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Hillary admits that Bush (CIA) created Al Qaeda & ISIS

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    In all this talk and fear being generated about ISIS (aka ISIL) -- and the Big Puzzle about HOW TO FIGHT THEM, it may amaze you that this evil group BEGAN under George Bush (CIA) --- first named "Al Qaeda" (the base), used to fight the Soviets in Afghanistan. It was the group led by Osama bin Laden, who was supposed to be living in a cave in the mountains.

    Yeah, sure, an extremely wealthy guy from Saudi Arabia, is going to spend his life in a filthy hot cave. Just waiting for American soldiers to catch him. And then, he is going to give occasional PR speeches, by coming down the mountainside, wearing clean sandals & an immaculate ivory robe. (Since when do they have "laundromats" in those caves)? It was all so very phoney, it was ridiculous.

    We (the USA) paid for "arming" all those Al Qaeda troops, to get rid of the Soviets. But afterwards, they kept all the weapons we gave them, to use against America. (Alliances are very complicated in the era of Bush-whack Diplomacy). Cheney & ghouls lurking around the desert sands, like a twisted scene from Indiana Jones, paying bribes, selling their souls to the fastest sheik on camel-back. Some were from "Spooks Anonymous".

    FAST FORWARD: The "spooks" from Al Qaeda were getting bored, so they upgraded their operation, to stealing heavy armaments & military hardware from any vulnerable outlet. Enough fire power to takeover villages, for miles around. Eventually, Al Qaeda morphed into something
    more terrifying than we could imagine. ISIL and ISIS, the Islamic State in Iraq & Syria. (et al). Because the cowardly deserters of the Iraqi Army ran like whipped dogs, abandoning all the weapons we gave them, not to mention jeeps, Hum-Vees, & heavy artillery. All of this fell like ripe fruit into the hands of ISIL / ISIS -- (the supposed "enemy" we now have to overpower to get OUR OWN weapons back).

    But GET THIS: If Al Qaeda was "our" invention to fight the Soviets, & IT morphed into the ISIL & ISIS, which we have to fight now to stop the massacre (+ beheading) of innocent villagers, -- then WE CREATED ISIL & ISIS !!! WOW!! Do you feel your head whirling yet? (see video)

    http://youtu.be/SYKD_Qjhcwg

    (Hillary Clinton explains Al Qaeda)
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    An interesting story EF, however just who is this "commentator" supposedly bringing us these revelations? I see the Fox News logo on the monitors behind him which leads me to believe it's just more of Fox News anti Obama propaganda based on half truths and misinformation otherwise they wouldn't be afraid to say just who they are and would be happy to publicize their actual goals. We have a history of supporting the wrong side and then flip flopping around as the wind blows supporting whomever is politically expedient at the moment.
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    Anyway like I've said many times all our meddling inthe world will eventually backfire. The US thinks you can rule the world with "money" and "bribery" and weapons alone; I've got news for them; it does not work!! It must be an inferiority complex that we never won a war since WWII. But yeah, I've not seen an other mentality pop up so the "Bush" ego's are still in force in our government; even Cheney dared to get on TV and open his mouth; while he belongs in jail. Fox or no Fox; if people here only get "brain fed" by them or the "military/church", no wonder they follow the "herd" and approve stupid things; because they think our leaders are "super" humans. I've never seen a country where they are so gullible in "believing", without thinking about what they are being fed with.
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    We have known for a long time that Al-Qaeda was a monster we created, so I'm not quite sure I follow you here. George H.W. Bush was Vice President during the Russian-Afghan war, not CIA Director. He was the CIA director from '76-'77--three years before the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

    Bush I was not the President who began the arming of the Mujahideen fighters. That distinction belong to President Carter, who began arming the Mujahideen in 1979. Reagan and Bush I then continued and expanded this policy, but Bush I was President for less than one month when the conflict ended. He only gets credit because it ended after he took office, but any person who knows history understands that he had little to nothing to do with anything in Afghanistan.

    Now, we can have a discussion about his decision to pull all of our resources out of Afghanistan after Russia pulled out, but that is hardly the same thing as saying that he is solely responsible for creating Al-Qaeda.

    There is also little to no direct correlation between the Al-Qaeda that we have been fighting in Afghanistan and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. The only correlation would be that they both hate America, but that's about it. ISIS is made up of disenfranchised Sunni's, many of whom are former members of the Iraqi Army under Saddam Hussein, and Sunni militants fighting Bashar al-Assad in Syria. They are a low-grade terror organization that knows how to make one to two minute videos an average high school kid with a computer and internet connection can make. They also know how to rob banks and happen to have convinced a few rich Sunnis to funnel them some funds. They are not some all powerful entity that can bring America to its knees and we shouldn't treat them as such. We should treat them as a menace that is wreaking havoc on a piece of land the size of Jordan.
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    But it makes for good news stories and scares the bejesus out of all the under informed. It's just like Ebola, make a bunch of scary predictions about the next pandemic that's going to ravage the USA and everyone starts to wet their pants. Of course the fact that it's no more of a real threat to us than ISIS means nothing to the average citizen it's all Obama's fault - John McCain and Lindsey Graham told us so - it must be true!
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    jaredsxtn Wrote: We have known for a long time that Al-Qaeda was a monster we created, so I'm not quite sure I follow you here. George H.W. Bush was Vice President during the Russian-Afghan war, not CIA Director. He was the CIA director from '76-'77--three years before the Russian invasion of Afghanistan.

    Bush I was not the President who began the arming of the Mujahideen fighters. That distinction belong to President Carter, who began arming the Mujahideen in 1979. Reagan and Bush I then continued and expanded this policy, but Bush I was President for less than one month when the conflict ended. He only gets credit because it ended after he took office, but any person who knows history understands that he had little to nothing to do with anything in Afghanistan.

    Now, we can have a discussion about his decision to pull all of our resources out of Afghanistan after Russia pulled out, but that is hardly the same thing as saying that he is solely responsible for creating Al-Qaeda.

    There is also little to no direct correlation between the Al-Qaeda that we have been fighting in Afghanistan and the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. The only correlation would be that they both hate America, but that's about it. ISIS is made up of disenfranchised Sunni's, many of whom are former members of the Iraqi Army under Saddam Hussein, and Sunni militants fighting Bashar al-Assad in Syria. They are a low-grade terror organization that knows how to make one to two minute videos an average high school kid with a computer and internet connection can make. They also know how to rob banks and happen to have convinced a few rich Sunnis to funnel them some funds. They are not some all powerful entity that can bring America to its knees and we shouldn't treat them as such. We should treat them as a menace that is wreaking havoc on a piece of land the size of Jordan.
    "Jared" Sure, but which ever way you look at it; we've got our noses into it but do not know how to blow our noses; You clearly indicated that we get ourselves involved in all kind of things in the world which we have no clue whatsoever to resolve with our own screwed up system here. It is the simple thruth; you just can't dictate the world on how Americans think or act and then push this down their throat. Our thinking is not always in line with others on this globe; so get used to that Americans. Amen
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    Dutch Wrote: "Jared" Sure, but which ever way you look at it; we've got our noses into it but do not know how to blow our noses; You clearly indicated that we get ourselves involved in all kind of things in the world which we have no clue whatsoever to resolve with our own screwed up system here. It is the simple thruth; you just can't dictate the world on how Americans think or act and then push this down their throat. Our thinking is not always in line with others on this globe; so get used to that Americans. Amen
    I am by no way justifying our involvement in countless nations conflicts. We have inserted ourselves into an innumerable number of conflicts and we have reaped what we sewed, but we should also be cognizant of the facts. That is all I was responding to.
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    pgr: I apologize, I was working late last night, & put on the "wrong" video (above). I have "replaced it" with the one I intended, but there are still things that need proving. Fox News may have been the original source for that first one. I was just focusing on HILLARY and what she said, because no matter who she is talking to, she tells the TRUTH, and as First Lady, as Senator for New York, as Secretary of State, I believe that she knows what she is talking about. Also, many years ago, I posted about the CIA having trained Osama bin Laden, & that al qaeda was the name of the group he led. Many news articles recently have said that ISIS (aka ISIL) has morphed out of the original Al Qaeda, & become radicalized into the terrorist group we see now, cutting off heads & threatening vast destruction. You reap what you sow. (As Hillary said).

    Bush #43 knew the Bin Laden family personally, since they invested in his OIL business: Harken Energy & Arbusto. The family of Osama bin Laden are immensely wealthy, & I think there were 54 brothers & sisters in his family. They have investments all over America, & the father was with Daddy Bush the day before 9/11 at some place (in New York?) they were doing Stock Market tradings. Georgie Bush & Rumsfeld were often over at the palace of Saddam Hussein, making deals of weapons for oil. There are many news photos of the 2 of them together.

    The Bin Laden family also have offices in Paris France, and in Switzerland. In Saddam Hussein's palace, a mosaic tile artwork is embedded in the floor in front of one of the offices, -- it is a mosaic picture of Daddy Bush. (You remember Daddy Bush invaded IRAQ, due to a dispute over the little territory of KUWAIT. (?) America had to send troops over there over that one. It only lasted about a MONTH, but it was terrifying since our troops all had to jump into their gas masks & hazmat uniforms, due to the alarms going off, signalling a serious poison gas attack.

    This whole episode was rather "manipulated" by Daddy Bush, since Saddam had always been a good ally of ours, & had dutifully asked our State Dept (under Daddy Bush) IF he (Saddam) could go take back Kuwait, since it was once a territory that belonged to Iraq, & now Saddam needed some extra revenue (from the oil wells there) to pay off a debt. Saddam made the request, if he could take Kuwait back as a territory, from the Bush
    State Dept (specifically from April Glaspie) & she got the OK & told Saddam, go ahead. Then, the minute Saddam started sending troops to Kuwait, Daddy Bush reversed course & immediately sent US troops over there, to "protect" Kuwait. It seems a bit like a typical snafu.

    BUT in that interim, Daddy Bush remembered that HE owned a few oil wells in Kuwait, & did not want Saddam Hussein to get ahold of them, so VOILA, -- we have many of our young men & WOMEN in uniform, risking poison gas attacks, & going thru Hell in an unnecessary conflict.

    (There are those who believe that every member of Skull & Bones (if they ever become President) must start at least ONE WAR, while in office. It is a solemn oath they take (in the Tombs bldg at Yale) & they all know that stock market revenues will go up & the "insiders" will know about it in advance, so the "fix is in" for more GOP Yale guys to PROFIT from another WAR. You can just hear it, going "ka ching, ka ching" all over America. It only lasted about a month, but by then, George #41 had satisfied his "Bones" obligation, & all is well).

    Daddy Bush was involved in the Bay of Pigs invasion (Cuba) during the JFK administration. (1960-1963), & was at the scene of oil rigs being built (possibly as a cover) while US arranged to invade Cuba & take it away from Fidel Castro. The US had put Castro into office there, & soon afterward, Castro announced that he was a Communist. (Now, 54 years later, our CIA has never been able to force him out of there).

    While Georgie Bush (JR) was President, we did the Shock & Awe bombing of IRAQ, (March, 2003) since Bushie thought Saddam Hussein had something to do with the 9/11 attack in New York. (Bushie always was bad at geography & logic). So he bombed the wrong nation for the wrong reason. Not only was it a "war crime", it was the most unnecessary devastation of a country in world history. When Bushie screws up, he REALLY screws up. (Remember, I suggest strongly that we have IQ tests for men who want to be President. And if they are AWOL during their National Guard gig, that should tell you something).

    This may seem unimportant to some, but it is at least "interesting" to most of us Christians, that IRAQ is the location of the ancient Biblical "Garden of Eden" (where God created Adam & Eve). Many say the Bible is "not true" & nothing but lies or superstition, but that only proves they have never read it.

    Genesis 2: 8-17 approx, tells the garden of Eden, & names 4 rivers (which you can geographically see on any map). I will come back right after supper & briefly tell exactly WHERE these areas are. Names of the rivers, etc.
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    While al-Qaeda is a product of our meddling in the Middle East, Bush-41 was CIA director in the late 70's, before the the Soviet invasion. And al-Qaeda wasn't officially formed until the late 80's when Bush-41 was still Vice President under Reagan.

    If the author got those dates wrong, it makes me really skeptical of the rest of the story.
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    eternal flame Wrote: This may seem unimportant to some, but it is at least "interesting" to most of us Christians, that IRAQ is the location of the ancient Biblical "Garden of Eden" (where God created Adam & Eve). Many say the Bible is "not true" & nothing but lies or superstition, but that only proves they have never read it.

    Genesis 2: 8-17 approx, tells the garden of Eden, & names 4 rivers (which you can geographically see on any map). I will come back right after supper & briefly tell exactly WHERE these areas are. Names of the rivers, etc.
    King's Cross station is a real place (which you can geographically see on any map). It even has an address. And you can physically visit this place and see the trains running. Anyone who who says Harry Potter is nothing but fiction only proves they have never read it.

    Do you see how logically absurd that argument is? Just because a place in a story might be real, does not make the entire tale non-fiction.
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    Zach F Wrote:
    eternal flame Wrote: This may seem unimportant to some, but it is at least "interesting" to most of us Christians, that IRAQ is the location of the ancient Biblical "Garden of Eden" (where God created Adam & Eve). Many say the Bible is "not true" & nothing but lies or superstition, but that only proves they have never read it.

    Genesis 2: 8-17 approx, tells the garden of Eden, & names 4 rivers (which you can geographically see on any map). I will come back right after supper & briefly tell exactly WHERE these areas are. Names of the rivers, etc.
    King's Cross station is a real place (which you can geographically see on any map). It even has an address. And you can physically visit this place and see the trains running. Anyone who who says Harry Potter is nothing but fiction only proves they have never read it.

    Do you see how logically absurd that argument is? Just because a place in a story might be real, does not make the entire tale non-fiction.
    Eternal, Wow; I'm glad you found that place; when are you going to move to it?. ISIS will welcome you with open arms and a knife. But may be the decendants of the talking snake are still alive (what was the lanquage this thing spoke; no bibles or dictionairy's around yet for millions of years) and of course apple trees. May be you find those at Publix with a sticker made in Iraq. I told you many times you and AMC live in la la land, so that is likely the "garden" your talking about. Get real pls.
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    I get tired of people trying to insinuate that I am illogical - because I believe in the Bible. Like 80% of Americans do, including the Founding Fathers. But I uphold that anyone has the right to believe whatever they want, including being an atheist. That is our freedom of religion.

    Now about Logic -- I wonder how Harry Potter in the 21st century -- comes even CLOSE to Adam & Eve, in pre-historic times, before there were books or scrolls, or even carved rocks. Before there was a spoken language, or even people alive to talk to. This goes back to the actual age of CREATION, when swirling atoms in space began to merge in the primordial ooze and form living organisms. Before there was even pond scum. All of the early years of Evolution have been condensed into a few dozen years. Naked people (like African natives a few centuries ago) walked the earth, & possibly lived in the trees. They may have even been monkeys, since our evolutionary history shows many genetic similarities. But over time, they developed civilization, agriculture, spoken language, rational thought, & moral Laws.

    Writing on scrolls & carving on stones, were the earliest literature found in the Pyramids & caves, & the temples in Israel. (Islam religion did not appear until 600 years after Christ). But somehow the story of Adam & Eve was passed down to all the succeeding generations. It was simplified, like you would explain something to a child. It takes a fairly mature mind to truly understand the entire history, so the Myth was passed along for centuries. However, they tell of the first humans on the earth, & where they were. A "garden of Eden". NOW, HOW DO WE, Modern People of a civilized world, know WHERE the first human beings lived on planet Earth?

    But there was a set of scrolls in Jewish temples, that contained the entire Hebrew History. And over the centuries, scholars had read them & many had translated them, & because one man (Jesus Christ) happened to be a JEW --- NOW, the Jewish Torah has become the first 5 (five) books of the Christian Bible. It is pure HISTORY of the Jewish tribes. Those sacred scrolls contained: the first 5 books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy.

    In Genesis, the FIRST book of the Christian Bible (& an ancient scroll in the Jewish TORAH) we read about the GARDEN of EDEN. It is the only record of the beginnings of life on planet Earth. // In GENESIS 2: 7 "And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground, & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." // GENESIS 2: 8 "And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there he put the man whom he had formed." // GENESIS 2: 9 "and the Lord God made to live every tree that is pleasant to see & good for food, the tree of LIFE also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." // GENESIS 2: 10 "and a river went out of Eden, to water the garden, and from thence it was parted into 4 heads." // GEN 2: 11 "the name of the first is Pison, that encompasses the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold," // GEN 2: 12 "and bdellium and the onyx stone." // GEN 2: 13 "and the name of the second river is Gihon, and it encompasses the whole land of Ethiopia." // GEN 2: 14 "and the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which goeth toward the
    east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates." // GEN 2: 15-17 "and the Lord God put the man into the Garden of Eden, to dress it and keep it." And God commanded the man saying, "Of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat, But of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day that thou eat of it, thou shalt surely die."// THIS WAS a TEST to see if mankind could possibly be totally OBEDIENT. And I guess we FLUNKED on the very first try. That pesky serpent just had to TEMPT EVE - You just can't trust a snake: )

    But now you can look at a Globe (or map) & see where the 4 rivers are. Where Ethiopia is, & Assyria = Mesopotamia (1450 B.C.), & the other places along the Euphrates River. (It flows right by Baghdad in IRAQ). And somewhere there are the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the wonders of the ancient world. The biblical palace of King Nebudchanezzer was still in IRAQ, before Bush bombed the Hell out of that area.
    *** This is just to PROVE that the biblical "Garden of Eden" was a "real place" that existed in ancient times, & is now known as IRAQ.
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    eternal flame Wrote: Gee Zach, I got A's in Logic in college. And A's in Debate. I also took Philosophy & Religion, & History of the World from 500 B.C. to the late 1970's. And I also got A's in Physics & Statistics & IBM computer programming. Not to mention 4 years of Spanish. I get tired of people trying to insinuate that I am illogical - because I believe in the Bible. I have said many times that I have studied at least a dozen religions, & I know all their weaknesses, but I CHOOSE to believe, and that is MY CHOICE. I also do not care what YOU want to study or believe, since we have freedom of religion in America, & that includes your freedom to be an atheist -- or to be a Peloponesian Frog Worshipper.

    Now about Logic -- I wonder how Harry Potter in the 21st century -- comes even CLOSE to Adam & Eve, in pre-historic times, before there were books or scrolls, or even carved rocks. Before there was a spoken language, or even people alive to talk to. This goes back to the actual age of CREATION, when swirling atoms in space began to merge in the primordial ooze and form living organisms. Before there was even pond scum. All of the early years of Evolution have been condensed into a few dozen years. Naked people (like African natives a few centuries ago) walked the earth, & possibly lived in the trees. They may have even been monkeys, since our evolutionary history shows many genetic similarities. But over time, they developed civilization, agriculture, spoken language, rational thought, & moral Laws.

    Writing on scrolls & carving on stones, were the earliest literature found in the Pyramids & caves, & the temples in Israel. (Islam religion did not appear until 600 years after Christ). But somehow the story of Adam & Eve was passed down to all the succeeding generations. It was simplified, like you would explain something to a child. It takes a fairly mature mind to truly understand the entire history, so the Myth was passed along for centuries. However, they tell of the first humans on the earth, & where they were. A "garden of Eden". NOW, HOW DO WE, Modern People of a civilized world, know WHERE the first human beings lived on planet Earth?

    But there was a set of scrolls in Jewish temples, that contained the entire Hebrew History. And over the centuries, scholars had read them & many had translated them, & because one man (Jesus Christ) happened to be a JEW --- NOW, the Jewish Torah has become the first 5 (five) books of the Christian Bible. It is pure HISTORY of the Jewish tribes. Those sacred scrolls contained: the first 5 books of the Old Testament: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, & Deuteronomy.

    In Genesis, the FIRST book of the Christian Bible (& an ancient scroll in the Jewish TORAH) we read about the GARDEN of EDEN. It is the only record of the beginnings of life on planet Earth. // In GENESIS 2: 7 "And the Lord God formed man out of the dust of the ground, & breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living soul." // GENESIS 2: 8 "And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there he put the man whom he had formed." // GENESIS 2: 9 "and the Lord God made to live every tree that is pleasant to see & good for food, the tree of LIFE also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil." // GENESIS 2: 10 "and a river went out of Eden, to water the garden, and from thence it was parted into 4 heads." // GEN 2: 11 "the name of the first is Pison, that encompasses the whole land of Havilah, where there is gold," // GEN 2: 12 "and bdellium and the onyx stone." // GEN 2: 13 "and the name of the second river is Gihon, and it encompasses the whole land of Ethiopia." // GEN 2: 14 "and the name of the third river is Hiddekel, which goeth toward the
    east of Assyria. And the fourth river is Euphrates." // GEN 2: 15-17 "and the Lord God put the man into the Garden of Eden, to dress it and keep it." And God commanded the man saying, "Of every tree of the garden, you may freely eat, But of the tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, thou shalt not eat of it, for in the day that thou eat of it, thou shalt surely die."// THIS WAS a TEST to see if mankind could possibly be totally OBEDIENT. And I guess we FLUNKED on the very first try. That pesky serpent just had to TEMPT EVE - You just can't trust a snake: )

    But now you can look at a Globe (or map) & see where the 4 rivers are. Where Ethiopia is, & Assyria = Mesopotamia (1450 B.C.), & the other places along the Euphrates River. (It flows right by Baghdad in IRAQ). And somewhere there are the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, one of the wonders of the ancient world. The biblical palace of King Nebudchanezzer was still in IRAQ, before Bush bombed the Hell out of that area.
    *** This is just to PROVE that the biblical "Garden of Eden" was a "real place" that existed in ancient times, and is now known as IRAQ.
    Sorry you claim you have studied; sure you can study all you like, if you study the wrong things or books; then you still don't know anything, especally if you program your brain to absorb only those things what suits you in an already pre-programmed mind.
    Your Genesis nonsense is absolute ridiculous. First of all none of any first forms of people (evolution from a "cell" to a water creature; to an land based creature) took millions of years. Second writing was learned about 8000 years ago; so you tell me that the first "fishy like people" wrote down things and a few million years later they still knew exactly what happened in full color and wide screen. What a total joke!!
    Sorry you have never studied anything at all!!
    The people who wrote that barely 8000 years ago had no clue whatsoever, nor had a science lab or seen a dinosaur. So why do you keep fooling your brain? One thing for sure they had great fantasy's and would have been great designers of a theme park. Anyway who cares about fantasy land in Iraq nowadays; sure that helps a lot!!! Sorry it is now the garden of ISIS and goats; no apples, may be non talking snakes and scorpions.
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    Eternal, it is difficult to render "logic" to those that do not possess the synapses to put it all together. History is recorded on many media formats and during the conception of the Biblical texts, there are papyrus writings, clay pots and stone walls that took years to develop, are still existing to be found. When they are located by some archaeological dig they are studied for decades and findings are herald in professional archaeologist digests for the world to read.

    While in college, I required some credit for my pursuit of degrees. One course I took and loved everything about it was "Archaeology History and the Bible". It was taught by a professional archaeologist, who herself was in a devout order of Catholic Nuns. She came to class with her books and that shawl of a head piece so noticeable as we see Nuns in public. She was much older than many professors, however, she had a gift of historical knowledge and had accomplished archaeological digs around many locations in the middle east. She had a weathered sun dried complexion that exhibited, she had been on the beach much too long or she has seen many deserts in her life time. She had many sayings about her experiences in the middle east, but one in particular has stuck with me for decades. She repeated often, "that in order to search for archaeological digs in the middle east, archaeologists carry a Bible, in fact many versions of the Bible". Apparently, those mounds of sand you may see in desert, they may be "Tells", which is the term used by archaeologist's defining a location where there is possibly a buried structure form history. She often will tell the many instances where the Biblical text's or scripture are like roadmaps to where these "Tells" are located.

    So, your narrating of Babylonian history is correct, especially from what I have read in history. However there are many who respond on this thread that will just refuse to believe, because that is how they are wired. Be like the teacher, you do your best and if they still refuse to learn, than just forget about their misfortunate circumstances of going through the world being unintelligent.
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Eternal, it is difficult to render "logic" to those that do not possess the synapses to put it all together. History is recorded on many media formats and during the conception of the Biblical texts, there are papyrus writings, clay pots and stone walls that took years to develop, are still existing to be found. When they are located by some archaeological dig they are studied for decades and findings are herald in professional archaeologist digests for the world to read.

    While in college, I required some credit for my pursuit of degrees. One course I took and loved everything about it was "Archaeology History and the Bible". It was taught by a professional archaeologist, who herself was in a devout order of Catholic Nuns. She came to class with her books and that shawl of a head piece so noticeable as we see Nuns in public. She was much older than many professors, however, she had a gift of historical knowledge and had accomplished archaeological digs around many locations in the middle east. She had a weathered sun dried complexion that exhibited, she had been on the beach much too long or she has seen many deserts in her life time. She had many sayings about her experiences in the middle east, but one in particular has stuck with me for decades. She repeated often, "that in order to search for archaeological digs in the middle east, archaeologists carry a Bible, in fact many versions of the Bible". Apparently, those mounds of sand you may see in desert, they may be "Tells", which is the term used by archaeologist's defining a location where there is possibly a buried structure form history. She often will tell the many instances where the Biblical text's or scripture are like roadmaps to where these "Tells" are located.

    So, your narrating of Babylonian history is correct, especially from what I have read in history. However there are many who respond on this thread that will just refuse to believe, because that is how they are wired. Be like the teacher, you do your best and if they still refuse to learn, than just forget about their misfortunate circumstances of going through the world being unintelligent.
    AMC, as usual you duck realty; human writing is only about 8000 years old; caves or no caves; someone (genesis?) put something on hairy deteroriorated goatskin; I guess he/she? did not dig for it. Sure you can find archaeological items; however none of them date back millions of years when the first "form" of our ancesters crawled out of the sea after the lava cooled. (they likely did not talk or even wrote things in caves; barely could crawl om their frog feet; and programmed their brain only to be able to survive like all animals and living things) So use your brain and realize who ever wrote this only 8000 years ago, did not have any clue on how humanity started. You are beating around the bush like all Christians do. Reality is an unknown entity in your brain. Keep on digging for a fossil which is part fish part land animal; have it analysed that it is indeed millions of years old; when you find this give me a call; especially if it is holding a "bible" between its froggy legs.
    By the way carrying a "bible" as an archeological researcher; then you are already pre-programmed to "fix" things; yes this piece of petrified wood came from the coffin of Mozes or the surfboard of Jesus; or may be a petrified toenail of Abraham shows up. Wow; what a revelation!!
    Eternal and AMC. pls go to the "promised land" (you will love the sand and culture) and search for Adam's fig leave which he held in front of his........ ; may be if you found some ancient "frog bones" which looked a bit like Bush, then you are lucky; or has Adam resurrected and played in the series; Naked and not Affraid?