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50 year anniversary of the Vietnam war

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  • Liberal
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    Durham, NH
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    Looks as if the government is prepared to whitewash history once again!
    http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/26842-us-government-sanitizes-vietnam-war-hi...y
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    The graphic images and death toll of the Vietnam war coupled with the war draft really solidified the Vietnam movement.

    The fact that we typically launch missiles and drones from a hundred miles away, have no draft, graphic images rarely surface, and a low death toll on our side seems to have made war far more palatable for the American people. Not saying that it is right, just that it doesn't strike the emotional chord like it once did.

    But we should never forget our past. Then we are just doomed to repeat it.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    This is one of the inherent problems of a "tech war", it does indeed sanitizes the horror of seeing, smelling, and listening to the art of war being waged, war was once considered a warrior's way of life, and not for the feint of heart, now we have Mech's doing the warriors work, launching drone strikes from hundreds of miles away just to ensure less loss of life on your side but indiscriminate loss of life on the other side is not in the concept of war, the loss of life on a battle field was usually the determining factor in whether a truce or resolution of the conflict was decided, but now, with the exception of Special Ops, the conduct of the war has turned into a 9-5 job with robot drones and missiles doing all of the "grunt " work, war now is much easier to sell to Congress, with only the cost of waging the war being the chief agreement, I want the American citizen to know what war looks like, the mess of war, and realize the cost is not just a monetary figure but a very expensive treasure of life itself, that cannot be replenished, war is the final agreement of politicians who can't resolve their issues. I want the American citizen to understand fully the price of waging war and it's consequences with their returning Vets with issues, don't sanitize it, they should know it is the road of last resort.
  • Center Left
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    Central, FL
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    During the 60's so many protested the war, the draft....... I was too young to even have any opinion. Looking back to those times though..... it's refreshing seeing so many come together to support a common goal. We haven't had so many people in agreement about anything the last 40 years.
    I'd love to see a new chapter of young people making a social statement. Talking about issues, political involvement, etc.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Militarism is the curse of any nation; we've learned nothing from Vietnam. When is the US going to learn that we can not control the whole world and have it dance to our tune? Let us for a change concentrate on things which are still stone age here; we say we can control Ebola, but it is one huge laugh.
    Even a nurse said the waste of the died Ebola victim was laying in the hallway to be taken a way by a janitor? or other collector (so that person would likely also get it); where are the brains?
    In the meantime Obama is discussing to use the National Guard; nuts!! are they trained in "medical contagious" things, since when? (hospitals aren't even coping with it) totally naive!!!!
    Common sense is never used in this country for sure. They only learned to follow orders because of the army culture here.
  • Independent
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    read bacevich. he understands the militarism and exceptionalism of the u.s. and limits thereof better than anyone i have found yet.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Yes Andrew Becevich writes many opinion articles about the follies of the US military involvement in the Middle East. He is of course right, but I haven't seen any columns where he is putting forth an alternative solution other than "do nothing". Do nothing may be the best approach, but it is politically a difficult course of action for any American president.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Schmidt Wrote: Yes Andrew Becevich writes many opinion articles about the follies of the US military involvement in the Middle East. He is of course right, but I haven't seen any columns where he is putting forth an alternative solution other than "do nothing". Do nothing may be the best approach, but it is politically a difficult course of action for any American president.
    Schmidt, no "the do nothing" as you said should be "do something" like education, agriculture, self support etc. because mostly in the countries where we get involved we only spread our weapons and money to the dictators instead of helping to get "bread" on the table for the lower classes. This prevent wars.
    We always work from the top down, seldom from the bottom up, thanks to our capitalistic structure and greed.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    Dutch -- You are right and I agree with you that "this prevents wars." But when we are already in the trenches and religious fanatics are on a killing crusade to gain power, it is more politically difficult to lift an olive branch out of that trench...especially if you are an American president.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Schmidt, that "Olive Branch" or a "white flag" coming out of the trenches will not ever work today. It worked in the past where Gentlemen fought wars, but not today. It's kill or be killed currently in conflicts. The killing is so advanced and yet, the world has not seen the "new" weapons to be deployed. America's military is decreasing in troop strength and why is that? Technology has advanced to degree of automation, where weapons move with drone stealth and some as small as insects will be assuming command on the battlefield. Of course, there are the command centers in such places as balmy beach settings in Florida. They may be neighbors of Dutch, who knows. As the technology advancement continues those command centers will become more automated with artificial intelligence ruling the command picture. In the not so far distant future, all we need to start, fuel and command a war is a single person...the President. One man army to come into the world. The wars will become more severe and the casualties too numerous to count. The day will come when someone will say, "Why can't we fight a war like Vietnam." It will be a laugh coming from the listeners. Yes, as a Vietnam Veteran and having experience numerous weapons of massive destruction, that humanity of conflict in Southeast Asia was horrific. The waste of human life on both sides is a lesson in history to not repeat. But the world will repeat this with more massive destruction of weapons than people will ever accept. It's kill or be killed, so where are the martyrs to this insanity? They are setting behind a console with their thumbs on a button for releasing chaos. So, to answer the "Olive Branch" theory, nobody will ever see that olive branch coming out of the trenches. The olive branch and the hand holding it will be carbonized for eternity. There's only faith in God that will not be defeated, which is why I hold this dear to my heart and life today. For mankind, there is no hope with God for He does provide the answers for todays problems. I have yet seen a human being say or do anything that lasts for long or brings the world together. There will be war, but at least I have my faith to escape into eternity.
  • Liberal Democrat
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    Colorado Springs, CO
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    AMC -- I agree with you in part. But to clarify regarding my trench and olive branch metaphor, I was applying it to current day conflicts where we are already in deep s**t. It is difficult politically to extricate ourselves from Iraq or Afghanistan precisely because of the enormous loss of life already experienced on all sides. No one wants to hear that it was "all in vain". Yet that's what it is, just like Vietnam...all in vain. And in any case, the heavy baggage from our long term military presence there has soured any chances of anyone accepting any kind of branch that wouldn't be seen with suspicion as another "big stick".

    So instead of trenches we have enormous fortified "embassies" full of CIA and military personnel clinging to that last bit of hope for "victory" in the eyes of the military, and where killing innocent people is casually referred to as "collateral damage". There are no easy answers or solutions...only degrees of bad choices.

    A final point that is off topic: I won't challenge or argue your faith like others in this website do, but my view as an atheist is that when you're dead, you no longer exist. I have, however, wondered what it would be like to live for eternity in some unknown place...not a pleasant thought.
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Schmidt,
    The biggest reason for my personal faith is that I realize there is nothing else here on earth. I am in awe and gratitude for my life, which I experienced much of the world and accomplished so much that I give a hearty thanks to God for the existence. Since I was raised Christian, I have deep a sense of faith in Jesus, who better than anyone gave me a second chance amongst all my sins. With all that said, there is nothing here on earth that I see as capable of reversing the effects of evil and a total disregard for human life. People spend much energy to fight the injustice and unrighteousness that they loose sight of the most important of ingredients in pursuit of humanity and that is personal sacrifice, duty and honor to one another. One of the most unused 10 commandments is "Honor your Father and Mother". In that brief is the beginnings of personal sacrifice, duty and honor to one another. Our parents would not want us to aimlessly kill, steal and beat each other in an field of anarchy. I see the world in total chaos with massive architecture in weapons the world has never seen. These weapons sit at the ready and they hold death and destruction in biological, chemical and molecular destruction of mankind.

    A case example is last week in Africa, Ebola blood samples were stolen by a terror group. Just what do they expect to do with that as a weapon. They sure are not going to grow prize tomatoes with it. Also, a report came out Putin may be stepping back, because of some US flights over Russia. Just what was America flying that got there attention? One of my engineer friends who worked out of St. Louis told me years ago about her husbands government grants and University studies in Nanoparticle technology. This man is a well known professor in Nano Technology and the things that my friend was telling me send shivers through me of just what this weapon technology can evolve into. Remember all those grant funds given to people on insects and their mating rituals. We thought it was a waste of government funds. Well, all those studies go into intelligence of how to mimic an insect made from nanotech to use against a perceived threat. This is an insane use of our intelligence. America and the world has moved way beyond nuclear bombs and those weapons are just children's toys as compared with the current evolution in weaponry.

    NO, I see no help for mankind other than God's intervention. Mankind has already entered into the world of no return. Automated weapons are already being used, especially on Israel's desert borders. You cannot enter past the warning signs without being riddled by an automated weapon that fires first, it knows no other humane effort to analyze if your a threat or not, it just shoots. Again, mankind has not seen the best (or worst) of what weapons they can use. They have them and they continue to build newer ones. There is no salvation for mankind, other than prayer and faith in God's promise. I came into this earth and I will leave this earth..........it's that simple!
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    So....are you telling me that we should all be on the lookout for 6 foot, bible carrying, grasshoppers that learned ninjitsu????? I'm just asking
  • Democrat
    Missouri
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    Sorry, LA, you will not see it coming, grasshopper or not. Don't worry though, none of us are worthy of the billions of dollars in the R&D to waste on us. Just keep on living the best you can, which I realize may be too difficult. As we talk of gun control, another scorn of humanity, do you know where the "Shot" at the bar came from? A shot of Whiskey came from the old west from the payment of a single .45 cartridge for whiskey. A six gun held 6 cartridges at a cost of 12 cents each. If a cowhand was low on cash, he would offer the bartender a cartridge in exchange for the drink. Thus the "Shot" was born for a single drink of whiskey. Guns and all the terror they bring brought us a way to communicate and pay for our need in alcohol. What a world we live in. So, where did "Blunt" come from?
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    AMC, I guess it is impossible to convince you that nothing from outerspace will interfere in any happening on this globe, especially "human" created things like war, polution, crime, people who have no food, roof over their heads, famine, deceases because of that etc. No "human" created "god's, will ever intervene, imaginary things can not intervene, just like Santa Claus, I guess you believe in him as well. Faith in "god's promise? Wow; Obama promised a lot as well!!
    Guess who "wrote" such promise? People did, not something up there!!! When are you going to wake up?????