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It's a Grand Day at Sea.....Sir!

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  • Democrat
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    I recently received an email from a good friend who keeps me informed on worldly events. Both of us enjoyed our careers in engineering and his had several years working in the Department of Defense before we started working together in Transportation. He sent me an update on the US Navy's new aircraft carrier development. All I could say was..........wow! I was impressed and quickly noticed technology advances that were far beyond my old aircraft carriers having served on both the USS America (CVS-66) and USS Kitty Hawk (CVS-63).

    The new carrier scheduled to be commissioned 2016 is the USS Gerald D. Ford (CVN-78). It's impressive and shows an art of warfare deterrence. The next aircraft carriers in line with the new construction era (CVN-21), which is a moniker for the 21st century are USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) and the USS Enterprise (CVN-80). While these new carriers come on line in defending America there will be future announcements of huge advances in technology. The new USS Ford will have the new pilotless radar evading aircraft, which will deliver payloads and attack threats both in the air and on land. Being pilotless, these new drones will be able to fly faster and maneuver much more agile than any pilot can perform. Also, there will be the new F35 all purpose aircraft, missile systems, laser weapons and automated systems that make this new carrier a volatile threat to any terror around the globe.

    Yes, it will be grand day at sea when these new carriers are commissioned. Of course those that have ever served aboard a carrier know that in battle a carrier has a very short life expectancy, however, it depends if the attacking force knows how to evade the destroyers, cruisers and those pesky submarines that carry a lot of threat just themselves. All these forces protecting the carrier makes a carrier battle group extremely dangerous to an enemy force.

    Just search on new aircraft carriers or the Ford aircraft carrier and you see the links informing readers on future developments in America's arsenal. It makes this old sailor proud to be an American. I waiting for the announcement on the new USS Enterprise...........beam me aboard, Scotty!
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: I recently received an email from a good friend who keeps me informed on worldly events. Both of us enjoyed our careers in engineering and his had several years working in the Department of Defense before we started working together in Transportation. He sent me an update on the US Navy's new aircraft carrier development. All I could say was..........wow! I was impressed and quickly noticed technology advances that were far beyond my old aircraft carriers having served on both the USS America (CVS-66) and USS Kitty Hawk (CVS-63).

    The new carrier scheduled to be commissioned 2016 is the USS Gerald D. Ford (CVN-78). It's impressive and shows an art of warfare deterrence. The next aircraft carriers in line with the new construction era (CVN-21), which is a moniker for the 21st century are USS John F. Kennedy (CVN-79) and the USS Enterprise (CVN-80). While these new carriers come on line in defending America there will be future announcements of huge advances in technology. The new USS Ford will have the new pilotless radar evading aircraft, which will deliver payloads and attack threats both in the air and on land. Being pilotless, these new drones will be able to fly faster and maneuver much more agile than any pilot can perform. Also, there will be the new F35 all purpose aircraft, missile systems, laser weapons and automated systems that make this new carrier a volatile threat to any terror around the globe.

    Yes, it will be grand day at sea when these new carriers are commissioned. Of course those that have ever served aboard a carrier know that in battle a carrier has a very short life expectancy, however, it depends if the attacking force knows how to evade the destroyers, cruisers and those pesky submarines that carry a lot of threat just themselves. All these forces protecting the carrier makes a carrier battle group extremely dangerous to an enemy force.

    Just search on new aircraft carriers or the Ford aircraft carrier and you see the links informing readers on future developments in America's arsenal. It makes this old sailor proud to be an American. I waiting for the announcement on the new USS Enterprise...........beam me aboard, Scotty!
    Sure we need more of this junk; anyway someone got rich building this useless piece of metal. Sorry a total waste of our tax money; don't we have enough war junk already, may be we can give this to the police as well after it has been sitting collecting rust.
    AMC, it is much safer for you to stay in la la land. You can stop drooling about this rust bucket; it won't help you; no high speed trains; and other useful things for our society; we need this like a hole in the head!!!
  • Independent
    Massachusetts
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    Rather than billions (total expenditure) for aircraft carrier for airplanes, the use of which has been acknowledged as not sufficient to stem the insurgency in Iraq and militancy elsewhere. . . . . wouldn't it better to "built" zones? Instead of a all that expense and all those personnel that will be aboard, wouldn't allocation and emplacement be more efficacious around various cities of the Middle East countries besieged than floating upon the ocean?
    Better use of money and materiel and manpower would be circumferential installments on the oceans of sand wherein populations of potential victims live. Victims proximately of ISIS . . . and were our military actions to be launched or shot from afloat, victims of massive "collateral damage". We should be providing protection for the thousands of people who are fleeing the onslaught of violence from the land. But we're spending billions for
    a "floating military metropolis"??
    If Israel can be protected via US/ally provision of various venues (including "iron dome" tech), why not cities of those who are not our enemies . . . yet . . so they won't become such either through being over-run and force-coerced, or simply turning against us who've turned a blind eye to their plight? With surveillance tech, it wouldn't even require a brick-and-mortar actual wall.
    Considering further the "neo-paradigm" of INTERnational threat, isn't building yet another conventional exorbitance of cost and containment of manpower (and not extensive life-expectancy noted by the writer to whom I respond herewith) . . . what strategic importance is such to protect anyone anywhere (even on our shores) from a variant of 9/11 terrorism to an exponential?? Viral rather than explosive . . . .
    Let there be massive, multi-billion dollar devices built.
    The meantime, let the women and children and elders flee their homes unescorted.
    Bomb and drone-down the insurrectionist leaders, replaced in a "whack-a-Muslim-mole" milieu of inefficacy.
    Yet we don't secure sanctuaries for those others "of the Book" who are the actual victims of ISIS and Qaeda.
    No, we should NOT DEMILITARIZE. But so much of what we've got is actually obsolete in the present contexts and on continents and especially high seas. And the level of tech weaponry and ancillary equipment is either far beyond what ISIS and Boco and Lord's Liberation etc. have . . . or some of it ends up in their hands. We don't need hyper-tech to fight phantasmagorical configurations of foe. In ways, excess tech vs. insurgents/terrorists is somewhat analogous to what more cohesive and regimented Redcoat formations would have been vs. the "jungle warfare" of US revolutionaries.

    But the basic concern I address here is that for what we have spent on military maneuvers (including topplings), the returns have been devastation, alienation, deaths of the innocents in multiples of the enemy, and "regime-recidivism" in all those countries of broken "Arab springs". At this point, with what we should have learned, with what we're willing to spend (and even personnel-expend), we should be defending the people and their premises by means of whatever perimeter/border/zoning/even mining necessary. It's not like the over-there of concern is a meg-metropolis. The cities are significantly separated, though some, themselves, large.
    Considering each, with all its plain people inhabitants, as our fellow-humans who need a place to live, whose plight is not a "return" but just to be able to stay put . . . . considering each of actually very few cities as if a "little-Israel" of the oppressed . . . . . .
    Is launching an air craft carrier really effective . . . . even rational . . . . ?
    Humanitarian??
    Whassatmean????
  • Democrat
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    Launching these huge military projects provides a technological boon to commercialization and new consumer products. The new engineering taking place uses 3D planning and these plans go straight from the conception to the construction after through testing and analysis. This new engineering concept goes into our automobiles, planes and improving our infrastructure. Also, there is new metallurgical advancement in this new carrier planned as rust resistant in salt water, which is big issue keeping boats in the water longer. As the new metal is poured into molds for the super skin of the ship, it provides commercial products for all of us in our daily lives. Than we have all the automated systems, weapons, communications, radar, and even waste disposal technical improvements. The waste is treated prior to being exhausted overboard into the ocean. This is a green engineering improvement for saving our world from all the past pollution from ships. The USS Gerald D. Ford is a major start and step forward into a new world of engineering and a defensive weapon protecting American interests around the world.

    Quit being so blind as to not recognize the splendid acts of human achievement. If you only act in conflict with a weapon of destruction and see no requirement for it, than so be it. You would rather allow America to be held hostage from terror groups, Russia, and China that come knocking on you door to herd you into internment camps and/or genocide. There are many in the world who desire our American lands, wealth, and prosperity, but not willing to compete with us in the world of business. They only want you to move out of their way. If this ever happens, you will be the first to wish you had supported more carriers like the USS Gerald D. Ford.

    Protect your country or you will loose it. Support your military and law enforcement around our nation. As for the sailors now stationed on the impending commission of the USS Gerald D. Ford, "God Speed and Good Sailing awaits you all".
  • Independent
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    I've never seen in my life so much total nonsense; masses of words; not one scrap of common sense. Why waste all your time on doing this?
    Please do me a favor stay in la la land. If there are more people like you then no wonder that this country will go down the drain a bit faster.

    Read what Mike Eproht wrote:
    They (the GOP) want us to balance the budget on the backs of the elderly, the poor, and the disabled. They don't, won't, can't show any humanity or share. They will keep starting wars to sell their bullets, guns, tanks, helicopters, and planes and keep accusing us of being unpatriotic if we don' go along.

    Your love for all the wastefull "killing" tools is a sickness; so see a non-army specialist!
  • Liberal
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    Better still take the wife to Water World and get it out of your system! We don't need anymore stinkin' ships!
  • Center Left
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    I have to agree. These ships must cost a fortune. The politicians in whatever ship building state (Virginia ? Maryland ?) must love the jobs. However, how many of these damned ships do you need anyway ? We probably already have more than are needed. Of course you love the features on these new ones. It would probably be far less expensive to equip older ships with new technology than it would be to completely build new ones. But if they didn't build this....... how would Gerald D. Ford get his name on anything. Another waste of tax dollars.
  • Democrat
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    It's like the old saying, "you don't take a knife to gun fight". Anyway, you all are not thinking how old and used up these older ships are they pass in time. If carriers are not in vogue than China and Russia wouldn't be building them, which they are. We have a Naval Fleet to maintain and as these ships pass into the bone yards, new ones with "new" technology and "new power plants" and systems more advanced and green compliant than ever before, it makes perfect fiscal sense to continue the planned scheduled of building these ships. It's just like all the armed services that replace their older spent up tools of the trade with newer and advanced weaponry. If America would do as you all suggested we would have no military and our citizens would be forced to convert to Islam or be killed. The old WWI/WWII/Korea/Vietnam and even Gulf war weapons are useless in tomorrows conflicts. Yes, you don't take a knife to gun fight. The technical spinoffs on these advanced weapons create a great commercialization of new products for all of us. Although true and some would question is the spending levels to support advancing tools for the military, Americans can rest assure that you can sleep better at night knowing there's a great Naval fleet protecting the sea from any approaching terror. But of course, you don't think and only think of yourselves as champions to peace and will be the first running to caves when the bad people come. I choose to fight for freedom and hold it dear to my livelihood, so chomp away at your right to speak vile things against our country, because many of us "GAVE" you that right.

    Support our Military and America! Save your energies to fight against the opposition in more important issues like voting rights, women rights, racial injustice, drugs, immigration, gun control, education, jobs, and the list goes on......... You just waste you life away on fighting against those that protect and defend America from elements bent on our destruction and terror.

    If you are interested on the new carriers planned for the forthcoming years, I encourage you to look at the new submarines, destroyers, fast attack surface ships, landing platforms and that's just the Navy. The Army, Air Force, and even the Coast Guard are into new hardware for their use in the war against America. I'd say the Marines, but all of us in the Navy know the Marines are part of the US NAVY.
  • Liberal
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    All nothing but old news and methods of "protecting" ourselves. Pork barrel opportunities for blow hard Congressmen to keep their base dumb and happy.
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: It's like the old saying, "you don't take a knife to gun fight". Anyway, you all are not thinking how old and used up these older ships are they pass in time. If carriers are not in vogue than China and Russia wouldn't be building them, which they are. We have a Naval Fleet to maintain and as these ships pass into the bone yards, new ones with "new" technology and "new power plants" and systems more advanced and green compliant than ever before, it makes perfect fiscal sense to continue the planned scheduled of building these ships. It's just like all the armed services that replace their older spent up tools of the trade with newer and advanced weaponry. If America would do as you all suggested we would have no military and our citizens would be forced to convert to Islam or be killed. The old WWI/WWII/Korea/Vietnam and even Gulf war weapons are useless in tomorrows conflicts. Yes, you don't take a knife to gun fight. The technical spinoffs on these advanced weapons create a great commercialization of new products for all of us. Although true and some would question is the spending levels to support advancing tools for the military, Americans can rest assure that you can sleep better at night knowing there's a great Naval fleet protecting the sea from any approaching terror. But of course, you don't think and only think of yourselves as champions to peace and will be the first running to caves when the bad people come. I choose to fight for freedom and hold it dear to my livelihood, so chomp away at your right to speak vile things against our country, because many of us "GAVE" you that right.

    Support our Military and America! Save your energies to fight against the opposition in more important issues like voting rights, women rights, racial injustice, drugs, immigration, gun control, education, jobs, and the list goes on......... You just waste you life away on fighting against those that protect and defend America from elements bent on our destruction and terror.

    If you are interested on the new carriers planned for the forthcoming years, I encourage you to look at the new submarines, destroyers, fast attack surface ships, landing platforms and that's just the Navy. The Army, Air Force, and even the Coast Guard are into new hardware for their use in the war against America. I'd say the Marines, but all of us in the Navy know the Marines are part of the US NAVY.
    When are you going to stop spewing your utterly nonsense; like I said many times you are totally brainwashed; in these days you have to change your defense strategy; look at the ISIS thing; it is no longer wars like country fighting countries; no this has changed into entities who seldom have any ties to a country. So our tactics have to change. Warships and nuclear stockpiles and huge bombers are only useful if you are planning to fight a full scale WWIII. If you feel we should do so, be my guest!! Sorry the other writers are right; it has nothing to do with our defense; only with spending tax money so in the end the filthy rich can add some more to their wallet; that is the only objective. Again "army's" nor their equipment give a better life in the US; because it does not produce anything at all useful for any society; the "workers" benefit is actually the same as given them "food stamps" this does not produce anything either. Fixing our infrastructure ia a million times a better investment than any Navy ship.

    The scare tactics in this country are absolute ridiculous; regardless if any terrorist carries out an attack; we ourselves kill more people per year with our own guns than any 9/11 type attack. So I would be more scared of 9 year old kids with guns than an once in a while terrorist action.

    So AMC please convert to Islam so that we are all safe on this site from your total church and army ramblings
  • Democrat
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    Dutch, if we take your philosophy than we would cower to the such as the Netherlands did to the Nazi's while inviting them into their land. It took a world war to get the Netherlands back to their independence. If on the chance America drops it's guard and allows other countries like Russia and terror enslaves like Isis to run through our country freely with their agenda to destroy every freedom you now enjoy, than it will be a long tome coming before anybody could come to our rescue. As for the comments falsely accusing the technological exchange from military upgrading in "NOT" having any impact to commercializing consumer products, that's just ignorance and blindly stating false statements.

    In addition to the already stated new carrier development, there are 12 new class SSBN(X) submarines planned to roll out between 2028 and through 2040. These new submarines will start replacing the current 14 Ohio class SSBN's. These new SSBN(X)'s will maintain the current 1000 warhead deterrence in the sea and around the world with each submarine having 16 Trident (5) versions and than a supply of Tomahawks or whatever replaces the Tomahawk. Also, in the submarine community are new Virginia class attack subs. They will be called the USS SSN786 Illinois, USS SSN787 Washington, USS SSN788 Colorado, USS SSN789 Indiana and the USS SSN790 South Dakota. The new attack submarines will roll out within the next 10 years replacing older versions of current attack submarines.

    I'm very glad we have sensible common sense people planning for America's defense and protection, because simply Dutch, I wouldn't trust your decisions for one second based on your critical view of the military. You are in denial of what freedoms you possess and take for granted your rights without realizing who fought and died for your life in the United States of America. You definitely are not a citizen of respecting our America.
  • Liberal
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    More like the military not respecting the citizens, i would say. Just give 'em some more flag pins, shinny medals and gold braid to wear and they will feel important and loved!
  • Other Party
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    W/20+ yrs in the aforementioned "Canoe Club"...Its probably no surprise that I favor the upgrading of our fleet...

    I believe we should 'ENLIST'...pardon me..the environmentalists and a few underemployed members of the population to render the remainder of our "Mothball fleet". The aging hulks are rotting away in waterways that are themselves drying up...Put some people to work...clean the environ...and cut a little cost for these much needed upgrades... YES ..NEEDED...the truth is, the US Navy is at sea 365 24 7 ...and with less than 300 ships Worldwide, we are already spread thin...

    I served on 10 ships...7 of them Carriers...I served on the USS Midway...it stank of cigarettes and Diesel fuel..at the time the Oldest Carrier still Afloat...

    Making her way stateside from Japan we found ourselves a few hours behind schedule for San Diego, Ca. The captain, Looking as much a temporal anomaly as the Ship herself was clad in unstarched Khaki...fowled collar and rolled long-sleeves...gave the Engineering department the order to employ whatever jury-rig...or "Torpedo Juice" they might discover to ensure we kept our appointment with San Diego port pilot...

    Knowing little of Carriers, you might think such an order was no great risk...You would know how errant that assumption is though if you'd been with us once we'd recovered the Helos ferrying A few San Francisco "Lookey-Loos"...As soon as flight ops were secured, and "All Full" was ordered..that ancient leviathan seemed to literally rise up out of the water..and even sported a bit of a "Rooster Tail"...I'd heard 28 and 30...I even heard someone say we'd gotten up to 34 knots...and to feel the vibrations from those undoubtedly warped Prop Shafts...I was hard-pressed to discount the claim...t was the only time in my Navy career that I felt fearful ...and I have lived through a good number of shipboard fires..a few even that lasted not hours...but days!

    As for the F-35, I'm a bit dubious of it's longevity...Aircraft don't seem to get to the age of 30 anymore...the Midway was nearly 50 when it became a museum...How old is your Car...your House...The place where you work?...
  • Independent
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    AmcmurryFreedom Wrote: Dutch, if we take your philosophy than we would cower to the such as the Netherlands did to the Nazi's while inviting them into their land. It took a world war to get the Netherlands back to their independence. If on the chance America drops it's guard and allows other countries like Russia and terror enslaves like Isis to run through our country freely with their agenda to destroy every freedom you now enjoy, than it will be a long tome coming before anybody could come to our rescue. As for the comments falsely accusing the technological exchange from military upgrading in "NOT" having any impact to commercializing consumer products, that's just ignorance and blindly stating false statements.

    In addition to the already stated new carrier development, there are 12 new class SSBN(X) submarines planned to roll out between 2028 and through 2040. These new submarines will start replacing the current 14 Ohio class SSBN's. These new SSBN(X)'s will maintain the current 1000 warhead deterrence in the sea and around the world with each submarine having 16 Trident (5) versions and than a supply of Tomahawks or whatever replaces the Tomahawk. Also, in the submarine community are new Virginia class attack subs. They will be called the USS SSN786 Illinois, USS SSN787 Washington, USS SSN788 Colorado, USS SSN789 Indiana and the USS SSN790 South Dakota. The new attack submarines will roll out within the next 10 years replacing older versions of current attack submarines.

    I'm very glad we have sensible common sense people planning for America's defense and protection, because simply Dutch, I wouldn't trust your decisions for one second based on your critical view of the military. You are in denial of what freedoms you possess and take for granted your rights without realizing who fought and died for your life in the United States of America. You definitely are not a citizen of respecting our America.
    Sorry; you are absolutely not a Democrat, but just a church going "warhawk"; sick all the way. All your lovely killing tools are priced triple of what they should cost, so you as a taxpayer are being screwed tor approving junk which will not give any return on investment. It will just sit and rot away, because no one dares to start WWIII, except you and your "hawk" buddies. I guess you have no idea at all how things work in this world; I feel sorry for you; but McCain may give you a plastic medal. Go join these warhawks; fake Democrat!!!!
  • Democrat
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    RETNAV_98, Good to hear from the ranks of "black shoe" presumably "shellback". Your absolutely correct that those floating behemoths of the sea don't last long in terms of funding a reactionary force of deterrence. I was on the USS CVS-66 America, when 1000 miles off Guam when the expansion plates froze allowing water to flow nonstop into the port side ballast. So, you can realize that listing over 20 degrees of a carrier with 6500 sailors and air-dales on board means to an old ship. Technological and rebuilding of ships are paramount in maintaining a ready Naval force at sea. The peace-nics and environmentalists, just don't get what it means to keeping a ready Naval force and would rather we fight our battles in canoes and rowboats. Most of those that criticize the military don't serve our nation, too afraid to volunteer for our country and hide behind their computers freely spreading their nasty about the military. I agree that war is hell and that we spend a lot of money on keeping a military to quickly respond to orders in defense and protection of American interests around the world. However, I am also keenly aware that with all that R&D, new developments and new technologies from funding a national service, is all the many spin-offs to commercial products that we see in markets of business.

    Thank you for your service and enjoy your retirement. Yes, I can remember the America steaming past 30knots and it shakes and rattles with each increasing knot. Those nuke carriers can really steam fast and leave our old ships behind. Never served on a nuke ship with exception to a submarine, but I would really enjoy running around the new USS Gerald D. Ford.............wow.