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Kerry claims we are not at war

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  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    I'm getting a bit sick of the "wording" game played in Washington; Kerry says no this no war but just a "chase' after terrorists like in Somalia and Yemen. The White House says it is a war, So who is right?

    The news makes a big deal out of that; crazy!! Regardless of what it is it will cost us billions which we don't have. But let the fun start.

    In my point of view it is another aggression on another sovereign country (Syria) by the US; I call that "war" ; war equipment is used; people will die etc. In the meantime ISIS is growing rapidly with more and more members. Guess what I predicted this many years ago; the more the US meddles in this world with money bribery and weapons sales to corrupt countries the more the lower classes in these countries will hate us. The more "drones" we throw at them the more recruits will join them. Sorry our government still does not understand that picture. I saw only one person on CNN who did understand that, but was turned away quickly because a "retired" general knew it much better. I'll just sit back and watch this disaster unfold; I wish this country lots of luck if it continues with these policies.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Although Korea was a "police Action" and not a war, there were several Medal's of Honor awarded to servicemen for gallantry and heroism under fire which is a term that denotes a hot war, Viet Nam, I don't know what the hell that was and I was there!! again several wartime medals for heroism and gallantry under fire were awarded, Bosina and Kosova both were not wars but again war time pensions and promotions were granted, so my point is it doesn't matter what we call it, shooting at another country's military without congressional approval is still war. it's been said that since the politicians decided to conduct the war rather then allow the General's to do it , the U.S has not won a victory over it's foes.
  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Dutch Wrote: I'm getting a bit sick of the "wording" game played in Washington; Kerry says no this no war but just a "chase' after terrorists like in Somalia and Yemen. The White House says it is a war, So who is right?

    The news makes a big deal out of that; crazy!! Regardless of what it is it will cost us billions which we don't have. But let the fun start.

    In my point of view it is another aggression on another sovereign country (Syria) by the US; I call that "war" ; war equipment is used; people will die etc. In the meantime ISIS is growing rapidly with more and more members. Guess what I predicted this many years ago; the more the US meddles in this world with money bribery and weapons sales to corrupt countries the more the lower classes in these countries will hate us. The more "drones" we throw at them the more recruits will join them. Sorry our government still does not understand that picture. I saw only one person on CNN who did understand that, but was turned away quickly because a "retired" general knew it much better. I'll just sit back and watch this disaster unfold; I wish this country lots of luck if it continues with these policies.
    I agree with much of what you say Dutch, but the problem is that our constitution is very specific when it comes to the word 'war.'

    Article I, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution reads that the Congress has the power "To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water." These aren't just words on a piece of paper, but are the rules that are supposed to govern us.

    Don't think that I'm trying to disagree with you here though. I would love to have a discussion about the Patriot Act and, more importantly, the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Terrorists. Our Congress willfully and deliberately abrogated their duties and gave the Executive the legal ability to have unchecked powers when it comes to waging wars as long as the Executive is doing it in the name of 'fighting terrorism.' It's time that we fight back against this and demand our Legislative Branch actually do the job they are Constitutionally mandated to do.
  • Center Left
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    Denton, TX
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    Dutch Wrote: I'm getting a bit sick of the "wording" game played in Washington; Kerry says no this no war but just a "chase' after terrorists like in Somalia and Yemen. The White House says it is a war, So who is right?

    The news makes a big deal out of that; crazy!! Regardless of what it is it will cost us billions which we don't have. But let the fun start.

    In my point of view it is another aggression on another sovereign country (Syria) by the US; I call that "war" ; war equipment is used; people will die etc. In the meantime ISIS is growing rapidly with more and more members. Guess what I predicted this many years ago; the more the US meddles in this world with money bribery and weapons sales to corrupt countries the more the lower classes in these countries will hate us. The more "drones" we throw at them the more recruits will join them. Sorry our government still does not understand that picture. I saw only one person on CNN who did understand that, but was turned away quickly because a "retired" general knew it much better. I'll just sit back and watch this disaster unfold; I wish this country lots of luck if it continues with these policies.
    We aren't at war. Only Congress can declare war and it hasn't done so. There is no sovereign country to even declare war on (just groups of people who reside in certain countries but don't control them and aren't the government of them). We are currently operating in a morally grey area where anyone who isn't on the side of US interests can be labeled a terrorist and declared an enemy. It seems to be a "with us or against us" policy which I'm not okay with at all.

    Saying we are at "war" is wrong. It implies that we have come together as a country and made a democratic decision to send our military into harms way. People need to understand that the military actions that the US has partaken in the last few decades have been decisions of one person and not a result of any kind of congressional vote nor debate. The Wars Powers Act is way too broad in the power it gave the Executive Branch by bypassing the checks and balances of the Legislature.

    So, I'm going to have to disagree with ya here. We are not at war and we should not be trying to convince people that we are.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    Zach F Wrote:
    Dutch Wrote: I'm getting a bit sick of the "wording" game played in Washington; Kerry says no this no war but just a "chase' after terrorists like in Somalia and Yemen. The White House says it is a war, So who is right?

    The news makes a big deal out of that; crazy!! Regardless of what it is it will cost us billions which we don't have. But let the fun start.

    In my point of view it is another aggression on another sovereign country (Syria) by the US; I call that "war" ; war equipment is used; people will die etc. In the meantime ISIS is growing rapidly with more and more members. Guess what I predicted this many years ago; the more the US meddles in this world with money bribery and weapons sales to corrupt countries the more the lower classes in these countries will hate us. The more "drones" we throw at them the more recruits will join them. Sorry our government still does not understand that picture. I saw only one person on CNN who did understand that, but was turned away quickly because a "retired" general knew it much better. I'll just sit back and watch this disaster unfold; I wish this country lots of luck if it continues with these policies.
    We aren't at war. Only Congress can declare war and it hasn't done so. There is no sovereign country to even declare war on (just groups of people who reside in certain countries but don't control them and aren't the government of them). We are currently operating in a morally grey area where anyone who isn't on the side of US interests can be labeled a terrorist and declared an enemy. It seems to be a "with us or against us" policy which I'm not okay with at all.

    Saying we are at "war" is wrong. It implies that we have come together as a country and made a democratic decision to send our military into harms way. People need to understand that the military actions that the US has partaken in the last few decades have been decisions of one person and not a result of any kind of congressional vote nor debate. The Wars Powers Act is way too broad in the power it gave the Executive Branch by bypassing the checks and balances of the Legislature.

    So, I'm going to have to disagree with ya here. We are not at war and we should not be trying to convince people that we are.
    Sure I won't argue; which ever way you look at it whatever you call it, it is going to cost us dearly in money and perhaps lives; so what's in a name.
    I only wanted to point out how childish our government is related to "expressing themselves" about a subject you and I know will bite us one way or an other.
  • Independent
    Ft.myers, FL
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    By the way this was also discussed on CNN; they interviewed some senators; one of them said ; Just bomb them and we'll talk later. So actually no one wants to stick its neck out except Obama is kind of forced too by the media and the 999 generals. Also they said as with any coalition which Kerry is trying to arange that "on paper" it looks good but in reality, only a few will show up hesitantly.
    Anyway sorry to say Zach; war or not war, the cost and mess stays the same; I guess we agree on that!! So it does not matter what you call it.
    A turt remains a turt !!!