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Conspiracy Theories, Anarcho-Capitalism, and World Government


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    Hello all, I am new to the site and wanted to get a gist of the majorities thoughts on the current 'fads' that are being promoted by the likes of Alex Jones, Stefan Molyneux, and some libertarians. More specifically, I am speaking of the following notions:

    1. There is a group of secretive uber-rich men who are working toward a one world government, and monetary system, in order to take control of the whole world and put all of us into some kind of slavery.

    2. Government is always bad, b/c power corrupts, and therefore we don't need it. What we need is unrestrained free market economics and that will fix everything. "I shouldn't have to pay for someone else's healthcare!"

    3. All of the problems that are making America "fail" today are happening (or have happened) due to the infringement on (or straying away from) the Constitution of the United States (i.e. - unconstitutional mandates like the Federal Reserve).

    I should note that I recently had a quite lengthy gun control debate with a Libertarian type on Facebook and toward the end of the debate he plugged his new website (http://wakefromthedream.wordpress.com/) while using arguments that sounded very similar to the ones above.

    Your thoughts?

    median
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    #1 - Already fact. The US Congress & Supreme Court is owned by the uber rich. #2 - Totally false. Less government means more power for the uber rich we need more, honest, government free from the moneyed interests of the wealth and corporations! #3- Totally false again. The problems of today are caused by Right Wing, religious zealots and Libertarian Conservatives. These are the forces that try to drag us back to the Middle Ages. Look at gun control, for example, fifty years ago no one would be walking around carrying a weapon openly, much less in a school or bar or church. Today thanks to the cowardly legislators and Supreme Court this is considered not only allowable under the Constitution but desirable. The Constitution is now being interpreted to mean whatever those in power want it to mean, not the other way around.
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    Ditto to the above. Very wise man (pgr).
    median, Your profile sounds good. I hope that you enjoy the site.
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    TJ Wrote: Ditto to the above. Very wise man (pgr).
    median, Your profile sounds good. I hope that you enjoy the site.
    Sure, I agree; thanks for calling PGR a wise man, I'll second that (he's also a great craftsman; good with his hands as well; uses these also to drink beer!!)
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    Cheers!

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    Hello "median": Glad to hear you have "seen the light" --- as they say: ) What or who was responsible for your perceptual
    renaissance? What can possibly alter the Ego of a right-winger? (Sort of the impossible dream, -- like waking the Dead).

    Having spent several years "discussing" (& "cussing") with Birchers, it is eye-opening to even Imagine there could be an awakening of the Mind,
    even on an "instinctual" level. Usually, after mopping up the blood, & applying a tourniquet, I limp away, sobbing into my hankie.

    WELCOME ABOARD. This bunch will always keep you entertained. Even when occasionally sober...
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    Conspiracy theories have long been popular in this country, and likely existed long before Joe McCarthy went on his witch hunt in the 1950's.

    The latest group to spout conspiracy theories is QAnon, and they were heavily influenced by an Arizona man named Milton William Cooper, who was killed in 1991.

    https://www.azcentral.com/in-depth/news/local/arizona-investigations/2020/10/01/behold-pale-horse-how-william-cooper-planted-seeds-qanon-theory/3488115001/

    When authorities killed William Cooper in a burst of gunfire outside his hilltop home in eastern Arizona, he was an author and radio host who had attracted a rabid following among UFO buffs, prisoners and the militia movement.

    For them, his book, “Behold a Pale Horse,” and nightly shortwave radio show lifted the veil on how the world actually works.

    Nearly 30 years after its publication, “Behold a Pale Horse” remains a bestseller, finding new audiences for whom Cooper’s warnings — of a cashless society, a socialist order that devalues work, the confiscation of weapons, global leadership usurping the sovereignty of the United States — still resonate.

    Cooper’s work describes a conspiracy that is timeless: Nearly all that has been told to you is illusion. If you think shadowy forces are pulling the strings, it is because they are. Don’t trust anybody and be on guard. Citizens must soon fight for what they hold dear.

    Even though many have never heard of Cooper, his dark, conspiratorial thinking has endured and been amplified. He was a forerunner to the conspiracy theorists of today such as Alex Jones — with whom Cooper feuded.

    One audience that found “Behold a Pale Horse” is the Patriot wing of the Republican Party. In an invitation-only Facebook group, some members of Patriot Movement AZ, a group of far-right Republicans, traded their thoughts on conspiracy theories and their hatred of Muslims and immigrants. Members of the group have also become influential in the Arizona Republican Party.

    The book has also attracted followers of the conspiracy theory known as QAnon, which falsely casts Democrats as doing the bidding of globalists in order to shield their perversions, including devouring babies for their nourishing blood.

    (When our friends in Minnesota converted to the Baha'i religion in the early 1970's, my very Catholic mother-in-law accused the Baha'i religion of eating babies at their service) .

    QAnon adherents believe an anonymous figure inside government is sporadically posting cryptic clues to corruption and the perpetrators of child-sex crimes using various online bulletin boards — the shortwave radio of modern times. The anonymous source of the information is “Q,” named for the level of top secret clearance he’s purported to have.

    One adherent, Jake Angeli, has intentionally made a spectacle of himself by appearing at Arizona protests wearing a fur hat topped with horns and carrying a weathered sign that reads, “Q sent me.” Angeli said he has researched the secretive groups he believes control the world — Illuminati, Trilateral Commission and Bilderberg group, among others — and felt validated by finding Cooper mentioned them in his book.

    Angeli said that the government needed to kill Cooper to silence him.

    “When you really do enough research, it all ties together,” he said.

    Another tie: In “Behold a Pale Horse,” Cooper claimed to have Q-level security clearance.

    Among fans of Cooper’s shortwave show was a man from Kingman named Timothy McVeigh. According to the FBI, McVeigh owned a videotape about the botched federal raid of the Branch Davidian compound in Waco, Texas, called, “Waco, The Big Lie," that Cooper had promoted. An agent noted that McVeigh's copy had a Show Low, Arizona, address on it, indicating McVeigh ordered it from Cooper.

    In June 2001, Cooper would make a prediction that would earn him the legacy as the man who predicted the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

    Cooper pulled on historical threads of tragic events and tied them to what he saw as the government and media colluding to make a boogeyman out of Osama bin Laden. Cooper predicted an awful event would soon occur in the United States and that the country’s leaders would blame it on bin Laden.

    On Sept. 11, 2001, the day his prophecy was realized, Cooper stayed on air for 10 hours. According to audio archived on the Cooper tribute website, BeholdAMessenger, in the initial hours after the attack, Cooper theorized the towers of the World Trade Center came down by controlled demolition.

    https://beholdamessenger.com/

    That theory would become the center of future conspiracies suggesting the 9/11 terrorism attacks were an inside job by the U.S. government.

    Cooper’s death at the hands of police brought more credibility to his message, said Sexton, the author. “That spoke to people,” Sexton said. “He believes. He wasn’t just putting these things out there, but lived the life.”

    Sexton said he sees Cooper’s ideas bubbling up in the Patriot wing of the Republican Party. He heard them from people he interviewed at Trump rallies during the 2016 campaign.

    Years ago, I read "Catcher in the Rye", but until the 1997 film, "Conspiracy Theory", I had no idea that it was tied to conspiracy theories.

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    A Trump supporter recently told a focus group that he believed Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden secretly used high-tech contact lenses to win the first 2020 presidential debate.

    Writing in The Bulwark, professional messaging coach Rich Thau explains that he has been seeing more conspiracy theories about Biden pop up in answers to focus groups he’s conducted during the 2020 campaign.

    Other voters in the focus group recited talking points from the QAnon conspiracy theory.

    “This whole child predator ring that’s going around in Hollywood and how [Trump’s] got information on it and he may expose it,” one woman said. “That’s kind of important. I have a small child.”

    Thau admits that he’s used to focus group voters saying ignorant things, but he said some of these latest comments “nearly broke my poker face.”

    https://www.rawstory.com/2020/10/watch-trump-voter-tells-focus-group-that-biden-may-have-used-magic-contact-lenses-to-win-debate/

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    I guess this country will be described in the history books as an terrible "island" cult who imported all the "nutheads" of the world and let them freely roam. It is kind of amazing that these "idiots" always "pop-up" when there are elections or "strange " things are going on. There must be something in the water here, or the "air". Also I'm quite sure that there are not enough "mental" institutes here to absorb the masses of idiots here. That is what you get if "education" here is lacking to teach what life on earth is all about. Right now the cellphones and media is "educating" people, not the schools.

    Since this country lacks the proper "behavior things" in society and only money counts, also in election, then this non-culture becomes an "decease" in no time. The "debate" clearly showed where the problem is. ( bully's think they win; no brains needed) Laws of 1800 don't cut it!!! Neither a zillion highly paid lawyers will help.

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    The McCain Institute has joined with more than 75 other organizations nationwide that work to combat human trafficking in signing a letter decrying misinformation spread by the QAnon conspiracy theory.

    Trump has claimed to not know much about QAnon other than that its followers are supporters of his and that they are against people having sex with children. "I do know they are very much against pedophilia. They fight it very hard," he said during a nationally televised town hall event this month. “But I know nothing about it.”

    https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/local/arizona-breaking/2020/10/21/mccain-institute-denounces-qanon-says-trafficking-claims-politically-motivated/3718621001/