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Being Democratic - Freedom of Religion

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  • Democrat
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    As a Democrat, Federal & State government has an obligation to: provide essential services for citizens; legal recognition & protection for oppressed & poorly represented minorities; promote social security, public welfare & food stamp programs; support minimum wages & progressive taxation; provide for social & human ideas based on community & social responsibilities. Although, being Democratic prefers low increases in military with a reluctance to engage, our country as a whole, prefers a strong military maintained in readiness as a reactive force to secure our borders and balance the powers against terror and aggression. Being Democratic you support abortion rights and employer paid health insurance on conception, however there are religious zealot tendencies, like America United for Life , that signed up Senate Democrats to force restrictive religious freedom to support rejecting birth control and abortion. Being Democratic you support individual rights for gay & lesbian couples, as again this is anther example of religious zealot tendencies to use restrictive religious freedom to deny these individual rights. As a Democrat, you oppose the death penalty, although the Democratic population is all over this issue. As a Democrat you support a large government responsible and capable of a far ranging variety of services to improve life for all citizens. As a Democrat, you support Civil Rights. Being Democrat, you oppose current measures on Voter ID restricting anybody's ability to have a free act to voting their act or official, which means "NO" poll tax of any kind and if an ID is approved, the ID is "Free". Being a Democrat, you support political and social equality for all people. Lastly, as a Democrat, you support the right to express beliefs and advocate individual ideas as the Constitution provides vital for free exchange of ideas and "NEVER" be violated by censorship.

    I tried to capsulate Democratic views as much as I could and I realize I fall short in many areas. As this Post subject refers to "Freedom of Religion", I start this issue for the sole purpose of responding to the many hateful and ridicule remarks on people expressing their faiths. You violate the Constitution by suppressing those with censorship and ridicule.

    I acknowledge many religious zealot tendencies. Religion will continue to evolve as mankind continues to be educated and studied in the theological works as handed down to us in history. The disclaimers have no credible evidence other than their own ill informed view of the world, although their ideas must never be suppressed just as religious claims must not be suppressed. It is acts of melding together that is the social order of humanity developing. People must be able to practice Free Will as ordained by believers in the nature of God's Will and Plan. As religion is tormented by zealot tendencies of non-believers there is also torment from those zealot religious believers that oppose all indifference of people denying God. It's a struggle of our world community for the grand plan of humanity coming together for the big festival. That festival, I personally believe is God's plan coming into view revealing to all mankind our future as humanity.

    Freedom of Religion is our fundamental human right. People shall not persecute believers in other faiths, just as believers shall not persecute non-believers in God's community. Repressive legislation and smear campaigns by people infringe on religious rights for the sole purpose of deviant and greedy desires. Being a Democrat dos mean you may willfully condemn, ridicule or suppress peoples beliefs. It does work both ways from those who have a God based faith and from those who choose not to believe , such as Agnostic or Atheist. Faith believes in religious orders are caught between religious leaders and anti-religious advocates. Being Democrat does not allow you to suppress the freedom of those who practice their beliefs in God.

    Some examples of transitions in religious beliefs whereby you can correlate opposing views coming together is women's rights and racial injustice improving. These two issues continue to evolve and improve. Just like any Church, they are caught in a struggle for definition and they continue to evolve. For any believer (religious or not), all do struggle with their own beliefs, but as a people we will evolve together. One day, all of humanity will be united and I believe that religion will e foremost in a God fearing world of praise and joy. For me, it's all a big struggle with most everybody maladjusted, misinformed and just plain too ignorant to proceed with evolution. Evolution doesn't occur over night, for if it did, I'd wake up the next morning and say, "HALLELUJAH".
  • Liberal
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    Are you drinking the punch again? No such thing as fundamental rights when they must be extended to you via people....your rights are subjective and can be taken at any time. that right to which you speak guaranteed the right to practice without persecution. ...I can comment and call religion a joke all that I want....my factual reasoning that your god is a produ ct of fear, indoctination,, and a wild imagination is not protected
  • Independent
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    L.A. Citizen Wrote: Are you drinking the punch again? No such thing as fundamental rights when they must be extended to you via people....your rights are subjective and can be taken at any time. that right to which you speak guaranteed the right to practice without persecution. ...I can comment and call religion a joke all that I want....my factual reasoning that your god is a produ ct of fear, indoctination,, and a wild imagination is not protected
    L.A. religion is not a "freedom"; it "binds " you to "believe" in things which are totally fake, just to have "power" over the people and make tax free money. "Followers" have no freedoms; they obey to whatever they are being told..
  • Democrat
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    Amendment 1 (The Bill of Rights) "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therefore, or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    OK, we back on track, now?

    Idle threats prohibit the free exercise of religion and should be keep as only an expression of free speech, but not as a tool for intimidation and a threat to existence of someone's beliefs. Exercising prohibition of beliefs is exactly what Hitler and other infamous dictators have done throughout history. So, in one way you exhibit the tendencies of what Hitler and other oppressive leaders have done to millions of people around the world. Ridicule and calling names is exactly how Hitler and these notorious leaders excited people for their cause and evil agenda. There should be temperament on the use of free speech, maybe educating people on humanitarian values accepting people for all beliefs and the sanctity of life.

  • Center Left
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Amendment 1 (The Bill of Rights) "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise therefore, or abridging the freedom of speech, or the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    OK, we back on track, now?

    Idle threats prohibit the free exercise of religion and should be keep as only an expression of free speech, but not as a tool for intimidation and a threat to existence of someone's beliefs. Exercising prohibition of beliefs is exactly what Hitler and other infamous dictators have done throughout history. So, in one way you exhibit the tendencies of what Hitler and other oppressive leaders have done to millions of people around the world. Ridicule and calling names is exactly how Hitler and these notorious leaders excited people for their cause and evil agenda. There should be temperament on the use of free speech, maybe educating people on humanitarian values accepting people for all beliefs and the sanctity of life.

    The first Amendment has nothing to do with. The government isn't trying to limit speech at all. And what is with the shoe-horned in Nazi reference that isn't even close to applicable? Hitler quoted the Bible often to justify and excite the people about what he was doing.

    And as for persecution, Christians are the least persecuted group in the country. Recently (We will ignore the lynchings, witch burnings, slavery and stonings since they happened long ago), when Christians persecute people, they will blow-up women's clinics or go gay-bashing. They set crosses ablaze in people's yards. Hurl bricks through windows.

    When people speak against religion, they typically do just that, speak.

    Religion is terrible. It prohibits progress and development. Divides the masses. And has zero basis in reality. When people try and force their religious beliefs on other people through the government, that is a violation of the 1st Amendment. You can't use the government to mandate religious beliefs.
  • Democrat
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    Than Zach, please tell us who is going to provide missions around the world comparable to what religion is currently doing? Who is going to take care of the sick, dying and hopeless people around the world? Who is going to place themselves in harm's way where war, famine and disease is prevalent? If your not desiring to place yourselves into promoting humanity and saving people around the world, just who is? You can do yourself a great benefit by saying the things you just did to those in your community receiving assistance from religious organizations. Religious organization provide enormous benefits and aid to people in your community, city, county, state, country and around the world. Just open your eyes and go forth talking to recipients of aid and assistance from religious groups or any group. Now I'm never endorsing all groups of religion, because some are just not having similar character that I feel measure up to a true mission of humanity. Sure, I believe that some have an agenda that forces one to join, but most all that I have had the privilege to serve or know, it is free-will giving. Generally, free-will giving however, does produce intrigue and questions that people will return to have religious knowledge for learning faith and begin helping others. It is like good water that quenches the thirst, one taste and you want more. So, helping people is contagious, warming the heart and blessing the person that gives and receives. Mission work is a large part of religious organizations and within Christianity it is fore-told in scripture that is what God's people shall do. I'm never taking away the efforts of non-religious groups doing similar work, but I challenge you to look at them, talk to them and you will find a religious fever in their good work. Yes, religion as hard as you can bring up falsehoods and ridicule, it will continue working right past you performing good works for all.

    Do you enjoy that good meal and place to lay your head for a good rest? Do you enjoy knowing you have good medical care when you get sick? Do you enjoy having a job or earning a wage? Do you enjoy walking around an area of your recreation and not be afraid of someone shooting you? Do you enjoy having a family. Now, take all that enjoyment and think that over 50% of the world has none of these or few of them. This is what missions around the world try to help in people that are sick, hungry, tired and afraid of dying. Religion does a tremendous amount of service to the world and it will get better as people evolve from their social hang-ups.
  • Independent
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    I don't reply on silly your statement as I said before.
    RELIGION IS THE CURSE OF HUMANITY; COMMON SENSE IS NOT!!!
  • Liberal
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    Llos Angeles, CA
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    And since I dont work for the press or in any way trying to assemble people against your subjective beliefs.....how is it exactly you're attempting to cite an amendment and some how imply that we in this forum are denying you any rights...you sir need to get a grip
  • Democrat
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    Not having religion and/or faith in God is a curse and will keep your ship anchored unable to sail or more likely to sink at port. For you Dutch, that plane will never fly.

    LA you need to read history more on events and how people are censored.
  • Liberal
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    Im not interested in censorship....only reality
  • Liberal
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Not having religion and/or faith in God is a curse and will keep your ship anchored unable to sail or more likely to sink at port. For you Dutch, that plane will never fly.

    LA you need to read history more on events and how people are censored.
    OMG are you for real! Where do you come up with this BS nonsence? Believe in God or religion in general has nothing at all to do making a person happy, loving, caring, generous or content with their life! If anything, it makes them full of fear, naive, uninformed and in many cases just plain dumb!
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Not having religion and/or faith in God is a curse and will keep your ship anchored unable to sail or more likely to sink at port. For you Dutch, that plane will never fly.

    LA you need to read history more on events and how people are censored.
    AMC, I said I would no longer reply to your utterly nonsense; I'll answer this time because you managed to "out do" yourself in stupidity. But I flew planes for my job; thus I know on how to fly; you however nor your dead body will not fly anywhere, neither did Jesus; "it" never had a pilot licence; certainly only a donkey drivers licence after "it" failed the test 30 times.
    Just check history millions of people died because of religion; even your "bible" is full of religeous wars. Just a question; "anchored" ships, sinking or sailing; I never knew that will get you to your "imaginary" heaven; you do not need a pilot licence for that, only a "wallet" to buy yourself a place in a tax free church. Like I said before you keep living in brainless la la land. Ever talked to dead people; I'm mistaken it must be halloween!!!
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    I will not elaborate, but there IS some "virtual" censorship taking place on this forum, because Nobody can even use the word religion, or Bible or God without unleashing a torrent of abuse. I think it is highly offensive, since 80% of US population are Christians, & then there are many more who are Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, etc. -- So Atheists, (who are a very small minority), want to dominate the discussion.

    BE IT KNOWN that the Founding Fathers who began this Government, & its Constitution, were ALL men of Faith, mostly Christians or Deists. If you really want to know, look them up -- there are thousands of books (& internet sources) on that subject.

    Note: On ALL our U.S. currency, it says "IN GOD WE TRUST". Hmmm --- I wonder what THAT means?
  • Democrat
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    Thank you "Eternal Flame". Although I do recognize the censorship taking place on responses, it only proves that people do not believe in 1st Amendment on Freedom of Religion and choose to restrict people's beliefs by slander and vulgarity. It is the same tactics used by many infamous dictators around the world in history that enabled them to go the next step and that was go house-to-house rounding up people who only want to practice and voice their beliefs in God and their religion. It continues today throughout the world and if it was not for hard-core missionaries who place their lives voicing their freedoms, the world would be a lot worse off. Most notable in current news is the Catholic Church making a change in better relationships with Gay lifestyles. This announcement from the Pope was a gigantic move toward allowing Gay and lesbians to have a voice in the Catholic Church. Before yesterday, Catholics censored anything related to Gay and lesbians. So, censorship can take place in many formats and many of the responses read on this post only exemplifies methods to restrict our rights to free religion.
  • Center Left
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Than Zach, please tell us who is going to provide missions around the world comparable to what religion is currently doing? Who is going to take care of the sick, dying and hopeless people around the world? Who is going to place themselves in harm's way where war, famine and disease is prevalent? If your not desiring to place yourselves into promoting humanity and saving people around the world, just who is? You can do yourself a great benefit by saying the things you just did to those in your community receiving assistance from religious organizations. Religious organization provide enormous benefits and aid to people in your community, city, county, state, country and around the world. Just open your eyes and go forth talking to recipients of aid and assistance from religious groups or any group. Now I'm never endorsing all groups of religion, because some are just not having similar character that I feel measure up to a true mission of humanity. Sure, I believe that some have an agenda that forces one to join, but most all that I have had the privilege to serve or know, it is free-will giving. Generally, free-will giving however, does produce intrigue and questions that people will return to have religious knowledge for learning faith and begin helping others. It is like good water that quenches the thirst, one taste and you want more. So, helping people is contagious, warming the heart and blessing the person that gives and receives. Mission work is a large part of religious organizations and within Christianity it is fore-told in scripture that is what God's people shall do. I'm never taking away the efforts of non-religious groups doing similar work, but I challenge you to look at them, talk to them and you will find a religious fever in their good work. Yes, religion as hard as you can bring up falsehoods and ridicule, it will continue working right past you performing good works for all.

    Do you enjoy that good meal and place to lay your head for a good rest? Do you enjoy knowing you have good medical care when you get sick? Do you enjoy having a job or earning a wage? Do you enjoy walking around an area of your recreation and not be afraid of someone shooting you? Do you enjoy having a family. Now, take all that enjoyment and think that over 50% of the world has none of these or few of them. This is what missions around the world try to help in people that are sick, hungry, tired and afraid of dying. Religion does a tremendous amount of service to the world and it will get better as people evolve from their social hang-ups.
    We don't need missions. All they do is spread religion. There really is no basic benefit to that. If you take all the money, time and resources they spent on handing out Bibles and religious pamphlets and instead had that money put into medical research, or infrastructure or skilled doctors it would be much more beneficial.

    The most successful and helpful organizations that do good around the world are secular. Doctors Without Borders and WHO. Religion is not a requirement to be helpful. You are speaking like religion is the only path to goodness. But if the only reason that someone is a good person is that they fear that some malevolent being is going to thump them in the head for being bad then, deep down, they aren't good people.

    Yes, lots of religious organizations do a lot of good things for the community. I'm not denying that at all. But there is no reason that people won't do those same things without all that extra religious crap. People aren't helping others because of religion, they are helping them because it feels good to help people.

    While parts of the Bible encourage helping people, most parts encourage exclusion, killing, and persecution. While much of the population ignores those parts, that kind of "we are better than thou" mentality is what causes so much damage. On top of which, the kind of damage religion does to education, that sciences in particular. The cons of religion grossly outweigh the pros. It's superstitious and based in a bronze age supernatural mindset.

    I would never ever say that religion should be outlawed. Religion is thought and legislation should never incorporate thought. People are free to think and believe whatever they want (secular and non-secular) and if they choose to share those beliefs they should be ready to be confronted about them. It's not persecution it's discussion.