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The right to die

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  • Independent
    Massachusetts
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    All the consternation about "right to die" and assisted suicide and such.
    Ridiculous. Anyone want to off themself?
    It's as simple as buying a gun. Which is simple. And a gun won't go bad like some sort of "offing" medication of which the efficacy might expire
    and the aspiring expirant not. (the stuff wouldn't work an the guy who wants to die don't).
    A gun is a guarantee. And is absolutely legal. And allows options. (In mouth, at temple, through heart, etc.).
    A fired bullet can't be vomited or (unless bad aim beyond imagining) leave one alive but paralyzed or half brain-dead or other states of unfulfillment.
    But there's a cheaper method of departure if things get intolerable to the one who lives. And the decision should be his or hers,
    This second method involves an implement and a wrist. And it provides for mess-control if one is thoughtful and does the slice in the tub.

    To end life is not a matter of legislation or any other determination -- other than an individual's own. For no matter what the laws, constraints, prohibitions, threats, . . . . . what the hell would be the prosecution's case against a corpse? "Detrimental self-centricity" or something?
    From things I've read here and there, the feared "slippery slope" into "death-squad" or "-'terminal-institutionalization procedure' " hasn't taken place in the states or countries where one's right to die is legal. In places, a doctor can prescribe, but the patient self-administers. Elsewhere doctor can play a
    part in departure.
    Wherever, since anyone can kill himself whenever, no matter what anyone else says, feels, prays, or postulates -- there should be established some oversight. For there will be those, paralyzed, for example, who can't do-it-yourself anything including relief and release from the cruel and unusual punishment that life itself sometimes inflicts. As in some foreign countries, some sort of format should exist where needed or where wanted. This should include various considerations (ethical, religious, "legal", familial, -- and even perhaps require some period to "apply" to die and interface with some
    qualified and caring expert (kind of an obverse Hospice person) -- who would play life-advocate. For there have been cases where wanting to die was
    really ridiculous, a waste of self. One aspirant expirant couldn't stand the ringing ears (tinnitis). Another was depressed and having received counseling was overwhelmed with thanksgiving to still be alive.
    Again, anyone who really wants to die doesn't need meds, doctor, permission, even preparation.
    There's death in every home. Lots. Open a kitchen drawer.
    Life insurance an issue? Skillsaw . . . whoops . . . .
    So many ways , . . . at hand . . . . . .
  • Center Left
    Independent
    Central, FL
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    along,
    I believe individuals should be allowed to bring things to an end if things are truly bad. I'd hate for anyone to do so because they had a break up, lost a job, or had another temporary set back. But if you had a terminal illness that gave you really bad pain, I could understand not wanting to endure that any longer. The gun would be final but it seems as though it would also be painful and quite messy. If I needed to bring a terminal illness to an end......
    I have always thought a peaceful exit would be a dozen or so sleeping pills and a large bottle of wine or a large supply of ice and a good quality bottle of whiskey. This method makes no mess and hopefully brings on deep sleep and a fabulous dream. The clean up would be brief and simple. Hopefully very very few people are in such circumstances.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    TJ Wrote: along,
    I believe individuals should be allowed to bring things to an end if things are truly bad. I'd hate for anyone to do so because they had a break up, lost a job, or had another temporary set back. But if you had a terminal illness that gave you really bad pain, I could understand not wanting to endure that any longer. The gun would be final but it seems as though it would also be painful and quite messy. If I needed to bring a terminal illness to an end......
    I have always thought a peaceful exit would be a dozen or so sleeping pills and a large bottle of wine or a large supply of ice and a good quality bottle of whiskey. This method makes no mess and hopefully brings on deep sleep and a fabulous dream. The clean up would be brief and simple. Hopefully very very few people are in such circumstances.
    I had two related family members and one friend who died horribly; one with a brain tumor; one leukomy; one cancer in the end they were pumped full with morphine; they did not suffer inthe last moments but way before they had terrible pain; as at that moment I can imagine that if you can't stand the pain any longer that you don't care anymore and have no will to live, because you already feel and know what is going to happen. So there is really no answer what is right or wrong. Life has always an end and a beginning. Suffering is also part of life; horrible but true. It is time that people realize how simple life really is and how lucky you are if you're healthy. No one up there decides or gives you any indication on how long you live or on how and when you are going to die. So make the best of it and enjoy life in the short period you are on this earth; don't waste it, by joining army's, sitting in church, but travel the world and absorb its beauty as well cruelty and what and why people do great or stupid things, that will keep you busy.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Choosing this way to die as opposed to suffering and also dying is a difficult choice to make especially from the sidelines ,and it is one that I am ill qualified to make as I watched my Dad die slowly and painfully from multiple cancerous tumors, the morphine was no longer effective near the end and any additional doses would have killed him, not that his wife was not tempted to do even when he begged her to do it, I believe had my dad knew in advance the pain that he would suffer ,he would have made a similar choice.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    J,C. I hope you read my story as well. I just wonder you as a religious person, does that not make you think that whatever up there does not care about people at all like is being preached. The worst part of it is that plenty of good decent people as well as believers get these terrible deseases.
    Therefore I have a very strong opinion that nothing up there, if any at all, does run our lives; even cancer cells or virusses are living things; thus if according to the church every living thing is/was created from up there, then that "thing" does not know the difference between good and bad. This totally undermines "belief" like if you are "good" you go to heaven; thus not, no you get cancer instead. Thus if I was you, I would review your beliefs; you have a good reason for that.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Dutch Wrote: J,C. I hope you read my story as well. I just wonder you as a religious person, does that not make you think that whatever up there does not care about people at all like is being preached. The worst part of it is that plenty of good decent people as well as believers get these terrible deseases.
    Therefore I have a very strong opinion that nothing up there, if any at all, does run our lives; even cancer cells or virusses are living things; thus if according to the church every living thing is/was created from up there, then that "thing" does not know the difference between good and bad. This totally undermines "belief" like if you are "good" you go to heaven; thus not, no you get cancer instead. Thus if I was you, I would review your beliefs; you have a good reason for that.
    As you say and I do think that you believe that there is no God, at least a God as I believe because he allows these horrible diseases and even worst the terrible actions of mans treatment of other men and women and children, but how does one have faith in a god, if everything is great, there are no troubles, everyone gets along, the answer of course is it is damn near impossible to have faith in that type of Utopia, I do not question God's motives although I have gotten angry with Him when something dreadful happens to someone near and dear to me, and as I have often posted that it is in Mans nature to believe in a higher power, whether or not it's the moon or the sun, the trees, the very earth itself, this is because, as I believe there some things we cannot control so Man attributes these unknown factors to a god, so then they pray/worship a particular god, say the rain god, if you are farmer and the rains don't arrive when they usually do and the farmers crops are in danger of failing, the farmer then feels that he has to pray/worship that particular god so he may find favor so that the god will allow the rains to arrive, if does rain after his prayer, what do think happens during harvest time from then on. So worshipping a God is not knew or unusual, but are particular faiths misused and abused by faithful followers and even the so-called leaders of the faith to pursue a selfish agenda ,oh yea, they do, I still believe in the Triune God and all that entails and I do feel blessed when my hardships come to a successful conclusion and I still believe that the power of prayer was the cause of that conclusion.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    johnnycee Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: J,C. I hope you read my story as well. I just wonder you as a religious person, does that not make you think that whatever up there does not care about people at all like is being preached. The worst part of it is that plenty of good decent people as well as believers get these terrible deseases.
    Therefore I have a very strong opinion that nothing up there, if any at all, does run our lives; even cancer cells or virusses are living things; thus if according to the church every living thing is/was created from up there, then that "thing" does not know the difference between good and bad. This totally undermines "belief" like if you are "good" you go to heaven; thus not, no you get cancer instead. Thus if I was you, I would review your beliefs; you have a good reason for that.
    As you say and I do think that you believe that there is no God, at least a God as I believe because he allows these horrible diseases and even worst the terrible actions of mans treatment of other men and women and children, but how does one have faith in a god, if everything is great, there are no troubles, everyone gets along, the answer of course is it is damn near impossible to have faith in that type of Utopia, I do not question God's motives although I have gotten angry with Him when something dreadful happens to someone near and dear to me, and as I have often posted that it is in Mans nature to believe in a higher power, whether or not it's the moon or the sun, the trees, the very earth itself, this is because, as I believe there some things we cannot control so Man attributes these unknown factors to a god, so then they pray/worship a particular god, say the rain god, if you are farmer and the rains don't arrive when they usually do and the farmers crops are in danger of failing, the farmer then feels that he has to pray/worship that particular god so he may find favor so that the god will allow the rains to arrive, if does rain after his prayer, what do think happens during harvest time from then on. So worshipping a God is not knew or unusual, but are particular faiths misused and abused by faithful followers and even the so-called leaders of the faith to pursue a selfish agenda ,oh yea, they do, I still believe in the Triune God and all that entails and I do feel blessed when my hardships come to a successful conclusion and I still believe that the power of prayer was the cause of that conclusion.
    Sure J.C. I can follow you; however a couple of things; humanity because of what you wrote has/had many self created "god's" because of fear of the unknown.
    I absolutely can not agree that anything at all controls our lives; neither do we control our own. Due to the fact all life also that of virusses came into being by "accidental collusion" like the first tiny fishy form of humans millions of years ago etc. Science is proving such right now. If you realize on how big the universe is versus us then may be you can understand that we humans are the tiny cancer cells in the universe itself. The universe does not benefit from us. So in other words turn things around; humans are not important but the universe is!! Also "prayers" (to where?) do not carry any farther then the drywall in your house; so what does it accomplish?