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    ByMEN AND WOMEN OF THE TRUMAN PROJECTPublishedSEPTEMBER 27, 2014, 8:00 AM EDT 430594 Views
    Dear Mr. Bolling and Mr. Gutfeld,

    We are veterans of the United States armed forces, and we are writing to inform you that your remarks about United Arab Emirates Air Force Major Mariam Al Mansouri were unwarranted, offensive, and fundamentally opposed to what the military taught us to stand for.

    First, foremost, and most obvious to everyone other than yourselves, your remarks were immensely inappropriate. Your co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle was so right to call attention to an inspiring story of a woman shattering glass ceilings in a society where doing so is immeasurably difficult. We never heard an answer to her question: why did you feel so compelled to “ruin her thing?”

    As it turns out, women have been flying combat aircraft since before either of you were born. Over 1,000 Women Airforce Service Pilots (WASPs) flew during World War II. Seeing as U.S. Army Air Forces Commander “Hap” Arnold said “Now in 1944, it is on the record that women can fly as well as men,” we can probably guess he thought their parking was adequate. The WASP legacy reaches into the present day; on 9/11, then Lt. Heather “Lucky” Penney scrambled her F-16. Completely unarmed, she was ready to lay down her own life to prevent further devastating attacks on American soil.

    Thus the skill of women as fighter pilots is well established. And before you jump to the standby excuse that you were “just making a joke” or “having a laugh,” let the men amongst our number preemptively respond: You are not funny. You are not clever. And you are not excused. Perhaps the phrase “boys will be boys”—inevitably uttered wherever misogyny is present—is relevant. Men would never insult and demean a fellow servicemember; boys think saying the word ‘boobs’ is funny.

    The less obvious implication of your remarks, however, is that by offending an ally and cheapening her contribution, you are actively hurting the mission. We need to send a clear message that anyone, male or female, who will stand up to ISIS and get the job done is worthy of our respect and gratitude.

    We issue an apology on your behalf to Major Al Mansouri knowing that anything your producers force you to say will be contrived and insincere. Major, we’re sincerely sorry for the rudeness; clearly, these boys don’t take your service seriously, but we and the rest of the American public do.

    Very Respectfully,

    Michael Breen, U.S. Army

    Shawn VanDiver, U.S. Navy

    Kristen Rouse, U.S. National Guard

    Andrea Marr, U.S. Navy

    Kristen Kavanaugh, U.S. Navy

    Richard Wheeler, U.S. Army

    Leo Cruz, U.S. Navy

    Aryanna Hunter, U.S. Army

    Geoff Orazem U.S. Marine Corps

    Scott Cheney-Peters, U.S. Navy

    Jonathan Murray, U.S. Marine Corps

    Timothy Kudo, U.S. Marine Corps

    Welton Chang, U.S. Army

    Michael Smith, U.S. Army

    Gordon Griffin, U.S. Marine Corps

    Kelsey Campbell, U.S. Air Force

    Matt Runyon, U.S. Army

    Richard Weir, U.S. Marine Corps

    Scott Holcomb, U.S. Army

    Jon Gensler, U.S. Army

    Erik Brine, U.S. Air Froce

    Rob Miller, U.S. Marine Corps

    Josh Weinberg, U.S. Army

    John Wagner, U.S. Air Force

    Terron Sims II, U.S. Army

    Sonia Fernandez, U.S. Marine Corps

    Dan Hartnett, U.S. Army

    Dan Futrell, U.S. Army

    John Margolick, U.S. Marine Corps

    Daniel Savage, U.S. Army

    Matt Pelak, U.S. Army,

    LaRue Robinson, U.S. Army

    Anthony Woods, U.S Army

    Margot Beausey, U.S. Navy

    Dustin Cathcart, U.S. Army

    Kayla Williams, U.S. Army

    Dan Espinal, U.S. Army

    Jonathan Hopkins, U.S. Army

    Tony Johnson, U.S. Navy

    Andy Moore, U.S. Army

    Kevin Johnson, U.S. Army

    Brett Hunt, U.S. Army

    Russell Galeti, U.S. Army

    Gail Harris, U.S. Navy

    Katelyn Geary van Dam, U.S. Marine Corps

    Mick Crnkovich, U.S. Army

    Jonathan Freeman, U.S. Army

    Chris Finan, U.S. Air Force

    Robert Mishev, U.S. Air Force

    Matt Zeller, U.S. Army

    William Allen, U.S. Marine Corps

    Sharmistha Mohpatra, U.S. Army

    Adam Tiffen, U.S. Army

    Alex Cornell du Houx, U.S. Navy

    Jason Cain, U.S. Army

    Rob Bracknell, U.S. Marine Corps

    Karen Courington, U.S. Air Force

    Justin Graf, U.S. Army

    Lach Litwer, U.S. Army

    Andrew Borene, U.S. Marine Corps
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    Nuts!! As long as women can't decide in this country to have birthcontrol pills or abortions or same wages as men and still be beaten by football players, then just flying a plane and dropping bombs because you follow orders makes this only laughable. Did she got paid what her manly other flyers got? doubt it. Anyway in her country there are plenty more restrictions on women in the Muslim world. So keep the hype up. Her bombs won't make any difference in the outcome of that useless war anyway.
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    Domestic social issues, and comradery among military service members are two different things. It's an insult to active duty service members to have a media blowhard make light of any members actions in the battle field. In this case slighting a female pilot that can, and did do something at risk to her life, that the media blowhard can't, or wouldn't do. In this case a hypocritical cowardly conservative media blowhard. Of course these misogynistic defenders of woman beaters have no problems sending other peoples family members to do their fighting for them. Just ask Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh, or Dick Cheney.
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    Former Member Wrote: Domestic social issues, and comradery among military service members are two different things. It's an insult to active duty service members to have a media blowhard make light of any members actions in the battle field. In this case slighting a female pilot that can, and did do something at risk to her life, that the media blowhard can't, or wouldn't do. In this case a hypocritical cowardly conservative media blowhard. Of course these misogynistic defenders of woman beaters have no problems sending other peoples family members to do their fighting for them. Just ask Mitt Romney, Rush Limbaugh, or Dick Cheney.
    It is very clear that you love the military; of course fully indoctrinated and proud of spending our tax money on useless wars since WWII; so be proud of that. If a woman throws bombs or men, it still cost us millions per day and does not solve anything. Pls look at the interview of Michael Scheuer on CNN; if you do not take away the cause of this in the middle east then you can keep sending women or drones till you are loaded with badgets/medals and it will not solve anything at all. WE WILL NEVER LEARN certainly the military mentality will not help to make this a better world. Again we are the cause of all of this and make the mess only bigger; ask Napoleon or Hitler how they ended up, by trying to rule and dictate the world their way
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    Actually I'm as Liberal as the next person on this board, but I am a veteran, and my son is a veteran of the war in Iraq in which he earned two Purple Hearts, and a Bronze Star. While we are a military family, we don't hold pro war viewpoints. Having said that, what that woman pilot did in a culture that suppresses womens rights, is truly remarkable, and to be slighted by the likes of a Fox News blowhard is truly an insult to women, as well as anyone who puts their lives at risk. Your views on the merits of waging war and it's justification should be reserved for another thread. I would hope that Liberals everywhere, and Conservatives for that matter, would celebrate the courage of this particular woman, and condemn the statements of someone who would use juvenile hyperbole in the furtherance of an agenda.
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    As one veteran to another, thank you for your service and I totally agree with your response.
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    Former Member Wrote: Actually I'm as Liberal as the next person on this board, but I am a veteran, and my son is a veteran of the war in Iraq in which he earned two Purple Hearts, and a Bronze Star. While we are a military family, we don't hold pro war viewpoints. Having said that, what that woman pilot did in a culture that suppresses womens rights, is truly remarkable, and to be slighted by the likes of a Fox News blowhard is truly an insult to women, as well as anyone who puts their lives at risk. Your views on the merits of waging war and it's justification should be reserved for another thread. I would hope that Liberals everywhere, and Conservatives for that matter, would celebrate the courage of this particular woman, and condemn the statements of someone who would use juvenile hyperbole in the furtherance of an agenda.
    Comgratulations; be proud of your medals; does that give the life's back of the 6000 plus soldiers who died in vain for another un-needed war we lost and only made things worse? I think it is better to hand out medals to people who save life's instead of the one's who only learn to kill.
    (150,000 plus civilians in Iraq; let alone Afghanistan, Vietnam and other lost wars, for example) What did we as US gain from it? First of all trillions of debt, second everyone on the globe hates us more. Thus sorry to say, medals are cheap and meaningless ; life's are not.
    Militarism will be the noose around this countries neck if we continue this way. So you are now proud "others" have to help now to clean up our own created mess. Shaking my head.
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    Dutch, I appreciate your position, and I to do not want our country, or any innocent person hurt by unnecessary warfare. We should be very careful how we engage in any situation around the world, and deploy our military service people responsibly. At the same time we must support them when we do, and recognize their actions on behalf of all of us. My OP was intended to point out what I felt was very irresponsible commentary concerning the actions of a very brave woman, and feel the comments made should be condemned, and the actions of the female pilot be commended given the culture in which she exists.
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    Former Member Wrote: Actually I'm as Liberal as the next person on this board, but I am a veteran, and my son is a veteran of the war in Iraq in which he earned two Purple Hearts, and a Bronze Star. While we are a military family, we don't hold pro war viewpoints. Having said that, what that woman pilot did in a culture that suppresses womens rights, is truly remarkable, and to be slighted by the likes of a Fox News blowhard is truly an insult to women, as well as anyone who puts their lives at risk. Your views on the merits of waging war and it's justification should be reserved for another thread. I would hope that Liberals everywhere, and Conservatives for that matter, would celebrate the courage of this particular woman, and condemn the statements of someone who would use juvenile hyperbole in the furtherance of an agenda.
    Well said. You're right. This is the same topic, but two different arguments.
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    Dutch Wrote:
    Former Member Wrote: Actually I'm as Liberal as the next person on this board, but I am a veteran, and my son is a veteran of the war in Iraq in which he earned two Purple Hearts, and a Bronze Star. While we are a military family, we don't hold pro war viewpoints. Having said that, what that woman pilot did in a culture that suppresses womens rights, is truly remarkable, and to be slighted by the likes of a Fox News blowhard is truly an insult to women, as well as anyone who puts their lives at risk. Your views on the merits of waging war and it's justification should be reserved for another thread. I would hope that Liberals everywhere, and Conservatives for that matter, would celebrate the courage of this particular woman, and condemn the statements of someone who would use juvenile hyperbole in the furtherance of an agenda.
    Comgratulations; be proud of your medals; does that give the life's back of the 6000 plus soldiers who died in vain for another un-needed war we lost and only made things worse? I think it is better to hand out medals to people who save life's instead of the one's who only learn to kill.
    (150,000 plus civilians in Iraq; let alone Afghanistan, Vietnam and other lost wars, for example) What did we as US gain from it? First of all trillions of debt, second everyone on the globe hates us more. Thus sorry to say, medals are cheap and meaningless ; life's are not.
    Militarism will be the noose around this countries neck if we continue this way. So you are now proud "others" have to help now to clean up our own created mess. Shaking my head.
    It seems as if you have blinders on, with only a AK-47 and empty shells in front of you. You do realize our military (speaking only of U.S. military) is not just one large gun right? There's alot more to it than that. Yes it is unjustifiable the amount of lives lost to "pointless wars" as well as unavoidable wars (again, on the U.S. side). But you alone are not doing anything to stop it right? Just bashing someone who has been involved? That doesnt not help a single fraction of anything. Also that does not mean you should shun every thing that has the military connected to it. Jobs/Careers, education, money, economical ups and downs, housing, balance, etc, etc, all come from military. Our own, and all the others. Not just the U.S..

    I am not a pro-war advocate but I will say without our military today, it's probable that you wouldn't be able to be sitting down at your computer right now degrading someones hard earned medals. What is actually "cheap and meaningless" is words that completely degrade someone because you can. Not because it makes any difference whatsoever.

    Scrubpuppy: Thankyou for you and your son's service.
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    Thanks, and thanks to everybody who has. I don't want to throw Dutch under the bus. His heart is in the right place. This is a good internet forum, and the last thing we want to do is let it become like a lot of others I've posted on where discussion devolves into mud slinging contests. Hopefully the moderators will not let that happen.
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    Former Member Wrote: Thanks, and thanks to everybody who has. I don't want to throw Dutch under the bus. His heart is in the right place. This is a good internet forum, and the last thing we want to do is let it become like a lot of others I've posted on where discussion devolves into mud slinging contests. Hopefully the moderators will not let that happen.
    Hushpuppy, I appreciate that you will not throw me under the bus; here in FL it will likely be an F150 with huge wheels about a yard sticking outside the fenders,which will kill me. So I guess I still have 50 AK47's all lined up if you try; I'm an honary member of the fish shooting contest club. This is a so called free country, so I'll wave a Dutch flag.
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    ClayTaylor; So you think a country is doing the right thing with its militarism? The Pentagon is indeed the biggest employer here; actually a "social" workplace. If you would put these same people to work on our infrastructure or cleaning up our environment then 350 million people benefit from it; not just the rich suppliers of war junk only. Furthermore all our wars did not benefit this country itself ; our social services are being hollowed out as we speak.
    Our billionairs are the only ones who don't care about the environment or the "little" people; their money is stashed safely somewhere and make sure they have an unpoluted place or island. They also absolutely do not care if the money they made was used to kill anyone. Furthermore who ever joins the military should know that they sell their "soul" to the "devil" called Pentagon, which guarantees your "robot" body gets a beautiful flag draped burial.
    Once you join, the only word you are allowed to speak is : Yes General (we've got at least 999 of them); the corrupt bureaucrats will from then on think for you. Now happy; I guess you prefer cheap made in China medals more than a healthy country where everyone has food on the table and a decent job. Are you surprised that they shoot at you, if you invade countries who never attacked us? Keep on dreaming.
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    Dutch Wrote: ClayTaylor; So you think a country is doing the right thing with its militarism? The Pentagon is indeed the biggest employer here; actually a "social" workplace. If you would put these same people to work on our infrastructure or cleaning up our environment then 350 million people benefit from it; not just the rich suppliers of war junk only. Furthermore all our wars did not benefit this country itself ; our social services are being hollowed out as we speak.
    Our billionairs are the only ones who don't care about the environment or the "little" people; their money is stashed safely somewhere and make sure they have an unpoluted place or island. They also absolutely do not care if the money they made was used to kill anyone. Furthermore who ever joins the military should know that they sell their "soul" to the "devil" called Pentagon, which guarantees your "robot" body gets a beautiful flag draped burial.
    Once you join, the only word you are allowed to speak is : Yes General (we've got at least 999 of them); the corrupt bureaucrats will from then on think for you. Now happy; I guess you prefer cheap made in China medals more than a healthy country where everyone has food on the table and a decent job. Are you surprised that they shoot at you, if you invade countries who never attacked us? Keep on dreaming.
    To clear up your obvious confusion, or disregard;

    "So you think a country is doing the right thing with its militarism?" That never was said nor implied.

    "Furthermore all our wars did not benefit this country itself." Again, that never was said or implied. Re-read my words. I said more than once that my comments for this discussion was based on the U.S.. But not excluding others. Just to make it clear.

    "I guess you prefer cheap made in China medals more than a healthy country where everyone has food on the table." I feel like I must ask: Did you read what I wrote in small chunks? Only picking out certain words and paraphrasing where you could? I made it clear I am not pro-war. But I am someone who has respect for others. And talking of medals the way you are is blatant disrespect. I understand it's frustrating, it is for everyone. But those words you are saying do no good. Only add to an already large pile of bad.

    So, to re-state myself:

    I am not pro-war.

    I do not want people to starve.

    I do not like hurting small children and puppies.

    I do not want to invade countries for zero reason.

    And... Go america.
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    ClayTaylorNC Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: ClayTaylor; So you think a country is doing the right thing with its militarism? The Pentagon is indeed the biggest employer here; actually a "social" workplace. If you would put these same people to work on our infrastructure or cleaning up our environment then 350 million people benefit from it; not just the rich suppliers of war junk only. Furthermore all our wars did not benefit this country itself ; our social services are being hollowed out as we speak.
    Our billionairs are the only ones who don't care about the environment or the "little" people; their money is stashed safely somewhere and make sure they have an unpoluted place or island. They also absolutely do not care if the money they made was used to kill anyone. Furthermore who ever joins the military should know that they sell their "soul" to the "devil" called Pentagon, which guarantees your "robot" body gets a beautiful flag draped burial.
    Once you join, the only word you are allowed to speak is : Yes General (we've got at least 999 of them); the corrupt bureaucrats will from then on think for you. Now happy; I guess you prefer cheap made in China medals more than a healthy country where everyone has food on the table and a decent job. Are you surprised that they shoot at you, if you invade countries who never attacked us? Keep on dreaming.
    To clear up your obvious confusion, or disregard;

    "So you think a country is doing the right thing with its militarism?" That never was said nor implied.

    "Furthermore all our wars did not benefit this country itself." Again, that never was said or implied. Re-read my words. I said more than once that my comments for this discussion was based on the U.S.. But not excluding others. Just to make it clear.

    "I guess you prefer cheap made in China medals more than a healthy country where everyone has food on the table." I feel like I must ask: Did you read what I wrote in small chunks? Only picking out certain words and paraphrasing where you could? I made it clear I am not pro-war. But I am someone who has respect for others. And talking of medals the way you are is blatant disrespect. I understand it's frustrating, it is for everyone. But those words you are saying do no good. Only add to an already large pile of bad.

    So, to re-state myself:

    I am not pro-war.

    I do not want people to starve.

    I do not like hurting small children and puppies.

    I do not want to invade countries for zero reason.

    And... Go america.
    Clay, I never said that you said these things in the first place; it was more or less to paint a picture on how we as a country actually are copying Hitler propaganda wise. I know that; have seen that; and have still the mental scars from it. So my excuses if I gave the idea it was meant for you.
    As an example about medals; my mother threw them away after my farther was murdered by Hitler. I also rather would have had a father instead of medals; that is where I'm coming from, hope you understand my background.