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  • Independent
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    Just on CNN; should we be scared of ISIS; my answer is "no"; which was only a 10% reply in their enquete.
    Why is my answer that? quite simple: There are many more daily things we should be scared of like; McCain, Lincey Graham, Rick Perry, lightning, earthquakes, sinkholes. bad drivers (more traffic death per year than 9/11), people with guns and the NRA, politicians, the tax man, the Pope, the churches and their lies, drugs, alcohol, weirdo's, Duck Dynasty, Fox news, bad building construction (9/11), potholes all over, GM recalls, over population of dogs and cats, Ebola doctors, 999 generals, polution of our waters and air, texting while driving, going for a throat check in NY, football players who beat their wifes and kids, etc etc.

    Anyway whatever happens with ISIS it will not affect our daily lives; I give Ebola a better chance, also because they want to sent "troops" down there, who also come back (or not?) I wonder on how "troops" are going to control the spread in an area of which they have no clue on how they live there especial the nonexistence of hygene.
    Obama must have forgotten his "Africa" time and gotten used to luxury. So another waste of mony and resources; we'll never learn.
    Everything here is either controlled by "money" the "military" or the "church" ; seemingly those are the only things which determine things here and make me scared.

    So Americans, don't be scared of the outside world; but be more scared of what happens in this country itself . Even ISIS can not match that yet!!
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    As expected FOX news upped the hype; they are now scared about our borders; wow Fox sure knows on how to use scare tactics. Even if any terrorist passes our border the effect of whatever is likely concentrated in a place far from your bed; Chances are that you get killed by a local gun or car accident are much higher; so why all the hype? because the Republicans prey on scare tactics and use it all the time to get their foot into the door.
    Wake up America; the Koch brothers are more dangerous than ISIS.
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    Hi Dutch: This is a good piece, about not being scared of ISIS. You make some good (& humorous) points. We are more likely to die from falling out of bed, than being killed by ISIS. But today's news said a guy with a knife jumped the White House gates and got all the way into the front door at the front portico. If ALL the Secret Service has to do all day, is "protect" the President and his family, how do they justify the fact that they did not even lock the front door? THAT is positively shocking. I think they should be FIRED for that.

    But just think of the "poor" Terrorists, it is so hard for them to be taken seriously. Nobody thinks we should even worry about them anymore.

    So they have now started taking out ADS in the New York Tymes, (& other publications):

    ------------------------------------ANYTIME YOU NEED A CRISIS

    ------------------------------------JUST CALL: 1 - 800 - ISIS

    ------------------------------------WE'LL COME EITHER NIGHT OR DAY

    ------------------------------------TO CHOP & CARRY HEADS AWAY

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    If only they specialized in Republicans and Fox News viewers the world would be a better place !
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    Hi pgr: I can always count on you, to see the meat of the matter: ) If the Jihad guys could only tell the Republicans from the Democrats, we could give them all a free Cruise over here, & give all of them a few dozen Ginsu knives, for being the first to sign up. I suppose the Cruise ship could always hit an iceberg on the way home, -- or whatever makes most of them capsize in these perilous days, of 21st century sea travel.
    Before you sign up for any cruise ship travel, always go visit a Psychic first. And then hire the Good Year blimp to hover over you at all times.
  • Democrat
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    This thread is so "Useless" as to minimize an identified threat (ISIS) as not to be concerned with. Dutch, I will not promote in America a similar travesty, as such, in what the Netherlands accomplished in Europe to invite the German Nazi campaign into their country and cowardly join the Nazi movement. I will not promote dropping guard on American interests, as such, when America relaxed and basking on the beach as Japan mobilized forces and attacked Pearl Harbor. I will not promote a decreased military presence overseas, as such, and allow a truck (bomb loaded) approach a Marine soldier barracks and kill over 270 soldiers in Lebanon. Also, in that Lebanon incident have a cowardly President (Reagan) pull forces out and run back home without pursuing the murderers. I will not promote any minimizing the threat that ISIS and other terror groups engages in continued attacks on America, our Allies and our interests within America and around the world.

    If your point is to make, we have many dangers to be aware of, than yes I agree. This world is a difficult life, however, as one who does travel around the world, contributes to sustaining life and humanity, and promotes many programs to the young, ill and poor in this country and abroad, I do not cringe when terror or threats are near me. Life should be a struggle in good against the bad, but it doesn't mean lessening the threat of a terrorist organization bent on genocide and proving itself by advertising to the world cutting off human heads. I will not hide like some on this post is identified.

    Yea, this thread is so thoughtless and a total disregard for common sense. It reeks of foul intelligence by people diverting a threat for some focus on something else. President Reagan did this when the Aids epidemic was identified (80's) by minimizing the importance of alerting America and reducing the funding (11%) needed to pursue medicine discovery to halt the AIDS epidemic. President Reagan used a philosophy that this epidemic must be good because it was eliminating gay life style in America. If we had people as this thread so eloquently creates generate the policy and attention on America what it should be involved in, "We the People" would be Russian territory by now or dead from a pandemic threat. I guess you all think Ebola is nothing but a common cold?

    I'm not giving into this lame brained idea that ISIS is not a threat to casually not be scared or concerned. ISIS continues to prove it is a large force mobilized for the sole purpose of genocide, as they publically advertise, "Convert or be killed". I'm glad we have better and more informed intelligent people managing America. From our armchair quarterbacking our government, we have to be careful and always ask the question, "what is it that they know, that I do not?". Most all of us in this post don't have a ant's rear-end amount of intelligence on the subject and we render opinions that are sometime dangerous to public thinking. I'm glad there are people in our military, government and law enforcement that continue with some intelligence and professionalism. I'm always never surprised in how human all of us are in making mistakes, even in our political arena, but we are blessed with many that have the control of making better decisions than we can. "We the people" use our power of the "VOTE" to make our peace with how society should evolve. I definitely would never vote for anybody minimizing the threats of ISIS.


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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: This thread is so "Useless" as to minimize an identified threat (ISIS) as not to be concerned with. Dutch, I will not promote in America a similar travesty, as such, in what the Netherlands accomplished in Europe to invite the German Nazi campaign into their country and cowardly join the Nazi movement. I will not promote dropping guard on American interests, as such, when America relaxed and basking on the beach as Japan mobilized forces and attacked Pearl Harbor. I will not promote a decreased military presence overseas, as such, and allow a truck (bomb loaded) approach a Marine soldier barracks and kill over 270 soldiers in Lebanon. Also, in that Lebanon incident have a cowardly President (Reagan) pull forces out and run back home without pursuing the murderers. I will not promote any minimizing the threat that ISIS and other terror groups engages in continued attacks on America, our Allies and our interests within America and around the world.

    If your point is to make, we have many dangers to be aware of, than yes I agree. This world is a difficult life, however, as one who does travel around the world, contributes to sustaining life and humanity, and promotes many programs to the young, ill and poor in this country and abroad, I do not cringe when terror or threats are near me. Life should be a struggle in good against the bad, but it doesn't mean lessening the threat of a terrorist organization bent on genocide and proving itself by advertising to the world cutting off human heads. I will not hide like some on this post is identified.

    Yea, this thread is so thoughtless and a total disregard for common sense. It reeks of foul intelligence by people diverting a threat for some focus on something else. President Reagan did this when the Aids epidemic was identified (80's) by minimizing the importance of alerting America and reducing the funding (11%) needed to pursue medicine discovery to halt the AIDS epidemic. President Reagan used a philosophy that this epidemic must be good because it was eliminating gay life style in America. If we had people as this thread so eloquently creates generate the policy and attention on America what it should be involved in, "We the People" would be Russian territory by now or dead from a pandemic threat. I guess you all think Ebola is nothing but a common cold?

    I'm not giving into this lame brained idea that ISIS is not a threat to casually not be scared or concerned. ISIS continues to prove it is a large force mobilized for the sole purpose of genocide, as they publically advertise, "Convert or be killed". I'm glad we have better and more informed intelligent people managing America. From our armchair quarterbacking our government, we have to be careful and always ask the question, "what is it that they know, that I do not?". Most all of us in this post don't have a ant's rear-end amount of intelligence on the subject and we render opinions that are sometime dangerous to public thinking. I'm glad there are people in our military, government and law enforcement that continue with some intelligence and professionalism. I'm always never surprised in how human all of us are in making mistakes, even in our political arena, but we are blessed with many that have the control of making better decisions than we can. "We the people" use our power of the "VOTE" to make our peace with how society should evolve. I definitely would never vote for anybody minimizing the threats of ISIS.
    Sorry, I give up on you; I guess you will never learn; do me a favor and stay in la la land with the door closed. You are a full fledged Republican and act as such. Your reply is absolutely ridiculous; did your house got blown up during 9/11; I don't think so. Neither will ISIS; much more likely an NRA member robbing your home and torching it.
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    Are we seeing our forebears as we observe ISIS? Is the region they're invading and desire to turn into a neo-Caliphate only different from North America in its other-hemispheric location? But are seeing a brutal insurgency to take over the realm and drive out or wipe out the "indigenous" peoples? Are the atrocities that are being committed in the name of Allah not that worse than what was done here in the name of Manifest Destiny and God? Was there, perhaps, never a greater slaughter than that of the "Indians", worse perversities than one realizes when reading comprehensively of American history? Squaw's tit tobacco pouch, a prize -- scrotum pouch for gun powder. And perhaps there was atrocity just as bad in retaliation if not preemptory at times.
    But it was our forebears who invaded and set the ravages and rampages off.
    Yet even if we can dare such retro-perspective, the past doesn't justify the reiteration of horror and massacre and cruelty in the present or future. So seein ISIS as "repetition of man's inhumanity to man" doesn't excuse it, perhaps doesn't permit us to just step back and say, "eh, that's their business". For if we can do something to help those being shot and slit and crucified and buried alive etc., don't we owe that to our fellow-humans? And if we don't and ISIS metastases (like cancer), especially the large populations of Muslims in European countries might represent cells expand their threats and enactments like tumors.
    And what, in view of situations evident, would be the effective response and protection against some oranization/insurgency of extremist Islam even in the U. S. We're so insulated (so far) from such threat except for how easily it could come to be that we aren't. It took two guys to do the court house bombin. It took seven A-rabs to knock down the twin towers. What if the targets had been "systemic" (such as water supplies) rather than structural? How quickly Christian civilization (and atheists too, and the wrong-sect Muslim) could be quite functional as "genocide-ees".
    Chaos in Bagdad was bad? Imagine a really devastating on New York City!!
    Far less than regiments of military took over Cambodia and imposed the time-lapse starvation-slaughter of anyone "westernize" or even educated or even wore glasses. ISIS could by "remote control" (little guy flies in on red-eye and takes cab and then dumps vial) not only be a threat to us, it could fatally infect us.
    And maybe that's a solution? Infect them?
    But before I continue on that strain of virulence and of thought, there are other threats. I just finished a book on the proliferation of survivalist and nativist American militias whose intent is to completely topple the government, kill even civil servants, take over everything. We have our own ISIS threat right here operating under the influence of variant Biblical interpretation of selected "line-item" passage that they read as granting them divine dispensation to kill representatives of . . . disagreement.
    We may have some rogue law enforcement that, given the chance, would eagerly turn their weapons not for protection of anyone, but in order to appropriate everythin they want for themselves. In the militia book, some information on such infiltrations was cited.
    But back to solution -- what do we do? What can we do?
    In the past I've made a couple suggestions regarding Midle East in general, Palestine & Israel, etc. I presented a level of seriousness, but to some extent a strain of satire.
    I'd like to have the Demohub constituency actually make suggestions, come up with possible solutions, present potential resolutions, even if drastic. Too much, here and elsewhere, it's just bitch and moan and reciprocities of contention that the other is a fool or is fooled.
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    Sorry, I was under the impression that most of the posts (above) were satire and humor. I did not for one minute take any of them very seriously. It was just a weak attempt to inject humor into a situation that is overwhelming to most of us. In case you did not notice, the AD from ISIS was only a Joke. There is no New York Tymes. And I have been scared awake many nights trying to figure out if America could survive a bunch of those Jihad guys coming over here with evil intentions. How to identify them, capture them & keep them constrained in some govt facility. It sounds like a gigantic nightmare. So instead of swiping pgr's flask of alcohol, I tend to amuse myself dabbling around in weird humor instead.
    This does not mean I take it any less seriously, or do not realize ISIS is a real threat, but I can't talk like they have succeeded in making terrorist threats, so we have to concentrate on that 24/7, (which would mean they have succeeded, in disrupting our lives & making themselves the big bad boogey man that paralyzes our lives & puts us all in crisis mode. That would make them all happy, which I actually do not intend to do.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Sorry, I was under the impression that most of the posts (above) were satire and humor. I did not for one minute take any of them very seriously. It was just a weak attempt to inject humor into a situation that is overwhelming to most of us. In case you did not notice, the AD from ISIS was only a Joke. There is no New York Tymes. And I have been scared awake many nights trying to figure out if America could survive a bunch of those Jihad guys coming over here with evil intentions. How to identify them, capture them & keep them constrained in some govt facility. It sounds like a gigantic nightmare. So instead of swiping pgr's flask of alcohol, I tend to amuse myself dabbling around in weird humor instead.
    This does not mean I take it any less seriously, or do not realize ISIS is a real threat, but I can't talk like they have succeeded in making terrorist threats, so we have to concentrate on that 24/7, (which would mean they have succeeded, in disrupting our lives & making themselves the big bad boogey man that paralyzes our lives & puts us all in crisis mode. That would make them all happy, which I actually do not intend to do.
    Just a question Eternal; why are you scared? I like to repeat what Schneider said here above:

    "But before I continue on that strain of virulence and of thought, there are other threats. I just finished a book on the proliferation of survivalist and nativist American militias whose intent is to completely topple the government, kill even civil servants, take over everything. We have our own ISIS threat right here operating under the influence of variant Biblical interpretation of selected "line-item" passage that they read as granting them divine dispensation to kill representatives of . . . disagreement"

    Sorry again the chances that you are killed here by your own people are much and much bigger than by ISIS people. I find it so typical that "church" people here are scared of their own shadows. I guess I know the reason; they are the most gullible insecure persons in the world; have an huge inferiority complex and do not thrust the human race but rely on imaginary things only which they can not prove so that makes them even more insecure.
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    I am not scared of ISIS. At least not yet. I do think that they are a destabilizing pain in the ass though. If not stopped they would expand to take all Arab nations one by one. After Iraq and Syria, next would be Jordan and Lebanon , then Kuwait. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco and Somalia next. After our exit Afghanistan....then Yemen, Qatar, Pakistan, Iran, and UAE. Last to fall would be Turkey and Saudi Arabia because the USA would step in. Indonesia would be a big prize as well. Many islands for ISIS on vacation. Forgive me if memory has forgotten any nations.

    According to 60 minutes, they are raising 3 million dollars a day. From oil sales of stolen oil at 30.00 per barrel, ransom, and extortion. They are getting funding from donations from citizens in many mid-eastern nations. Middle Eastern nations seem completely unable to enforce any laws. A few of the larger nations (Egypt, Saudi, Iran) don't have as much chaos because of decent military presence), but corruption is everywhere.
    It wouldn't stop the problem but I think the USA should find the ISIS leader and take him out with much force. Next leader, I would take him out with much force as well. Continue this while eliminating the next 15 leaders.

    I'll readily admit we have serious problems here at home. Most of those I fear will be with us forever. Guns won't go away. Health issues won't go away. Auto deaths won't end (hopefully they can be seriously reduced), corruption is here to stay along with greed. Trashing our water and air will continue as long as people are getting rich from it.
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    TJ Wrote: I am not scared of ISIS. At least not yet. I do think that they are a destabilizing pain in the ass though. If not stopped they would expand to take all Arab nations one by one. After Iraq and Syria, next would be Jordan and Lebanon , then Kuwait. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, Morocco and Somalia next. After our exit Afghanistan....then Yemen, Qatar, Pakistan, Iran, and UAE. Last to fall would be Turkey and Saudi Arabia because the USA would step in. Indonesia would be a big prize as well. Many islands for ISIS on vacation. Forgive me if memory has forgotten any nations.

    According to 60 minutes, they are raising 3 million dollars a day. From oil sales of stolen oil at 30.00 per barrel, ransom, and extortion. They are getting funding from donations from citizens in many mid-eastern nations. Middle Eastern nations seem completely unable to enforce any laws. A few of the larger nations (Egypt, Saudi, Iran) don't have as much chaos because of decent military presence), but corruption is everywhere.
    It wouldn't stop the problem but I think the USA should find the ISIS leader and take him out with much force. Next leader, I would take him out with much force as well. Continue this while eliminating the next 15 leaders.

    I'll readily admit we have serious problems here at home. Most of those I fear will be with us forever. Guns won't go away. Health issues won't go away. Auto deaths won't end (hopefully they can be seriously reduced), corruption is here to stay along with greed. Trashing our water and air will continue as long as people are getting rich from it.
    Tony; finally someone who makes sense; you at least think farther then" Fox" and "church" and "GOP" scare tactics alone. Sure I fully agree on your analyses; however the game is as follows; the major Arabic Muslim states will only let it go so far. They will only act if it has an impact on them, which is not the case yet. They are glad that these guys "invited" the US and others ( because they think the US is just about as bad as ISIS) and let us deal with it at first; so we get "hell" a lot of cost and casualties; then they will step in with the" broom" just to clean up after us. The US keeps forgetting that we are not liked in Muslim countries. So they just gamble that we stick our nosees into it and get some licking. The ISIS expansion which you mention likely will not take place, because all the countries you mentioned all have their own form of muslim doctrine and etnic culture; so they will keep doing what they are fighting now; without really joining ISIS.
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    Congratulations US!!! You managed to invade another country (Syria) Just add that to the list.
    The wasp nest just gets bigger; especially if we bomb heavely populated area's in Syria it will backfire in a huge way; then also the "moderates" will turn against us. So I wish the US luck. I think Bush will throw a huge party; with the statement " look what I all accomplished"
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    It's about time, countries and America are doing something. As it is heavily advertised, it is not just America but other interested countries in eliminating a genocidal threat. Identifying this as "in for the long haul" to complete eliminating a world danger has been long overdue. I'm a glad we have smarter people making decisions on this middle east drama that have helped endorse many other countries to wipe out terrorist groups. The world doesn't need unintelligent wimps in charge putting freedoms in peril by organizations, such as ISIL. It is time to stand for something rather than run away in fear or some stupid idea that ISIS will not attack anyone. ISIS has made is clear to the WORLD what their agenda is to anybody that opposes their imposed will on people. I'm proud to see some shock and awe placed on ISIS, because they need to know the outcomes of their failure in humanity.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: It's about time, countries and America are doing something. As it is heavily advertised, it is not just America but other interested countries in eliminating a genocidal threat. Identifying this as "in for the long haul" to complete eliminating a world danger has been long overdue. I'm a glad we have smarter people making decisions on this middle east drama that have helped endorse many other countries to wipe out terrorist groups. The world doesn't need unintelligent wimps in charge putting freedoms in peril by organizations, such as ISIL. It is time to stand for something rather than run away in fear or some stupid idea that ISIS will not attack anyone. ISIS has made is clear to the WORLD what their agenda is to anybody that opposes their imposed will on people. I'm proud to see some shock and awe placed on ISIS, because they need to know the outcomes of their failure in humanity.
    Again you keep forgetting (as quite a few writers also said) that we are the cause of all of this; now we have to clean up our own carbage at an other huge cost to us the taxpayer ; so how come you are so proud of a clean up operation after the mess we created? Like plenty of other people say 9/11 we did ask for that as well; the same applies for this. So be proud of our achievements around the world and at home. With the trillions spent on all these useless wars, we could have had the most wealthy country in the world if that money would then have been used in a Democratic way. Now it is totally wasted and helps bankrupting this country and everyone around the globe hates our guts because of our great corruption, briberies, war supplies to the wrong parties; and of course the meddling into their cultures. Some (well to do) Arabic countries support us now to prevent future interference by us in their countries; pure phycological they want to stay in power.