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John Stewart Debate's Bill O'Reilly on White Privilege

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    I did acknowledge that racism was still alive and doing well up until the "60's, but I look around now at the racial landscape today and I see many blacks both men and women heading Corporations, both large and small, I see more and more of mixed race marriage's and relationships, blacks in Command positions in all branch's of the Armed Services, and of course politics, is this the by-product of "white privilege"? Things will never be perfect with everyone holding hands and singing Kumbya, and as long as there is free will ,people will always blame someone or something for their own shortcomings or failures. I have mentioned several times before that I am second generation born here , both sets of my Grandparents are island born, so although I now can be described as a White Hispanic, much to the laughter of my darker hued brothers and cousins BTW, thank you media for coining that description and Mr. Zimmerman, the fact remains I saw no white privilege as I was growing up in a non-white neighborhood of Phila. I also am aware that most of those Jim Crow laws were made by Democratic legislators and repealed by Republican Legislators, the Civil War was ended by a Republican as was the Emancipation proclamation written by a Republican, the early south was a cauldron of racial violence spurred on by Democrats, aligned with the Klan, those days are done , if not should we re-live and bring up the horrors that all European immigrants suffered during their early settlements, the Irish, Italians, Jews, ETC. All of these groups were subjected to the whims of the power elite of the day, what they did for the most part was to gain a certain skill set that was in demand or other higher forms of education to achieve success and they did not feel any sense of entitlement from the government.
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    JC,
    If you don't want to see the real world..... you don't have to..... It's a free country. However, don't suggest at all that you're being honest or realistic.
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    What exactly am I not being realistic about, other than that I differ from your point of view concerning so-called "white privilege", a term being bandied about by the media, which I believe that is now non-existent in this date and time.
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    johnnycee Wrote: What exactly am I not being realistic about, other than that I differ from your point of view concerning so-called "white privilege", a term being bandied about by the media, which I believe that is now non-existent in this date and time.
    It's non-existent to you because you continue to benefit from white privilege.

    It is amazing to me how anyone can actually believe what you do, but unfortunately millions of other old white people think that racism is dead because we passed the 24th Amendment. You say we should just move on because we have a black President and a few black CEO's. Do you know what happened the last time we passed Constitutional Amendments which were meant to address racism? Poll taxes, Jim Crow, and rampant, government sanctioned racism became the norm for over one hundred years. Laws and Constitutional Amendments mean nothing if you don't have a change of conscience. The racism in this country is embedded much deeper than a few politicians being elected, no matter how high of an office they achieve.

    White privilege is the criminal justice system treating the races differently. White privilege is your zip code determining how much funding your school will get. Don't believe me? Read up on how schools are funded in this country. Rich, white suburbs receive far more funding from both the state and federal government as opposed to the poor, inner city schools. White privilege is being able to use your European name when you apply for a job. There are countless studies about white employers casting aside 'black names' when they are going through resumes. Do you agree that this is acceptable, or do your blinders refuse to make you believe this even happens, even though it is extensively documented in studies dating back to the early 2000's? I can go on and on and on when it comes to examples of white privilege, but I won't bother because it simply doesn't matter to individuals like you who like to think we are in some post racial utopia.

    You believe white privilege is non-existent because you have benefited from white privilege. Ask a black or brown person what they think about white privilege. I bet you'll get a much different answer.

    I'm very excited about my generation though. We actually seem to have finally broken away from this nonsense that our elders have become so accustomed to. I look forward to the day that we won't be debating white privilege and believe it will be in my lifetime. I just think it will be a few more years or decades before it becomes a reality.
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    JC, why is it so hard for you to realise that this is a white mans country, STILL. It was settled by white men, the constitution was written by white men, white men make the laws, white men enforce the laws, white men don't have to worry about not being white! Even Obama is more white than black, after all he was brought up by whites in a white world by white grandparents and a white mother. That makes him a lot whiter than many so called whites! In thirty or so years it's not going to be a white majority in this country and then, perhaps, you can say there is no such thing as white privilege.
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    History is called history for a reason and that's so wise men would learn from it and try not to repeat the same mistakes, you must feel that the minority of the population should make the rules and standards for the rest of the population so as to ensure fairness of a sort, human nature being what it is means its never going to happen, this country was settled by Europeans because they had the ships to traverse the oceans to get here, they were white, they were better armed and in due course, they subjugated the native population, which were not white, they then imported slaves from conquered countries, African warlords who were black sold their countrymen, who also were black to Dutch and other slave traders for passage to the new world as it was called, and so it began, the point being is that those in charge regardless of skin tone always invoke some type of privilege for themselves, again not going to change, so what I am saying is that privilege is not just for the "White Race".
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    Huh????
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    johnnycee Wrote: History is called history for a reason and that's so wise men would learn from it and try not to repeat the same mistakes, you must feel that the minority of the population should make the rules and standards for the rest of the population so as to ensure fairness of a sort, human nature being what it is means its never going to happen, this country was settled by Europeans because they had the ships to traverse the oceans to get here, they were white, they were better armed and in due course, they subjugated the native population, which were not white, they then imported slaves from conquered countries, African warlords who were black sold their countrymen, who also were black to Dutch and other slave traders for passage to the new world as it was called, and so it began, the point being is that those in charge regardless of skin tone always invoke some type of privilege for themselves, again not going to change, so what I am saying is that privilege is not just for the "White Race".
    Nice going; blame the Dutch; after all the US was once a Dutch colony; so blame us some more for New Amsterdam (New York) etc.
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    Not blaming the Dutch at all, but racism was popular as far back as man can remember, racism being just another word for "privilege, I don't see how I ,personally have benefitted from so-called White Privilege, as mentioned before, my family is of varying hues of brown, from light damn near white to Mocha, My siblings and I have graduated from mixed raced high schools, we have attended ,not all of us mind you, colleges from Fla. State to local Community Colleges, we lived in the inner city in what was known as a mixed neighborhood, meaning white flight had just started, almost all of us have succeeded in our lives, and with the exception of drawing Unemployment Comp. for brief spate of time , we had very little support from the so-called White Government, as you so choose to call it, so I would appreciate that before you ascribe to me certain benefits that I supposedly received from the White Government you should have at least asked me if I received any of those benefits. Now to the subject of white rule, almost all of the Worlds Nations ,who have a mixed race population are ruled by the majority ,which so happens to be white, there are exceptions I am certain ,but by and large, those nations are governed by white majority rule and so they make the rules, what's the problem, do you feel that the majority should enact rules/laws that benefits the minority only ? Racial equality /parity is a long and painful journey and that's if there are not any bumps in the road, I think this Nation has made great strides in attaining this goal, we are far from the goal line though, constantly harping on the past and what was, does not move the debate along but rather it makes the conversation bog down into petty grievances which will never find a resolution.
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    johnnycee Wrote: so what I am saying is that privilege is not just for the "White Race".
    I second PGR here. What in the world are you talking about? You are prone to constantly shift and expand discussions well beyond their original meanings, but this one is out there even for you.

    This discussion is about white privilege in America. In modern times. It is not about African warlords in the 17th and 18th centuries or the pre-colonial Dutch.
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    To understand the term of the so called "white privilege " you have to have the lineage of it, you seem to be saying that white privilege is an anomaly ,when in fact it isn't, I tried to show that privilege is not restricted to the white class only, but it is restricted to the ruling class. Just because a certain race is in a position of power does change the meaning of privilege, if Blacks were in positions of power, do you not think that Black privilege would be considered the norm? So ascribing the term "white privilege " to a common practice done by the ruling class seems to me as just being used as a tool to incite unrest or animus towards that certain race.
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    Oh come on now. This is just getting a bit ridiculous. Shrugging your shoulders and suggesting its perfectly normal to enact racist laws because you're in the majority is a rather elementary way of thinking.

    Your use of logical fallacies to contort a debate to your parameters is a tried and true method you use to muddy whatever debate you engage in. To justify white privilege in America by saying that people do it in other countries is a tactic used by freshmen in their high school debate class (and our national politicians)--muddy up the debate, make it about anything other than the specific topic at hand, and confuse the hell out of everyone participating.

    I'm quite certain there is animus towards 'that certain race' in large parts of America right now. The way we have treated black and brown people in this country may come back to bite us squarely in the ass when we are no longer the majority in 2043. Will it then be acceptable for whites to be subjugated and turned into second class citizens like America has done to non-whites for centuries? It seems as if that's what must be done if we follow your line of majority rule group think.
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: Oh come on now. This is just getting a bit ridiculous. Shrugging your shoulders and suggesting its perfectly normal to enact racist laws because you're in the majority is a rather elementary way of thinking.

    Your use of logical fallacies to contort a debate to your parameters is a tried and true method you use to muddy whatever debate you engage in. To justify white privilege in America by saying that people do it in other countries is a tactic used by freshmen in their high school debate class (and our national politicians)--muddy up the debate, make it about anything other than the specific topic at hand, and confuse the hell out of everyone participating.

    I'm quite certain there is animus towards 'that certain race' in large parts of America right now. The way we have treated black and brown people in this country may come back to bite us squarely in the ass when we are no longer the majority in 2043. Will it then be acceptable for whites to be subjugated and turned into second class citizens like America has done to non-whites for centuries? It seems as if that's what must be done if we follow your line of majority rule group think.
    Again you are showing your own personal bias, you have been attempting to single out the white race as the only race that used privilege to gain and maintain the upper hand, and since you cannot explain your position you revert back to denigrating the opposition to your views, as for my fallacies, which one of the opinions that I expressed is a fallacy? You speak of theories and what should be done as opposed to what the real world does , I have not shrugged my shoulders as you claim regarding the enacting of racist laws, merely tried to show that privilege was the instigator of these laws, I have tried to show that privilege is not a white man's phenomena , but a practice that was and is still being used today by a variety of different Governments throughout the world. In no way have I condoned these practices so try not to accuse me of that also.
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    JC, this thread is about white privilege today in the USA. You are correct in telling us that there can also be black privilege but there ISN'T IN THE USA TODAY! African countries, most certainly, have black privilege today and in the past but we are talking about the USA!!!
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    Would you consider organizations that only target certain ethnic peoples for aid? how about certain laws/rules/policies that favor one ethnic group over another in the name of fairness, would this be considered as a privilege for those receiving the aid or the benefit of those policies./rules? As I said there is no systemic policy of "white privilege" being used today, I believe that there are certain people in this country who would like nothing better then to start a class war just to advance their agenda.