detox-network-sees-pot-duis-spike-co...

    I searched on the following subject line and found a variety of links referencing this issue. "Colorado DUI after legalizing Marijuana" and another is where you would substitute Washington for Colorado.

    Apparently Colorado has seen DUI (Pot) has doubled. Clearly there are records now accumulating that this new legalization is a threat to public safety. I assume as the police get wiser and the public continues to use this drug as becoming legal, there will be more news stories surface in the near future. The major news networks are monitoring this change in society allowing a new drug to corner the market. I bet more lawyers are waiting for the big lawsuit on a person DUI (pot) injures or "kills" another on the road. I realize that alcohol has the same reaction, but what makes marijuana different is America is making it legal for consumption, just like alcohol. Just another drug to get impaired and loose control. I guess the new number now is 5ngms as the limit in THC as compared to .08 in alcohol. Better know what your smoking before you set out to drive.

    I really don't have to comment on much more than what has already been written above. I'll let the natural order of civil disobedience add the color in future stories. It's similar as in the Biblical story in Kings, where people desired Kings above and beyond what God desired. So, God let them have Kings..........and history is recorded as a very cruel period in social circles. You all want marijuana, you may have marijuana and you will experience the pitfalls of having more drugs into your life. It's a natural thing you cannot prevent, as an example of trying to tame a river..it never works for long. Rivers go where they want to go.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    It's treated just like alcohol. It is illegal to drive under the influence of pot and the people caught doing so are punished. I'm not sure what point you are trying to make here. Alcohol is still 4 times more likely to be in the bloodstream of a dead driver than weed.

    And also, most of all this is expected. When something that has been illegal becomes legal, then there is a surge is use until the novelty wears off and things dip back down to normal. The people who are getting arrested for this have likely been smokers for years and drove under the influence before anyway, the only difference is that they don't feel inclined to hide that fact anymore.

    Outlawing drugs like weed lead to far more deaths and injuries than making it legal. Smugglers bringing in into the country, dealers protecting turf, black market robberies, police raids and so on.

    In order to convince me that weed should be illegal, you need to A.) Explain why informed, consenting adults should not be allowed to control what they can and can't put into their body; B.) Demonstrate that it infringes upon the rights of another human being and/or C.) Demonstrate how responsible use of the drug is a threat to public safety. (DUI is already illegal, as it should be)
  • Democrat
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    Zach, my only intentions to advertise recent headlines on legalizing marijuana was to show that the news media is monitoring the police authorities arresting DUI (POT) and that ongoing research is still continuing on the merits or benefits of marijuana in our society. I can try to answer your questions with my "Personal" answers.

    A: I have no issue with consenting adults desiring to consume marijuana.
    B: Any infringement of rights to consuming marijuana is only an effect of it's legalization, which I again have no issue with the public, if that is what they desire to vote for. I respect the vote and it's outcomes, even when I disagree like yesterday's Republican gains. I see no infringement of rights unless I am pressured by society to partake in something I disagree with. This is my "Personal" feelings and nobody has the right to force me to do anything, I care not indulging.
    C: Is marijuana a threat to public safety. I did not say that, but only added that comment which was in the NBCNEWS link I had on my earlier post. Apparently, studies continue after legalization are indicating a growing concern to marijuana as being a public threat. I did not make this up. Although, I can reasonably see it as true statement, but I'll leave the evidence to the increasing statistics on DUI's, car wrecks, and people being killed as a result of under the influence. I leave the statistics to the statisticians and drug research that is being ramped up, especially after legalization.

    No, I believe America has an issue with use of marijuana, but it has the same problems with other drugs, both legal and illegal. That is people over medicate and misuse drugs thus there is the potential for public safety and a threat to our nation. I cannot successfully argue on the merits of marijuana, but I can voice my opinion that I don't need it, I don't want it, nor will I ever vote for it. It's simple for me, even though I see some beneficial qualities for marijuana. I just don't envision a quality improvement to humanity as a result of legalizing another drug into our crazy world. In allot of ways I envy those cultures, such as in the Middle East or in Monastery, where people live an austere life without any drug to alter their lifestyle. They live simply without indulging into excessive drinking and mind altering influences. Yes,, some do wine and beer, but they abstain from misuse. Than there are those that do not allow any alcohol or smoke to touch their bodies, thus keeping with God's command in keeping the body as a sacred temple.

    Don't get me wrong, I acknowledge people's desire for legalizing marijuana, I just will not approve of it. My choice, my vote! I have seen enough of drugs in lifestyles my whole life time that I shake my head in disapproval of another crazy drug for people to consume.
  • Center Left
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    I had a bad auto accident last night because of a drug that I take. Not what you think AMC, I don't do that. The drug that caused me to lose control was Insulin. A low blood sugar can be very dangerous (type 1 insulin dependent). I don't currently use any illegal substances and I don't drink. As far as marijuana DUI's, I think it's a good idea. I am not against use but I think it should be at home or perhaps in your tent if you're camping (far away from others). But not before or while driving. Or at a friends house if they have a guest BR or an extra sofa.
  • Democrat
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    Tony, that's fair enough, if only other people would use accordingly as you intend, but that is not what is going to happen. We just opened Pandora's Box and will begin evaluating future exhibits of social decay. Enjoy marijuana as you desire, but please be careful of the things that overwhelm your senses and contribute to loss of control. The body is not as strong as you would like it and things go on inside you do not realize, thus you stretch the boundary of control and health when consuming any drug. Marijuana is a drug and will always be a drug, because if it was a vitamin or a food necessity, we probably wouldn't be talking about it.
  • Center Left
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    If you read my post it clearly says that I do not use. Not that I haven't and not that I won't in future.... For the last several months though I have not.
  • Liberal
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    AMC, come on get real "I envy those cultures, such as in the Middle East or in Monastery, where people live an austere life without any drug to alter their lifestyle. They live simply without indulging into excessive drinking and mind altering influences. Yes,, some do wine and beer, but they abstain from misuse. Than there are those that do not allow any alcohol or smoke to touch their bodies, thus keeping with God's command in keeping the body as a sacred temple." do you really believe this? The Mormons also are teetotalers but they are also closet drunks and sex fiends behind closed doors. Do you really believe Muslims don't drink alcohol or do drugs??? What about Jews - they seem to eat a lot of pork fried rice at their favorite Chinese restaurants.
  • Democrat
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    PGR, We all can easily locate where people abuse their should have and should not's. That is not the point. I'm aware that there are real examples of those who do the things you speak about. I'm not discussing Mormons, because like any religion most all fall short in some way. Those that have a clean life even the ones I indicated earlier that I admire, I'm sure they have a moment of relapse on something, maybe fermented Yak milk. But you have to admit, their innards are probably cleaner than both of us. True Islamic practice shows no alcohol may touch their lips, but the same time many of them are lopping off heads, which I consider hurts my head to think about it.
  • Democrat
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    I wonder where the next bio-chemist/engineer will come forward with a device for the police to immediately determine under the influence of marijuana. As I read some links on the subject, it appears police require a blood test, which is hard to get from someone without a warrant. Than again how long the THC content of the marijuana stays in the body, I don't know. But, I do know that employers that perform drug screening for new hires and sensitive positions in their employment, marijuana can remain in the system for months. Look up hair sampling along with the blood and urine screening and you will find marijuana and other drugs stay in the system for a long time.

    The next billionaire will be the individual that markets the portable marijuana screening test. If the driver that receives a guilty verdict for DUI for POT, will he/she have to blow in a tube to get the vehicle started for a year, as part of probation? That is done for alcohol DUI, so maybe the genius that creates the portable THC screen test will also make the blow-in-the-tube gadget. If you got a DUI for both alcohol and marijuana do you blow in TWO tubes?

    I'm having a lot of fun with this creativity.
  • Center Left
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    Why don't you spend some time doing something useful like raking your damned leaves. Quit (doing as you always do) telling people how to live their lives. Being more like you is nobodies goal.
  • Democrat
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    Isn't that what you are doing, Tony? You want everybody to live like you do. I'm sorry, but I have the freedom to exercise my lifestyle as much as I want. After all I'm probably twice your age and experienced more in the world to have a background in seeing what new culture is cultivating in society. Just wait till your my age and the same young'n will do similar to you as you do to me. It's called, "what goes around, comes around" or just no respect for the knowledge of elders. We seen the calamity and experienced the challenges, your just beginning to have an experience.

    I have administered to many youth and continue to do so today. Most of them have a bounty of success and families to nurture and I do on occasion meet them in pubic. We are all glad to see each other after so many years.

    The only reason I attempt to champion a dialog on marijuana is that too many people believe it is the greatest thing since slice bread and this belief is so far from the truth. Many do not realize or comprehend it's a drug, and they fall prey to impacting their lives as a result of continued use. By the time they recognize they should not have indulged so much in this drug and wasted their lives, it is often too late. I have seen for several decades where they smoke to feel the rush of their head appearing to lift off. Their body gets a rush so much dependent on the quality of the marijuana that all of their senses tingle. It's like that movie where Chevy Chase, yells out, "I like it". Science has much to spend on the subject because they have accomplished the research and that Buzz or rush you feel, do you ever think just what causes that feeling. There definitely is something going on, which should be a clue to any educated person that you had better check it out before it contributes to damage. As psychiatry reports there is damage done on prolonged use of marijuana. So, why do we need it? Medical reasons, I can live with that, but recreational use, I see danger ahead. Get it, danger 'A" Head".
  • Center Left
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Isn't that what you are doing, Tony? You want everybody to live like you do. I'm sorry, but I have the freedom to exercise my lifestyle as much as I want. After all I'm probably twice your age and experienced more in the world to have a background in seeing what new culture is cultivating in society. Just wait till your my age and the same young'n will do similar to you as you do to me. It's called, "what goes around, comes around" or just no respect for the knowledge of elders. We seen the calamity and experienced the challenges, your just beginning to have an experience.

    I have administered to many youth and continue to do so today. Most of them have a bounty of success and families to nurture and I do on occasion meet them in pubic. We are all glad to see each other after so many years.

    The only reason I attempt to champion a dialog on marijuana is that too many people believe it is the greatest thing since slice bread and this belief is so far from the truth. Many do not realize or comprehend it's a drug, and they fall prey to impacting their lives as a result of continued use. By the time they recognize they should not have indulged so much in this drug and wasted their lives, it is often too late. I have seen for several decades where they smoke to feel the rush of their head appearing to lift off. Their body gets a rush so much dependent on the quality of the marijuana that all of their senses tingle. It's like that movie where Chevy Chase, yells out, "I like it". Science has much to spend on the subject because they have accomplished the research and that Buzz or rush you feel, do you ever think just what causes that feeling. There definitely is something going on, which should be a clue to any educated person that you had better check it out before it contributes to damage. As psychiatry reports there is damage done on prolonged use of marijuana. So, why do we need it? Medical reasons, I can live with that, but recreational use, I see danger ahead. Get it, danger 'A" Head".
    I know you don't want to 'devolve' the conversation of pot into comparing it to other substances. But I really am curious as to where you stand on other potentially harmful, fully legal drugs/substances out there now. All of these pose scientifically proven risks of psychical addiction, elevated risks directly correlated to getting a terminal or debilitating disease because of extended and/or prolonged use, and are overall 'unhealthy' if used in a prolonged, every day type manner:

    Caffeine (sodas, coffee, tea, etc)
    Sugar (damn near every single processed food out there)
    Nicotine (cigars, cigarettes, e-cigs, patches, gum, etc)
    Alcohol
    Pain meds (over the counter, or not)
    Prescription drugs

    Where does pot fall, in respect to this list? Can you rank them? I would like to see in all seriousness where it would rank for you. Also, again in all seriousness, since our nation is facing an obesity epidemic right now, with diabetes on the rise everywhere, we are by and large having a serious problem with ingesting too much sugar in this society. Would you vote to ban sugar, if you could? I'm not trying to bait you, I am actually quite curious. And if not, why is that any different than marijuana, if prolonged and extended sugar consumption has been proven to result in diabetes, blood level and blood flow problems, brain issues, addiction, dependency cravings, cancer.. the list goes on for a while. Those are all much worse (or at minimum the same) that any scientific paper can say about marijuana.

    How about this? If you can prove that marijuana is worse for you to use recreationally or even in a prolonged manner (either/or, your choice) than sugar, I will concede to you that your point holds merit. Any research result link that you provide, be sure that I will read as I am highly curious.
  • Center Left
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    sbf,
    I am soooooo not on AMC's side. I believe he's talking a lot about that which he does not know. I have to correct you on something though. Too much sugar does not lead to or cause Diabetes. I've been diabetic for about 27 years so I know. Too much sugar can cause you to gain weight and increased weight can lead to type 2 diabetes (Non-insulin dependent) But that can usually go away if they lose some weight. Type 1 diabetes (insulin dependent) is caused when your Pancreas stops working/making insulin.

    AMC,
    If you're twice my age that would put you at a ripe 106. I may not be as old as you but I'm not in my 20's, 30's, or 40's. You can loose as much sleep as you like over this marijuana issue but it's here to stay and society is going to be just fine. As I stated in an earlier post.... 11 more states are going to possibly vote for legalization in 2016. If that happens....... how long do you think it will be before many more states follow on this path ? I think many people will want to also have this freedom. I believe that many states will want the funds from the taxes, reduced police chasing non-violent persons (said to be criminals), and much less money spent on long jail terms and much less congestion in our courts.

    sbf asked you a legitimate set of questions. Answer them and provide good sources for the information. Don't just preach - back up your statements with facts.
  • Center Left
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    TJ Wrote: sbf,
    I have to correct you on something though. Too much sugar does not lead to or cause Diabetes. I've been diabetic for about 27 years so I know. Too much sugar can cause you to gain weight and increased weight can lead to type 2 diabetes (Non-insulin dependent) But that can usually go away if they lose some weight. Type 1 diabetes (insulin dependent) is caused when your Pancreas stops working/making insulin.

    Good point. I should have been more clear on that. You are completely right. I guess my point was that consuming heavy amounts of sugar can contribute to a diabetic diagnosis.
  • Center Left
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    AMC,
    No that's not what I am doing. I was very pleased about the vote to legalize but you have never ever heard me suggest to anyone that they should start consuming anything at all. The main difference between me and you is that when my opinion is about someone making a change..... I keep it to myself. I have no advice for anyone on how they should live their life or what they should or shouldn't do. It's not my business. Neither is it yours.