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Never Mind Being Cut by the Ravens, Ray Rice Needs to be Behind Bars

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  • Strongly Liberal Democrat
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    Ray Rice is out of a job now that the Baltimore Ravens fired him and the NFL suspended him indefinitely after a damning new video showing him brutally punching his now wife in the face and then dragging her out of an elevator following a dispute between the two. The incident happened months ago and Rice was already serving a two game suspension after video showed him dragging his fiance out of an elevator and callously dropping her on the ground, but did not show him actually punching her. How the NFL decided that Rice dragging his unconscious girlfriend out of an elevator only warranted a two game suspension, but then drop the hammer on him when video showing him punching her surfaces shows that the NFL has an extremely long way to go in addressing this issue.

    Today's video only gives us more questions than answers as to what in the world the NFL was thinking in suspending a player who was video taped dragging his fiance out of an elevator for two games, but didn't decide to investigate more into the issue and seemingly tried to sweep the whole thing under the rug. It also makes me wonder if the NFL was in possession of this tape the entire time. I don't buy it for one second that they didn't investigate whether there was a video camera inside the elevator. If they are being truthful when they say that today was the first they ever saw it then the entire division of the NFL that conducts investigations needs to be fired for negligence.

    Here's what I think happened: the NFL and the Ravens knew exactly what happened that day and wanted to keep this whole thing under wraps. The fact that his fiance decided to stay with him is her decision alone and something I will not even begin to try to judge. However, just because she decided not to press charges doesn't mean that Rice shouldn't have been fully investigated. The NFL, and to a greater extent, professional sports, are woefully behind the curve when it comes to fighting this problem. It is absolutely unacceptable to put your hands on a woman, let alone punch her in the face. It makes me sick that he will not be facing any serious charges in this blatantly felonious battery. Jeffrey Toobin of CNN put it perfectly when he said that the charges Rice plead to are a 'disgrace' and that the District Attorney overseeing the case 'embarrassed the country, [and] embarrassed themselves.

    Has anyone been following this case? Are you as angry as me at the NFL and judicial system for seemingly allowing a woman abuser to walk free because he was a professional athlete and they wanted to keep it under wraps? What has our judicial system come to in this country where this is acceptable?
  • Center Left
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    I agree with you entirely that the NFL was sweeping this under. I can't imagine Rice, any of his people, or the NFL reps being stupid enough not to investigate this to the fullest with it happening in a public place as it did. Most all elevators have cameras in them now. Especially in places that high paid athletes reside/visit. I would say after it happened Rice went to his people and explained, then the video was seized (most likely paid for) and thought never to be seen. Though there's always room for error in cases like this.

    What I'm hoping doesn't happen is the situation escalates between Rice and his wife. I can see an obvious abuser who's completely worn down, losing his career that he holds dear, and turns to her to entirely blame it on. That is very bad.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Mrs. Rice has come out defending her husbands actions and saying that this a personal matter that should be left alone by everyone else and let them resolve the issue themselves. So I don't believe Ray would hold his wife responsible for this leaking of the video, but then again it appears that Ray does have some serious anger management issues and I hope he doesn't take his anger out on his wife simply because she was there.
  • Center Left
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    After the weak 2 game suspension, I emailed the NFL and complained that it was not a good message to send. Many are calling for the resignation of the NFL commissioner. I don't think that will happen. Mr. Obama has stated that a real man doesn't hit a women. At the very least.... the issue is being talked about. Most are on the right side. At least it will help raise public awareness and reinforce the message that violence should not be accepted. I'm sorry to say that his wife supporting Ray Rice screams of either fear or her following the source of money.
    It's pitiful that the wealthy NFL didn't get this footage before acting. It implies that they didn't want it. (Don't forget the commissioner works for the owners) TMZ paid for the footage. The NFL could have done the same thing.
  • Center Left
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    Janay Rice has come out defending her husband. She says that this incident is a private issue, which would be technically true except for two things. The incident occurred in public and assault is illegal and he should be prosecuted. From the video, it looks like he hit her, stepped back, then knocked her out when she came after him. That is assault.

    Janay also slammed the NFL for terminating his contract that Rice "worked his ass off" to earn. I'm sure he worked his ass off, but he didn't work his ass off to follow the stipulations of the contract. Which I'm sure has an "image" or a "behavioral" clause of some sort. So the NFL is within their right to terminate the contract if they choose.

    Janay then also slammed the media. She claimed that they were just trying to destroy their happiness for ratings. I'll be the first to admit that the media does a lot of stuff for ratings, but when a high profile celebrity drags his unconscious girlfriend out of an elevator, that is a newsworthy thing. Domestic abuse is a serious issue in this country and bringing attention to it can help many battered women in this country.

    Janay has made the decision to stay with her husband. Some people will say it is because that is mentality of battered women. Some will say it is because of money. She says it is because of love. And the only thing we can do it make sure she knows that she has a place to go if she chooses to leave, but that is a decision that she ultimately has to make.

    As for Ray Rice, what he did was deplorable and there is ample evidence to take him to court and get an assault conviction.
  • Center Left
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    Roger Goodell, What did he know and when did he know it ? We seem to be involved in a "Cover Up". That's bad. The tape was sent to the NFL (in April) and a voice mail seems to confirm receipt of it. Was it watched ? If not - WHY NOT !!!! NFL is now dealing with an ugly bad image. Advertisers don't like that and that equals money.

    Keith Olbermann: "Roger Goodell is a Nixon and this is a Watergate" I couldn't have said it better.
    Many provocative comments are coming out this morning. This may cause the commish to lose his very high paying job. You can only sweep so much under the damned rug. ESPN and actual news channels are talking a lot about this. GOOD !

    N.O.W. is calling for the resignation of Roger Goodell. According to their president, since his leadership of the NFL, there have at least been 50 cases of domestic violence that rose to the level of charges being filed. Action was taken in none of them. N.O.W. says the NFL doesn't have a Ray Rice problem. They have a violence against women problem.
  • Democrat
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    Maybe Mr. Goodall should have a morality clause installed in all contracts, which should cover Summary Offenses, Misdemeanor charges as well as Felonies and any Civil judgments against the player, also the arrests should be treated differently than a conviction, with a step up for each subsequent repeat offense, or even another arrest in a completely different matter, as this might show a tendency to flaunt the rules of society.
  • Center Left
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    Let them be. She loves her husband and he loves her. Every woman has suffered domestic voilence in one way or other and domestic voilence is committed every second.
    If this issue pushes Mrs Rice out of her matrimony, another woman will be taking her place in seconds.
    My advice to Raven: Hold onto your man. You know what you want. Don't let public opinion sway you. Remember the clinton issue? Hilary did not let the public decide for her and that was the best decision.
    To NFL, let football be football. The players play to earn a living not to be role models.
    To politicians; We have bigger political issues to spend our time pushing a young woman out of her marriage with our views. We have ISIS to fight and our economy to handle.
    GET out of their business!
    She(Raven) has spoken and Ray Rice's supporters have shown support.
  • Democrat
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    Responding to the "Woman" post on this Rice subject, I am baffled by the odd characterization of this post. My wife and I support a woman's shelter with donations and assistance. After the Rice event occurred a local news story evolved about this woman's shelter and it was disclosed the shelter and others in the city are crammed to over capacity. Anybody who has had anything to do with women shelters knows that the predominant problem that these women faced to send them in the direction of finding shelter is abuse. Many of the shelters are in secret locations, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find them. Most of these women are there from an abusive relationship from a husband or boy friend.

    Seeing the Rice woman getting knocked out in the elevator was a cowardly act by the guy who hit her. He received his satisfaction taking out a frustration on her. That is lame as lame can be for any man or adult acting without regard to relationships and humanity.

    I cannot agree on anything "Woman" has written on this issue and I believe she herself is a victim of accepting violence as a means to keep whatever life this person may have. Woman are most always victims of abuse and do not educate themselves to leave the situation until death occurs. These women are sick and have no self pride in their accomplishment leaving everything to the spouse to decide their fate. Sorry "Woman", but you are entirely wrong on this issue and I think "You" need help if you believe this garbage in human behavior.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Responding to the "Woman" post on this Rice subject, I am baffled by the odd characterization of this post. My wife and I support a woman's shelter with donations and assistance. After the Rice event occurred a local news story evolved about this woman's shelter and it was disclosed the shelter and others in the city are crammed to over capacity. Anybody who has had anything to do with women shelters knows that the predominant problem that these women faced to send them in the direction of finding shelter is abuse. Many of the shelters are in secret locations, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to find them. Most of these women are there from an abusive relationship from a husband or boy friend.

    Seeing the Rice woman getting knocked out in the elevator was a cowardly act by the guy who hit her. He received his satisfaction taking out a frustration on her. That is lame as lame can be for any man or adult acting without regard to relationships and humanity.

    I cannot agree on anything "Woman" has written on this issue and I believe she herself is a victim of accepting violence as a means to keep whatever life this person may have. Woman are most always victims of abuse and do not educate themselves to leave the situation until death occurs. These women are sick and have no self pride in their accomplishment leaving everything to the spouse to decide their fate. Sorry "Woman", but you are entirely wrong on this issue and I think "You" need help if you believe this garbage in human behavior.
    AMC, I fully agree. "money" blinds people here including women; as I said many times this country is run by "money" everywhere; I guess if your husband makes millions then you take a beating and be happy with it. Don't you think it is time to admit you live in a very sick country? Take gun control, Ferguson ( discrimination) having "drones" kill anyone even kids we don't like. Having wars in countries who never attacked us. etc etc.
  • Democrat
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    I don't want to start another thread but it is now being reported the Adrian Patterson of the Vikings, a super star running back has been indicted for Child Abuse, should his punishment be the same as Rice's although it's only an indictment.
  • Center Left
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    To: Woman,
    New member huh ? I start off by doubting your credibility. Your user name is gender based yet you don't support the decent treatment of your gender. Very questionable. Money isn't a reason for anyone to accept poor treatment. Not only did Ray Rice punch her with a closed fist and left handed (his stronger hand) he also spit on her repeatedly. His actions in general are why he's being punished. Nobody said that she should leave him. That's her choice. There's no doubt though that he's under much scrutiny. And rightfully so. I would expect much more from you in future postings. His wife has far more rights than just following the money.

    p.s. Her name is not Raven....... That's the name of his team = Ravens, Her first name isn't Baltimore either.

    JC,
    Start a new thread if you want to change the topic/subject.
  • Democrat
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    TJ Wrote: To: Woman,
    New member huh ? I start off by doubting your credibility. Your user name is gender based yet you don't support the decent treatment of your gender. Very questionable. Money isn't a reason for anyone to accept poor treatment. Not only did Ray Rice punch her with a closed fist and left handed (his stronger hand) he also spit on her repeatedly. His actions in general are why he's being punished. Nobody said that she should leave him. That's her choice. There's no doubt though that he's under much scrutiny. And rightfully so. I would expect much more from you in future postings. His wife has far more rights than just following the money.

    p.s. Her name is not Raven....... That's the name of his team = Ravens, Her first name isn't Baltimore either.

    JC,
    Start a new thread if you want to change the topic/subject.
    Sorry Tony, I just wanted to know for comparison sake if the same treatment will be applied to Mr. Patterson, he is a scratch from this weekend's game, a child abuser , he reportedly beat his child(spanked) with a small tree branch (switch?) is the lowest of the low when it comes to criminal behavior and I wouldn't want to give him any more attention.
  • Center Left
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    What you call a tree branch / ESPN calls a switch. He was applying the same form of discipline that he received as a child. In this day and age, any discipline towards a child that goes beyond a lengthy conversation is considered suspect. I don't know the specific details yet but I believe AP to be a good man. Time will tell. Not all discipline is child abuse !!!!! I think that is part of the problem these days...... not enough children receive any discipline in their formative years.
  • Democrat
    Philadelphia, PA
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    Sad isn't it, spare the rod spoil the child, for all the Dr. Spock believers, the chickens have come home to roost.